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| TheZor wrote: | Verified was supposed to be for.. verifying accounts, the procedure for it was free and easily accessible for anyone to see and didn't hint at any partisanism from Twitter staff, anyone could get verified.
But lo and behold! For only some bucks a month I shall make all of you free and equal !  And there are people dumb enough to applaud that crap. You just can't make that shit up
Surely it'll be an improvement regarding those horrifying bots  Bots cannot make purchases as we all know ! Such a genius, damn. |
I wish verified meant the content of the post was fact checked and...verified. And posting false or misinformation can cause you to lose it. Not just a indicator that the person paid to say they are who they really are. Thats pointless to me.
And even IF it is a way to fix the bots. How is saying: "The way we fix the bots, is make you the users pay money." An idea anyone can applaud? The bots are YOUR problem, it shouldn't cost me money for you to fix your problem.
Imagine a game going "we know we have a bot problem, our solution is to charge you more a month so we can fix it". It would be the dumbest concept of how to approach it.
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Nov 2022 19:22 Post subject: |
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Nov 2022 19:42 Post subject: |
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So twitter losing money after you fire a lot of people, threaten to fire more, and say you want to charge $20 for a service, and tweeted as the owner of twitter a wild conspiracy theory on why a politician was shot the day after you bought it....is other peoples fault? And just coincidence that the revenue dropped after you did all that?
And lets say theses 'activist' are the cause. (I always eyebrow raise when claims of results are the fault of unnamed, vague undefinable 'THEM' groups)
Is that not them, exercising free speech? Using thier voice to let those that fund twitter know they are not pleased with the actions and they do not want to support such companies?
The very man that has supported and encouraged, on twitter, to boycott some company he disagreed with. Now says it is suppressing free speech to do that, when its HIS company?
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Nov 2022 20:17 Post subject: |
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| paxsali wrote: | | DXWarlock wrote: | |
Sounds like something Trump would say. |
This, only the SAD was left out
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Fri, 4th Nov 2022 20:36 Post subject: |
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Don't forget to throw in a "radical [something]" and "American" tossed onto the noun you want to be the good side:
Twitter has had a massive drop in revenue, due to radical activist groups pressuring the american advertisers. SAD!
Also, you say nothing changed at all. So you are claiming the only thing that changed at twitter was you came onboard and revenue dropped?
I feel that would be in business management 101 on grasping why when X person joined company yet nothing else changed that advertisers change minds, on what that cause would be (if really nothing else really changed. Which is his claim).
its like John Wayne Gacy bought American Clown University, and claiming activists have ruined thier reputation by talking parents out of hiring thier services. blaming these activists for destroying children's rights to clown parties.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Nov 2022 02:19 Post subject: |
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I reckon he's doing the right things here, the platforms been stagnating for years.. 5000 employees wtf do all these people do? Cutting workforce in half probably makes sense. Don't forget he has the inner worming of PayPal up his sleeve as a lens into twitters failings.
I'm no musk fanboy either and find him cringe.. this company needed a heavy shake up imo.
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couleur
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Nov 2022 07:18 Post subject: |
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| AmpegV4 wrote: | I reckon he's doing the right things here, the platforms been stagnating for years.. 5000 employees wtf do all these people do? Cutting workforce in half probably makes sense. Don't forget he has the inner worming of PayPal up his sleeve as a lens into twitters failings.
I'm no musk fanboy either and find him cringe.. this company needed a heavy shake up imo. |
Not gonna lie, I have no idea how a company like twitter works but I read almost the exact same comment as yours everywhere on the internet. How do you know how many people should be employed or work at twitter?
To me, throwing out all these people seemed more like a PR stunt than anything, since it happened within days. It could be good for the company, I don’t know, but the way it happened seems more like a message to the public than a real plan.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Nov 2022 07:51 Post subject: |
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5000 seems reasonable to me, ballparking and wild speculating. Instagram has 18,000. Tiktok has at least 10,000 over US and Europe alone.
So 5000 people across however many nations it hires in, some managing each nations regulations and moderation. Then you got every level of every type of hardware/network IT dept. in everyplace it has servers, so thats a sizable chunk then add in HR, PR, advertising, frontend devs, backend devs. Moderators, Customer support...
5000 people to run an entire social media platform that is worldwide is pretty decent I think. The local news and newspaper company here has around 1000 grand total company wide, and thats just for local news.
Now can they use less or not? Who knows. But Id say there is NO way Elon has stepped in, and in a weeks times picked up the inner workings of an entire type of company he has never remotely ran before and gauged the right number of people it needs in each department. Now maybe he can see if its making money/losing it. But that in no way indicates anything about how many people it takes to run it.
I'm with @couleur This feels of a dick waving "Papa Billionaire owner coming thru" metaphorically flopping his out on the table for all to see publicly that: I run this now. I can make sweeping changes at a whim...watch me! Wanna see it again?
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Nov 2022 07:52 Post subject: |
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7500+ employees, infinite amounts of managers etc supervising small teams. just not sustainable, lol.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Nov 2022 17:31 Post subject: |
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After reading on it some more, its got to be a sensationalism tactic?
Either he's trying to ruin it out of a personal vendetta, and/or attempting to stay relevant in the news and "hey everyone, watch me streamline the biggest social media you all use" so much that it might go the way of facebook and yahoo? Maybe we get lucky (or unlucky) and he just rocks the boat enough for people to look over at the display going on over there on the river, and decides to sit down and row before it tips over.
Telsa isnt making big general public news anymore, Space X isnt in the news every week anymore either. At least none of them on the daily news reporting level anymore I mean. This feels like the hyperloop/boring company/flame thrower level of: Do something so everyone looks my way, when they start looking elsewhere figure out where I need to run and stand so they see me again.
But if it fails, something else will fill the void it left, social media and 280 character quick fire opinions are so baked into our social conscious now as how we as a collective like to do things. And if something else comes along to replace it, even if not the exact same but fills that same need somehow, he cant buy them all in series as they come to replace each other. So twitter might go away as the name of this type of social media. But the social media type of outlet it created into the public mindset wont anytime soon.
And while I feel social media as a whole and the benefits it brings, is offset by the toxicity and division it creates by allowing echo chambers to grate elbows against each other loudly and publicly. We shouldnt be comfortable with the concept that one of the biggest ones needs to change a certain way, because it is not to the richest man in the world's liking.
Does it need change? It always will I think, it will never be a 'we found a permanent way it needs to be fixed' because of the cant please everyone thing, so it would be an ever evolving medium trying to fit the ever flapping flag of over arching social situations that flaps in the breeze and changes directions randomly. But change based around ones persons desire of how it should be simply because he can afford to buy it? No.
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Nov 2022 17:44 Post subject: |
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could he have shorted his own stock somehow ? tesla and twitter down massively
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| Posted: Sat, 5th Nov 2022 17:51 Post subject: |
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@PickupArtist
Maybe, he already sold/traded some of it to do the acquisition. So he liquidated some of it to do this. Now if the stock he sold, dives more than the stock he gained so he can buy back in will be a mystery, as we do not know how much and at what price he pulled out at, or what price he will come back in at will be. Or if he did leverage on his exit to gain the cash, or has a leverage on buy in. Since as far as I know there isnt transparency on his trade deals and what type they actually was. Just knowing he bought X amount or sold X amount doesnt mean much, without knowing if it was straight trade, leverage traded, or had a mature date as a 'future' (a day the 'contract' comes due, which can pay out more by it being a promise note)
BUT if we want to purely speculate: If me or you knew when he was going to exit one stock, to buy twitter, and knew what he was going to do to twitter and pretty sure what that would do to the stock prices...and knew all this ahead of time.
We could have played the market with leverage and final mature dates of that leverage and made a satisfying return on our 'gamble'.
For example, I say a month ago: on 11/5 (today, I'm American month first for some reason) Twitter stock would drop to X amount and offer to buy at that price on that day. You think it will raise to X price on 11/5 and take my wager/bet and on 11/5 we have to satisfy our contract (futures):
If I was wrong, I HAVE to buy it at the higher price you thought it would be, if I was right you have to sell it to me at the price I thought it would drop to (even if you loose money to me). Its more complicated than that, but gives a rough idea.
Now if you knew...somehow..it would drop and when, youd have a huge advantage in that future date bet.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Nov 2022 02:16 Post subject: |
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You guys talk of Elon is an amatuer that didn't build and revolutionized the online payments industry. Like every single user that visits this forum either uses or has used PayPal, Cannot say the same about Twitter. Yeah i reckon this Guy does know a thing or two about operational cost and optimal/adequate workforce of a Global reaching digital business that services millions of customers.
Honestly what has Twitter done in the past 6-7 years to remotely better the service?
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Nov 2022 03:21 Post subject: |
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but let's not ignore paypal is almost obsolete... used it a lot until 7a8 years ago but the medium is already long time ago obsolete. let's say, he knows how to cash in on the momentum... whether its a startup or a shitcoin
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@AmpegV4
I never said he didnt have the skills. I was pointing out there is no one that can buy a company sight unseen (his docs he got did not cover it all) and make decisions of dozens of departments staffing, who to keep, who to let go, who is an asset and valuable to the company across all those departments all within a week to dispatch of 5000.
So I feel it wasnt a business decision, it was a personal cause one. With him doing his "Throw money at it until its fixed' approach he does to everything to get it back on track once his personal vendetta desire has been fulfilled.
Twitter losing money != crystal ball of why, or who should be let go in a rash decision to fix it.
And he left PayPal in 2000 by being fired after less than a year of it existing (it was x.com before). Where it is now and the powerhouse it is is none of his doing. Where it was in its early staged of 2000 is partially his doing. It being the powerhouse it is now is not.
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Nov 2022 06:57 Post subject: |
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When your losing 4 million a day and you havn't introduced an innovative feature to your service in 8 years - it is time to reduce the highly paid hipster head-count.
One way you could look at this is that maybe Twitter will survive now Elon's making some actual changes. The previous board of directors were happy to lose millions of dollars everyday and had absolutely zero plan of turning it around.
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I agree.
But I think your missing the point of doing such with only 7 days of looking into who is actually needed is rash. Working on fixing it quickly, vs blindly does not mean both are reasonable actions.
Letting go of many of the very higher ups, sure I can reasonability see that being a judgement call in a week. But firing 4000 of the 7500 7 days after buying a company type you never ran before and you dont know who is the core reliable and assets employees, or which departments and who in them is causing a drag into red on productive of output vs expenditures of wage across the whole department is just reckless abandon.
I am by far not a twitter fan, or defending them for the sake of them keeping jobs. Unless I am missing a key point here, do you think him buying it then having only 7 days to assess, compartmentalize, audit and grasp how each department in a business type you never ran works and which is meat and which is fat, and group review the productivity and throughput of 7500 employees to reduce down to the best of the core 'keepables' is a doable timeline?
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sun, 6th Nov 2022 12:50 Post subject: |
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True perhaps.
And I never worked at a huge (1000+) company. But any I worked at firing blindly based on salary or random lottery always let some damn good people go.
Best example is USA Today newspaper, I didnt/dont work there. But I saw every slow train wreck step of it first hand.
Newspapers are not doing the best, and needed to make cuts to stay in the black.
So they across the table wiped out 50% of thier IT because the new CEO talked to the board members and got the idea of "Nothing is ever broken, or having issues why do we need so much IT? Its the largest chuck of our wage payments."
So he fired 50% of them, some of them was sys admin demigods as far as I could tell (I work with them for my job deploying our software on servers in thier network, some of them its like network/sys admin is in the DNA. They can fix major problems in their sleep). And some of those guys was why no one higher up thought anyone did any work in the department and got paid too much to sit around, because they did thier job and fixed things before anyone outside IT knew it was down/broke/hung/crashed/etc.
Then the last 50% scrambled to keep up short staffed, most of them the low paid 2-3 year in people, and board members started mumbling "Perhaps we fired the wrong people, seems since we let them go, the incident reports and help desk tickets went way up". Now some of the ones left was 10-20+ year veteran at that one company god like IT guys too. But they couldnt keep up anymore 1/2 staffed, and came across as looking like they fired all the good ones and kept the crap ones, and they was fired too!
For CEO to realize after rehiring new people and needing to get those new people up to speed in a live environment (that the fired guys knew like he back of their hand) It wasnt too many people doing nothing, it was just enough people doing thier job.
Not saying that is the case here too. More mentioning no CEO can make that type of call in 7 days blindly in good confidence its the best choice in a business environment type he never ran before. It MIGHT be but its a blind wild shot on waiting to find out if you got lucky and it was.
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It still might backfire on Elon or it might not. Too many times I have seen top performers leaving pissed on something and nobody being able to replace them so the management did all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify that something is no longer needed or requires twice as much manpower. Indeed might not be so obvious in smaller companies but quite common in huge companies with abundance of staff and all sorts off super senior dev ops scrum master agile coach engineer equality diversity inclusion officers
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DXWarlock
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@paxsali
I'm holding reservations on an opinion until evidence of such is present. I have no delusions he would not be against that idea, but if he does (or if it even helps) I will wait until the first signs of him doing so before commenting on his intent to, as I have no idea his actual intent of it, just the murmuring of people looking at a pile of jigsaw puzzle pieces and going: I think it is a horse, I see a brown furry patch on this piece.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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I think banning the account was really dumb, US president should live/die by their words, not be censored by Hipster org.com. Then you got your business context which is a rough 50/50 split in voters (and therefore advertisers) your alienating by taking a political stance.. really bad move.
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Alienating people who don’t accept the outcome of a democratic voting process or who think storming the capitol to disrupt the transfer of power is a good idea is not such a bad move, imo. You don’t want to associate yourself with such people and even less the chief hater. In my opinion it was a honorable move, since they usually thrive one hate clicks and controversy. Musk himself is a good example of that. All he seems to do lately is gathering hate clicks. Advertisers love attention.
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