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Frant
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Jun 2022 21:12    Post subject:
It doesn't really matter anyway since I doubt the CPU will be the main bottleneck anyway.


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Jun 2022 08:41    Post subject:
It does matter in games that profit from the cache when the GPU either is not the limit or the game is not well coded. See my KC:D and Elex2 benchmarks on the last page. But more importantly the video posted by pickup.

It also matters for min-FPS and smoothness.


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PostPosted: Wed, 8th Jun 2022 23:26    Post subject:


them gains on 1080p! i adore am4 Shocked , cant wait to get a second hand 3d cache one in a few years, i bet the 58003d might go up to 125% or more?

this is like going from a pentium 66 to 233mmx in the day Very Happy and nope, i had to swap mobo for that of my aunt her pc to mine Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 9th Jun 2022 00:06    Post subject:
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Thu, 9th Jun 2022 00:11    Post subject:
if my 40 buck asrock am4 a320 supports all them upgrades, a lot of others will to, and the kicker is there is zero performance loss between a 250 usd am4 board and a 50 usd board, the whole range ( 320-350-370 -450 ...) has same fps in games from cheap to deluxe
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2022 16:52    Post subject:
Anyone know a Hybrid Kit that works with Gainward Phoenix RTX 2080 ti cards?


shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2022 17:30    Post subject:
Ankh wrote:
Anyone know a Hybrid Kit that works with Gainward Phoenix RTX 2080 ti cards?


Kraken G12.


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Ankh




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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2022 18:13    Post subject:
escalibur wrote:
Ankh wrote:
Anyone know a Hybrid Kit that works with Gainward Phoenix RTX 2080 ti cards?


Kraken G12.


Cheers, gonna check it out right away.


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PostPosted: Wed, 6th Jul 2022 18:45    Post subject:
AMD Might Release and Add Ryzen 5 5600X3D, Ryzen 9 5900X3D (X3D) procs

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-might-release-and-add-ryzen-5-5600x3dryzen-9-5900x3d-(x3d)-procs.html


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escalibur




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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Jul 2022 08:20    Post subject:
Some AM5 motherboards by AsRock:

https://www.asrock.com/mb/#AM5


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Jul 2022 12:50    Post subject:
Ankh wrote:
Anyone know a Hybrid Kit that works with Gainward Phoenix RTX 2080 ti cards?


You could also remove the original fans and the shroud, then install 2x120mm quality fans (Arctic P12 for example), will drop temps like 10c and will be silent.
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2022 09:15    Post subject:
NVidia has dropped it's MSRP prices a LOT in the last few days. Supply/Demand has reversed. There's now an oversupply and NV + partners need to get rid of them. This is the time to buy a 30x0-card (if needed/can afford it). The prices are still way too salty for me; the "new" pricing standards for low, mid and high end cards are 2+ times as high as they were during the Geforce 9xx/10x0 days.



The prices changes hasn't really begun dropping here in Sweden yet (although I've seen a few AIB products dropping in price leading to two cards with the same specs having a 30%+ price difference).

I put a bid on a second hand ASUS ROG STRIX GeForce RTX 2060 Super (max bid set to $200 at the moment, MSRP is ~$360). It's 60-80% faster than my 1060 + it's got DLSS 1/2; I couldn't care less about raytracing.


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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2022 11:40    Post subject:
DON'T WAIT!!! ACT NOW!


Can't really expect quality content that'll help you make an informed decision by watching JayzTwoCents

Still trying to make waves with clickbait titles and thumbnails that imply he has something important to say

No, now is not the time to buy 2 year old GPUs literally 2-3 months before the new gen is releasing

Remember the nosedive of the 2080ti price when ampere was officially announced?

Expect the same for ampere cards

I actually see it as possible that it could be way, way worse given how absolutely flooded the market is with cards from this gen - mostly because of miners and scalpers, but also because of the whole Corona thing and people spending extra on their at-home hobbies

the resulting over-production of cards that either landed in the hands of scalpers or never sold at all because of the ridiculous price hikes means we have not only a ton of miners trying to sell their mining cards, regular ol people and scalpers wanting to get rid of their overpriced cards before they are worth a fraction

but also retailers sitting on massive stocks that they know they gotta get rid off before the next-gen of cards drop, I assume it's especially bad for the pricier cards, 3080ti and up

it'll be like the breaking of a dam when retailers, distributers and aibs will no longer hold on to the hopes of breaking even but truly just dump whatever they can to cut losses

and we are not there yet

I half-expect to see used 3090s for as low as 600-700

probably not much higher for brand new cards

Hell, even I sold my 3090 for $1400 and got a 3080 for $700 instead

just so it wouldn't sting as much when the real price fall arrives


Btw. for a second I thought I was in the wrong thread
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PostPosted: Wed, 13th Jul 2022 13:29    Post subject:
Frant wrote:

I put a bid on a second hand ASUS ROG STRIX GeForce RTX 2060 Super (max bid set to $200 at the moment, MSRP is ~$360). It's 60-80% faster than my 1060 + it's got DLSS 1/2; I couldn't care less about raytracing.


2060 Super FE user here. Even with the lowest tensor cores, with DLSS 2 it runs perfectly fine with RT for games like Cyberpunk for 1080p. This card surprised me a lot, worth it!
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Jul 2022 11:18    Post subject:
We've gone way off topic (posting in CPU instead of GPU).

Back on topic now!


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PostPosted: Tue, 26th Jul 2022 17:57    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Aug 2022 15:51    Post subject:
Are they going to release me mottherboards for next Intel CPUs? Or stick with z690?


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PostPosted: Tue, 16th Aug 2022 18:02    Post subject:
Z790 should launch in October.
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PostPosted: Wed, 17th Aug 2022 10:28    Post subject:

https://videocardz.com/newz/first-preorders-for-asus-x670-motherboards-now-available-in-europe-for-e510-to-e1475


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PostPosted: Thu, 18th Aug 2022 10:21    Post subject:
https://respawnfirst.com/amd-ryzen-7-7700x-pictured-installed-on-am5-motherboard/




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PostPosted: Thu, 18th Aug 2022 15:53    Post subject:
Imagine how barebones that 480 Euro mobo is
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PostPosted: Thu, 25th Aug 2022 06:11    Post subject:
Insane MoBo prices.


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PostPosted: Thu, 25th Aug 2022 15:09    Post subject:
Do you think they are gonna cost that much lol? The CPU´s and Mobos are not even released, those are just placeholder prices for the derps.
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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Aug 2022 08:46    Post subject:
AMD taking lead again, nice prices aswell.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7000-zen4-desktop-series-launch-september-27th-ryzen-9-7950x-for-699-usd

3D versions will be released later, so they can win intel again when they release new shit.
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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Aug 2022 11:50    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
AMD taking lead again, nice prices aswell.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-7000-zen4-desktop-series-launch-september-27th-ryzen-9-7950x-for-699-usd

3D versions will be released later, so they can win intel again when they release new shit.


Quite normal prices compared to Zen 3 release pricing. The problem more relies on motherboards and DDR5. I personally couldn't care less about X670 thanks to insane price levels. I really hope B650 will cost much less though the reality might be somewhere between 250 - 600€ which is just too much in my opinion.

ps. Zen 4 might not support DDR5 faster than 5200 without extra tweaking, BETA bioses and what not. For now the smartest move can be just to sit and wait for it to be polished.


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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Aug 2022 12:53    Post subject:
Easy to lead if you release first

Prices are Intel level

Though Intel might strike back by making their line up cheaper, especially the 13600k
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2022 20:13    Post subject:
Amadeus wrote:
Easy to lead if you release first

Prices are Intel level

Though Intel might strike back by making their line up cheaper, especially the 13600k


Not really, there was long time period when AMD could not match Intel in any way, now they are constantly running over them, good competition. AMD also forced intel to make more CPU cores available to consumer socket and lower prices (remember how expensive they were?), i kinda enjoy the salty tears coming out of intel fan bois these days.

Raptor Lake will be slain again instantly just with the 3D cache versions, anyway you cant go wrong with any of the modern 6/8 core CPUs Intel or AMD, they are all fast, unless you need to run your esports 240p TN panel @ 1500hz, then there is always "upgrade".

personally i think the best gaming CPU now available is 5800x3D paired with decent B550 mobo, insane performance, would not even get these new ones over it.
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2022 20:33    Post subject:
Is it good competition? Instrad of fighting over customers with low prices they're both arrogantly pricing themselves high thinking the performance will have people go to them.
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2022 21:02    Post subject:
7000 series has the same price as previous one? top end model 7950X is actually 100 bucks cheaper than previous 5950X, entry level 7600X which will run any game and screen good is 299 bucks, dont think the prices are that high, ofcourse in here those prices translates something much higher, but i have used to it already.
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PostPosted: Wed, 31st Aug 2022 21:42    Post subject:
I hope these prices mean AMD knows that Intel has something competitive in the pipeline. Some good old-fashioned competition in the CPU space, didn't think I'd see that again in this lifetime.
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