...The larger problem is that Goyer’s “Foundation” seems bored with its source material. The plot is carefully tailored to Joseph Campbell’s “The Hero’s Journey,” with many of its fantasy embellishments cribbed from better-known sagas. There are transhuman starship pilots à la “Dune.” Math plays a feeble cousin of the Force; Jared Harris’s Seldon looks like Alec Guinness’s Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Gaal, the young outworlder evading her destiny, is an updated Luke Skywalker. Everyone seems to have a special ability, and, where Asimov’s protagonists drew urgency from the brevity of their lives, Goyer’s cheat their way across the centuries with clones, cryogenic capsules, and “uploaded consciousness.” They are supersized heroes gallivanting through a diminished galaxy.
VFX/sets were 10/10 , story/dialogues 4/10 ( emperor pulled it through tho ) , only thing that kept me watching were the effects/visuals
Of course they had to have some cringe romances ( who no one cares about since they were done so bad ) and sexual scenes where they dont even show some tits
After i finished the show i read some of the changes that they did from the books to the show... gender swapping main characters cultural diversity obviously had to stop reading so i dont get involved to much as i want to enjoy the VFX for next season
At least the show got me interested in the source material
Best part was indeed the emperor storyline, that was actually pretty decent. Everything else was very meh.
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
This show is leaving the material it's based on behind and turning into a completely different show. They've "ruined" every main character and most of the main plots and replaced them with something completely different except for some places and character names.
If this had been called something else entirely and they removed "Based on Foundation by Isaac Asimov" I might've enjoyed a few of the episodes somewhat. Unfortunately there's so much in every episode that pisses me off since it's still taking place in the Foundation framework and mocks it.
It seems they're incorporating some of the source material in s2, so that's something at least. But now it's all over the place; empire hasn't crumbled and is still strong after 150 years, but at same time Foundation is sending its missionaries out, and then there's already talk about the Mule and 2nd Foundation.
At this pace, they might actually run out of source material by the end of the season.
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
given some great reviews i saw for season 2 i gave this show another chance, only saw half the pilot when first aired but didnt clicked with me. now that ive finished season 1 i can say that the show is maybe a 7 at best, there are some great scenes but mostly involves lee pace, he is really good, and the visuals, the rest kinda meh and cw moments.
i am but still not impressed so far after watching 4 episodes, feel like there is nothing new to show, ive been waiting for them to get to the endgame but instead they show how they get there, like i get it they try to show how things evolve and shit but i feel these things are pointless cuz if that math is correct then the future will happen no matter what...
I really hope they do work a lot of the book stuff in otherwise what's the point? Like why even call it Foundation if your not gonna tell the Foundation story.
Pisses me of when writers do their own thing when the source material is what made it popular in the first place.
In the first part, it starts as an allegory of the (fall of the) Roman Empire, and what happens in the hundreds of years coming after when most of society has fallen back to 'medieval times'. So first it's religion/missionaries, then followed by mercentilism, and such.
In the second part, after about 500 years, something happens no one had foreseen, when a mutant who is able to manipulate minds, threatens everything.
And the third part handles with what comes after this, and how humanity is put 'back on track'.
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
not just her. in contrast to most of the shows ive watched recently this one has great characters and actors playing them. empire, seldon, demerzel, hober mallow and so on
so the show is like the first half of the first part
Yeah, in the first season only the first episode follows the book (first chapter) and then goes completely awol.
Second season goes back to the first part, but also includes later stuff like the mutant and 2nd Foundation
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
i see, then they have so much material if they will implement but i think goyer said season 4 will end the trilogy or something, then do another 4 seasons or something, but doubt the show will run this long
pho08 wrote:
StEFaN7 wrote:
lee pace steals every scene
not just her. in contrast to most of the shows ive watched recently this one has great characters and actors playing them. empire, seldon, demerzel, hober mallow and so on
her? u mean him, brother day. apart from a few the rest are serviceable, worst one is gaal for sure. but lee is just on another level, compelling to watch u never know how will he react. demerzel and the older brother also stand out. jarred herris just plays the same role in everything.
This is NOT a show for us Asimov fans who've read the Foundation series at least once. It's incredibly annoying to watch this show. There's some serious cognitive dissonance when watching the show where characters are named the same as in the books but are completely changed, when storylines are completely manufactured or extremely bastardized and so on.
This is NOT a show for us Asimov fans who've read the Foundation series at least once. It's incredibly annoying to watch this show. There's some serious cognitive dissonance when watching the show where characters are named the same as in the books but are completely changed, when storylines are completely manufactured or extremely bastardized and so on.
While I agree on the characters and storyline changes I must say that I was overly entertained for what it was. Second season specially.
Do as I did Frant, disconnect from the books and watch it as it is, a damn fine space opera!
never read the books but the visuals and setting are pretty epic
also Anderson dawes from the expanse with a "science" twist
very good space empire lore men
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obviously had to stop reading so i dont get involved to much as i want to enjoy the VFX for next season 
I havent started on this one for some reason, but im a diehard fan of the books.
