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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2022 16:24 Post subject: ***** |
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2022 19:42 Post subject: |
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Linus argument of fine wine may be right, at least it was true for the 6900XT and the VEGA series aswell. But it is not a redeeming factor for such a bad launch. The 7900XTX should be a 7900XT at 999€ and the 7900XT should be a 7800XT at 699€. Then we would be talking. And if AMD can't get their drivers up to speed at launch, they only have themselves to blame. The customer cannot bet on driver fixes.
The 7900XT as it is now is barely 20% faster than the 6900XT with lower efficiency.
Its not complete trash, but its also not worth the price and feels like a beta product.
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2022 19:50 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | @escalibur
Everyone does that every release and says the same thing each time 
Not sure why people expect more, Every time 25-30% increase is rough average real world gain of first flagship release vs last gen flagships current performance (after driver had time to mature to current state) averaged across the board of game results.
Ive never updated from one gen to the next that gave 50%+ gains in real usable game experience despite what the maker says it does.
AMD/NVidia says '60-100%' more gain, early release testers get less, some youtubers excited about it cherry pick games that either show huge gains, or smaller gains depending on the conclusion they want to show.
Anything outside that is a pleasant surprise, not the other way around. |
I don't think that everyone expect crazy increase in performance but rather some tight or actual competition against NVIDIA's top tier models. The situation has been boring for years now, and because of that NVIDIA can troll us all day long with their pricing, silly releases and what-not.
This release is 'OK' in my opinion but sadly that wont get me excited too much as much as I would like to. I really wish AMD pulls that 'one more thing' model asap. Otherwise these cards will be just another 6000 series for those who don't value ray tracing.
Apparently GamersNexus has reported some crazy level of coil whine.
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2022 21:45 Post subject: |
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Doesnt help us much when amd put their grubby fingers on the games we look forward to. Always crap performance then
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2022 21:57 Post subject: |
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| pho08 wrote: | | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We71eXwKODw |
God damn it.
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2022 22:12 Post subject: |
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More than adequate for gaming 2022+, and fairer pricing. Remind me what awesome AAA games you need the RTX performance for worth justifying being ripped sideways.
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2022 22:21 Post subject: |
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I never use RTX, I'd prefer the frames, but there's more to consider than just performance. These new AMD cards aren't going to push nVidia's prices down anymore than their unsold stock already will. Which is typically why it's good to have competition
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2022 22:56 Post subject: |
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It's about what I expected, a decent-ish entry with RT-related limitations, some vintage Ati(tm) quirks and the elephant in the room that is the absolutely ludicrous price range of GPUs these days. A constant, sadly.
On the bright side, my backlog is still thriving with many hardware-friendly RPGs and indies which I typically enjoy more than the current year tripe-y A console stuff, so..life, uh, finds a way
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 00:15 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | | I never use RTX, I'd prefer the frames, but there's more to consider than just performance. These new AMD cards aren't going to push nVidia's prices down anymore than their unsold stock already will. Which is typically why it's good to have competition |
Seriously, RTX is just another thing I never gave a fuck about. Everyone jerking their dicks off to it like it's the next coming of christ. No thanks. Just like Tessellation. Didn't give a fuck about that either. |
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 03:05 Post subject: |
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@SpykeZ
Same. Ray Tracing will...one day...be the shit. When the entire game actually uses it for every pixel and not 90% raster with 10% stapled on RTX.
Hearing we could now do real time ray tracing in games and my excitement dropped quickly to realize what they meant was "We can now make puddles of water reflect better, and carrying a torch in a cave, that would look cooler" made me realize saying 'games done in real time ray tracing' was optimistically dishonest marketing at best.
Unless the entire scene, every pixel, is done ala cinebench style RT..the game screen you look at isnt ray traced. its raster with some secondary pass RT flags added to very carefully picked parts.
| escalibur wrote: |
I don't think that everyone expect crazy increase in performance but rather some tight or actual competition against NVIDIA's top tier models. |
But did they? Lots of wishful thinking they would. But I cannot think of anyone that actually stated they think or had a notion that it would be. Be it reviewers, or speculators, any friends I know that game, or even AMD themselves.
It was more of "I hope this time around they will" and less "I expect with reasonable certainty this time around they will be able to."
No one I know waiting for a 7x00 card (which is only 4-5 people I admit) had any notion that one of the reasons they was waiting, was because of a 4090 competitor. It was simply either it will be a cheaper competitor to options other than 4090, or specific AMD vs Nvidia features they want/need, or size restriction limitations for itx cases.
It WOULD be nice if one gen they actually was for the market competition, but I don't think anyone fooled themselves into this one surely must be it I can feel it. And got disappointed they was wrong.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 03:25 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | | specific AMD vs Nvidia features they want/need |
Fun thing about AMD vs Nvididuh here is that AMD isn't Apple. They don't lock their tech down. They open source shit, they allow their tech to be used on whatever gpu is available if the tech can handle it. Nvidia? They'll lock down anything they create.
Shit I remember when the morons bought that trash Physx crap from Ageia and we could run our main AMD cards with a Geforce card 2ndary to handle Physx. Nvidia locked that shit down in a heartbeat. AMD wouldn't have given a fuck. |
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 03:34 Post subject: |
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Sorry, phased it wrong.
The specific way some of it works vs the other. Or locked vs unlocked like you said.
For example freesync vs gsync (gsync doesnt like some freesync monitors) and they have freesync monitors.
Or the big one for two of them which isnt about locked down or not, but more how AMD vs Nvidia does the feature: Multi Spanning screens to one screen.
AMDs version doesn't care if I have 3 monitors all different and even one vertical it will go "Yep you got a large L shaped monitor now" and 99% of games would run it in in that weird shaped layout as one screen (I dont, would be useless but I could). Nvidia software fights with you to get even 3 of different sizes (2 ultrawide, one super ultra all same res height) in a straight line to work with it, if at all.
One friend has 3 the same res [3440x1440] in a row, but since they are different brands Nvidia software random decides on reboots if it will or will not play nice as a 10320x1440 screen.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 08:59 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | DXWarlock wrote: | | specific AMD vs Nvidia features they want/need |
Fun thing about AMD vs Nvididuh here is that AMD isn't Apple. They don't lock their tech down. They open source shit, they allow their tech to be used on whatever gpu is available if the tech can handle it. Nvidia? They'll lock down anything they create.
Shit I remember when the morons bought that trash Physx crap from Ageia and we could run our main AMD cards with a Geforce card 2ndary to handle Physx. Nvidia locked that shit down in a heartbeat. AMD wouldn't have given a fuck. |
The reason amd doesnt lock it down is because barelly anyone uses their cards. They can't lock anything down. Nobody would use it. Nvidia has 80% of the market. AMD are not the good guys, they're not robin hood. They're the same piece of shit scum company as everyone and they'd bend you over at the first ocassion. As they already did with cpus the very first second where they had some semblance of win there. In fact a full second didnt even manage to pass before they were fucking everyone on price.
I'd say leave the delusions that AMD is some sort of good guy to the insane cultists from r/amd, which is the worst fandom in the known universe.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 10:44 Post subject: |
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| qqq wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: | | DXWarlock wrote: | | specific AMD vs Nvidia features they want/need |
Fun thing about AMD vs Nvididuh here is that AMD isn't Apple. They don't lock their tech down. They open source shit, they allow their tech to be used on whatever gpu is available if the tech can handle it. Nvidia? They'll lock down anything they create.
Shit I remember when the morons bought that trash Physx crap from Ageia and we could run our main AMD cards with a Geforce card 2ndary to handle Physx. Nvidia locked that shit down in a heartbeat. AMD wouldn't have given a fuck. |
The reason amd doesnt lock it down is because barelly anyone uses their cards. They can't lock anything down. Nobody would use it. Nvidia has 80% of the market. AMD are not the good guys, they're not robin hood. They're the same piece of shit scum company as everyone and they'd bend you over at the first ocassion. As they already did with cpus the very first second where they had some semblance of win there. In fact a full second didnt even manage to pass before they were fucking everyone on price.
I'd say leave the delusions that AMD is some sort of good guy to the insane cultists from r/amd, which is the worst fandom in the known universe. |
This.
Good luck with locking your technologies with wathever royalties when the reality looks like this:
How many Radeon 6000 series you were able to spot? Exactly.
7000 wont make any difference if AMD keeps releasing copy-pasta 'meh' products thanks to their performance/price ratio. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend NVIDIA, all I want is tight competition on all fronts in hope that consumers would win at some point. Current situation sucks for us the consumers regardless who is leading on monopoly.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 11:55 Post subject: |
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None of that changes AMD GPUs being better for money right now.
And
That the best games being made right now and i suspect long into future, don't need this gen, last gen or even the gen before that to run well.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 14:16 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | | None of that changes AMD GPUs being better for money right now |
My pick would still be used RTX 3080 which is still under warranty. Absolutely the best price/performance ratio at the moment. Anything else is doubling the budget for barely 50% extra performance.
New top tier cards have horrible price levels at the moment, be that AMD or NVIDIA.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 14:34 Post subject: |
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AIB 7900XTX models here are 1500€+, not gonna sell well.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 16:13 Post subject: |
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Someone on reddit put it rather succinctly: "Same price as RTX4080 and equal raster, worse RT, worse software, worse power consumption in return. You literally fucked up with RDNA3 AMD"
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 16:42 Post subject: |
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| inz wrote: | | Someone on reddit put it rather succinctly: "Same price as RTX4080 and equal raster, worse RT, worse software, worse power consumption in return. You literally fucked up with RDNA3 AMD" |
Also being this bad in Unreal 5 is something we shouldn’t underestimate. At least as it stands.
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| Quote: | Sapphire NITRO+
Portal 163 published early results of NITRO+ from Sapphire. This is as far as we know the only test of this card for now. What readers may find interesting is that NITRO+ is the only custom RX 7900 card with a vapor chamber (this is what Sapphire teased as a return of Vapor-X).
Reviewer claims that this card has 9*2+2 VRM design powered by three 8-pin power connectors. In their tests it has reached a frequency of 2499 MHz during normal tests and up to 3072 MHz with overclocking. |
https://videocardz.com/newz/custom-radeon-rx-7900-graphics-cards-have-already-been-tested-in-china
If true there is much more potential in the cards, interested in how those OCs perform against the 4080.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 18:14 Post subject: |
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Aaaand they was all gone before I could even get one.
Had tabs open to amazon, newegg, and B&H at 9am (EST release time). By the time I refreshed the pages to get listings with prices and clicked one to get to the item, it was "out of stock" on all 3.
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 18:37 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | Aaaand they was all gone before I could even get one.
Had tabs open to amazon, newegg, and B&H at 9am (EST release time). By the time I refreshed the pages to get listings with prices and clicked one to get to the item, it was "out of stock" on all 3. |
i guess in the US they're a little cheaper than nvidia, but in europe the XTX is pretty much identical in price with 4080. So, same price for less and worse of absolutely everything
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| Posted: Tue, 13th Dec 2022 18:53 Post subject: |
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it's a good bit cheaper here, $999 vs $1299.
And worse in everything is subjective I suppose on some of it:
-Nvidia control panel vs AMD Adrenaline I prefer AMD. Not that that effect's what I buy as how it runs when using it matters exponentially more than what the software looks like. But if asked to pick Id favor it.
-Multi Monitors as one big res. AMD wins hands down, mentioned why in a previous post yesterday on here.
-Power draw doesn't bother me. I'm already 'idling' in my office between my server, PC, and laptop that is running 8 VM's 24/7 at 1200 watts when I am doing nothing, according to my kill-a-watt, and around 2500 when busy playing games and working. To me power draw and peak isn't a thing I care about.
-Ray tracing I myself give zero care about. I dont think I even own a game that uses it. If I do I dont care so much I didnt realize it had it to start with
Only reason I didnt get Nvidia when 4000 series launched, is I refuse to pay more than $1000 for a video card. So AMD wins this cycle for me, simply because they can manage to make a sub 4 digit priced card that is the 1st or second tier of its lineup. 4090 I would love, but they can fuck off with that $1600 price tag.
If the 4090 was $999 too, Id get it instead for sure.
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Dec 2022 12:32 Post subject: |
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these slow memory bumps from 8 to 12 to 16 gig is such a farce when u know resolutions always double in size almost ....
even budget cards should have 16 gig by default now, not 4 gig like greedy as fuck amd tried to pull off
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| Posted: Wed, 14th Dec 2022 13:54 Post subject: |
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Budget cards wont benefit in any way high vram amount, what you are smoking?.
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