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I'm 12 and I have play some games.
I like the story, the graphics and the sound.
It's really an amazing game.
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proekaan
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Mar 2022 16:02 Post subject: |
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| CafeA_min wrote: | I'm 12 and I have play some games.
I like the story, the graphics and the sound.
It's really an amazing game. |
Well now we know who the game was tailored for.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th Mar 2022 16:15 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Mar 2022 07:24 Post subject: |
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| jai2yeux wrote: | | CafeA_min wrote: | I'm 12 and I have play some games.
I like the story, the graphics and the sound.
It's really an amazing game. |
Well now we know who the game was tailored for. |
I'm sure that adults can enjoy this game. I play it with my father and we have great fan playing together.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2022 22:04 Post subject: |
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locke89
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2022 22:37 Post subject: |
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3 patches already. Insanity.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Mar 2022 22:39 Post subject: |
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W123
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2022 00:55 Post subject: |
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Anyone put some serious hours into this? Whats the verdict? Better than the first? Same? Worse?
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2022 01:10 Post subject: |
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I read through a lot of comments on steam, to me it seems like fans of the original ELEX just doesn't like it at all, just worse in many ways.
It's not too shocking i guess.. i followed PB on YT a lot during last year. They almost never spoke about Elex 2, like they wanted to avoid it like the plague. If you're doing a new game and you've also decided to do streams, engage with fans, but you're also not creating any type of hype for the game and decide to talk about mostly other games or gaming overall ("let's talk about SCARY GAMES!" etc etc) then yeah, it's pretty telling..
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VonMisk
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2022 05:48 Post subject: |
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| W123 wrote: | | Anyone put some serious hours into this? Whats the verdict? Better than the first? Same? Worse? |
I put around 24 hours in it.
It's a downgrade in almost every aspect compared to the first Elex which wasn't a masterpiece either.
- The plot is basically a copy of the first game with minor changes.
- You should play the first one to have at least some understanding of the world but in the end it doesn't really matter because if you played the first one you will be confused wtf happened in the mean time. Why an outlaw is leader of Berserkers, what happened to Clerics, overall what happened between E1 and E2, it's never really explained.
- The factions shifted and new major powers are Berserkers who are now ex-Outlaw hippies and not technology hating mages. Albs are still Swedes with eugenics not banned, and Morkons are fallout like vault idiots. They are a major faction but mostly staying in their bunker. Clerics and Outlaws are now minor factions. There're also Claws but it's just thieves guild without skill tree connected to them although they are written like some kind of shadow puppet masters.
- Berserkers and Morkons have most quests to join the faction while Albs are having literaly one quest to join them. Lol. They run out of writing steam after these two first factions.
- Combat is laughably bad. Range combat is shit with enemies having hectic movement and some weapons having magic autoaim bullets (shotguns) and some not (rifles and bows).
Melee combat is god. You can find a shield that negates all damage. The game is trivial with it. I have abundance of healing items. While in E1 I struggled with combat (still being shitty implemented in it). Here I just waltz through enemies. Even without the shield you just roll back and attack an enemy and repeat.
- I did almost all side quest and didn't join a faction. Because of how the combat is done I don't know if magic is worth anything. My advice is put most attribute points in strength, condition and dexterity and skills in health, health regen and stamina regen. The rest of skills are almost useless and very situational.
- There is a ton of quest that will make you run through half a map to just escort someone or run from point A to B to A to B. There is a quest to escort one Morkon - Ivan from Berserk Fort to their Grotto and that fucker takes you through half the map chatting, even with a picnic half way through.
- Most of your companions are brain dead. And will just stand and watch you fight. If they are range combat companions they will shoot once in a minute. The only responsive ones were Falk who mostly melee and Caja. The rest just drool.
- There are probably a 3 patterns for enemies so almost all enemies are just reskins. Trolls, Patrons, Molochs, Giants etc. have the same pattern of attack.
- The performance in major towns is just abysmal. And sometimes the character is just unresponsive to commands. Sometimes you can cancel animations and sometimes not.
What I like:
- Exploration. I just like running through ruins but that's subjective.
- Not all quests are shit, some are decent, have an illusion of choice but probably it wouldn't matter in the end game. Just feel good that I can rat someone out or help him out.
And there is a ton of reactivity - if I did something prior to getting a quest Jax will acknowledge that or comment. There was a lot of love and effort put into that in otherwise shitty to mediocre game.
Very often after finishing a quest you will experience some aftermath, a scene of it, like people commenting about something you've done or just meeting people you did a quest that somehow affected them and seeing how it ended. That's something I rarely see in rpgs. But it's just a cherry on a cake made of shit.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2022 08:38 Post subject: |
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| VonMisk wrote: | | W123 wrote: | | Anyone put some serious hours into this? Whats the verdict? Better than the first? Same? Worse? |
I put around 24 hours in it.
It's a downgrade in almost every aspect compared to the first Elex which wasn't a masterpiece either. |
Dear God... after the 1st I said to myself that I won't play game like that again.
Thanks for the review, I will stay away from it. And I thought that 2 has to be better becouse 1st one was just so-so...
harballaz wrote:
Hey dont be so hard the little console eunuchs, they need time to aim their lil vibratin thumbstick.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2022 08:42 Post subject: |
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German game engineering at it's finest. Important to remember that every PB game gets shat on quite badly at launch. Elex was absolute shit in the start too.
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VonMisk
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2022 08:50 Post subject: |
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The game is also full of easter eggs made for 40+ year olds like Lethal Weapon posters and stuff like that.
EDIT: This game and PB as a whole feels like they are kept in a cage without access to outside world and anything they know are things from 20 years ago and have played only their own games.
sar·casm | \ ˈsär-ˌka-zəm \
1: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance designed to cut or give pain
2a: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2022 09:42 Post subject: |
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| VonMisk wrote: | | ... feels like they are kept in a cage without access to outside world and anything they know are things from 20 years ago and have played only [...] games. |
But... but... but... this is what means to be a true, hardcore gamer, innit?!  |
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2022 15:06 Post subject: |
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| VonMisk wrote: |
EDIT: This game and PB as a whole feels like they are kept in a cage without access to outside world and anything they know are things from 20 years ago and have played only their own games. |
What i think happens with them is that they've remained a small team along the years - an image from their publisher showed that the company has 33 employees - which is hilarious (Fallout 1 had a team of 30 when it shipped in 1997)
And they must've blew their load with Gothic 1 and 2; pushed most of what they wanted into those games. And then all the others they did after probably were just them trying to spin the same things into something new, but they dont seem to really have new ideas. And if you have the same handful of people, how are they gonna evolve ?
A website actually did an interview with them, for Elex 2 and pointed out how in all their games there are various aspects that are eternal, in all their games. Its just how they like their games - is their response. They like certain things and they keep shoving it in every game.
Q:All your games have the same distinctive elements, like open inventory, unique creatures specific to the locations, collecting trophies from animals and monsters, learning skills from teachers. Is this like the DNA of Piranha Bytes? Do you pay attention to implementing all those things in your games every time?
A:For sure! We make games which we want to play. This is the way we like it the most. Of course there are some new features added sometimes, like the jetpack for example, but usually most of the key features will be the same.
https://www.gamepressure.com/editorials/elex-2-is-the-biggest-game-we-ever-made-interview-with-piranha-by/zb4e2
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W123
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2022 17:39 Post subject: |
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So the sequel curse continues unabated. Thanks for the write up VonMisk.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2022 18:55 Post subject: |
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so sad... thanks for the warning though vonminsk
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2022 19:12 Post subject: |
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^ i know they're not the same people entirely, from the beggining to now. But they overlap. People who have worked since Gothic 1 until Risen. People who started at Gothic 2 until Risen 3. That started at Gothic 3 until now at Elex. You go in that company, you have everybody in 2 rooms, you're making games that follow the same design outline since Gothic 1.
They're just reusing a ton of stuff in every game. And thats how it feels to me, that they gave everything they had from a creative standpoint in Gothic 1 and 2 and then they kept making games but without a new set of ideas, because they spent it all on Gothic.
Elex 2 is really boring. You can see the outline of their specific gamedesign is there, but the world is boring, the quest are mostly boring, it really feels like they dont really know what else to put in their games anymore to feel fresh since they've done it so many times already
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2022 19:27 Post subject: |
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yeah, they trust that the fanbase will just continue to buy no matter what.
But they've started to fuck up now... i'm not gonna buy this, which, when i look at what i have purchased from them, is the first(!) game i don't buy from PB.
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VonMisk
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2022 21:12 Post subject: |
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OK. So finally got to Chapter 2 after doing most side quests in C1. Now at companions quests and main quest.
And boy there are two companion quests: Go to point A and talk (Nasty, Bully, Falk) I mean read some dialogue or kill X mobs (the rest). I think I did like 10 Crony quests where I have to kill X Skyands and listen to two lines of dialogue by the drone.
There are so many companion quest I just can't even. Five per character would be ok but not 10+ quests where I have to go with Falk and listen to two hunters bickering and Falk saying oh well. End of quest. Literaly 4 of his quests take part in Bastion were you walk 10 meters with him.
And Nasty negotiation quests were one quest being teleport to point A, initate dialogue and Jax saying "Oh not..." fade to black. End quest. And Bully's later quests where you teleport go to a person listen to a back story. Wait for him to give you next same quest (but he might bug out on me or sth because I have a quest and he doesn't start it) why coudn't it be done in one quest?
Main story quest in C2 is kill X skyands, let Caja lick black Elex. Kill some other skyands because these were bad or something.
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VonMisk
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| Posted: Fri, 25th Mar 2022 17:23 Post subject: |
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Finished it.
My recommendation: uninstall, write the space with zeros - twice.
It's clearly rushed. The plot is just convoluted mess like from scifi B-movie by Asylum with shitty cgi. It really doesn't even has a proper ending
Really skip it. Don't waste yout time. 80% of main plot quests are kill X damage sponge monsters all over the map. Nothing you do and did doesn't matter in the end. Once more it's a fucking mess.
For people who doesn't care:
 Spoiler: | The Elex is part of some anomaly being. The dark elex is part of elex and is attracted to it but really this is dropped. Because the anomaly is just coming to Magalan. Dawkins created/invented Elex from anomaly because he wanted to be immortal and Skyands are his researchers who he send to anomaly to conduct research on Elex. They mutated doing experiments, Dawkins was suppose to prepare Magalan for their return. But comet hit Magalan and did the apocalypse. So Dawkins couldn't - I don't know maybe Albs suppose to prepare it.
Dawkins is a chosen one but he experimented on Jax and now he is a chosen one too, with extraordinary will power that can withstand dark Elex. Skyands want to experiment on Dawkins or Dax to understand that because they are devolving but they developed a Changeling that can control the anomaly but he won't stop it because he want to change Magalan that they are literaly teraforming in game. Oh Jax's son can speak to machines. Oh and the Anomaly might be or not a GOD.
So you get your allies and your companions. You go to the main terraformer but it's closed but Dex can speak with the AI of terraformer and takes control but dies? in the process. You go inside and kill the Changeling.
And literaly no one gives a single fuck. The anomaly is coming and will destroy the planet because you killed the only thing that could control it. You didn't defeat the Skyand just stopped the terraforming - probably. There's an epilogue were - Morkons don't give a fuck and are planning to kill everyone, according to Clerics Berserkers are a problem now, Outlaws don't give a fuck and tell you to GTFO Mana is the problem now because new creatures spawn like hell and want that sweet orange Mana. Caja doesn't bat an eye your son died. You literaly didn't change anything  |
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2022 21:57 Post subject: |
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I finished Gothic 2 after this.
They are both amazing games.
Different setting but very similar in structure.
Yesterday I started play Risen.
Congratulation to the developers!!
I'll buy and play everything that will come from them in the future.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2022 22:25 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2022 00:04 Post subject: |
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Can't fault him. PB games has their charm, people just can't deal with it in 2022.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2022 01:57 Post subject: |
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It's still a game I enjoyed, even if it has probably the stupidest plot out of all their games until now.
Still, it's a shame to see that a mod for Gothic 2 (Chronicles of Myrtana) has more PB charm than an actual PB game.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2022 02:49 Post subject: |
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I couldn't resist and drank an extra-strong Elexian potion to gain enough resilience to finish the game. What a missed opportunity, not the ELEX 2 that Magalan deserved 
Although it certainly does replicate some of the ol' signature Piranha magic, as VonMisk wrote, its inconsistency, lazy design, inner cheapness and some absolutely baffling decisions tarnish the experience to the point that it progressively becomes an exhausting Korean grind. The first ELEX wasn't by any means perfect, but it was far more cohesive, inspired and definitely less repetitive.
The game already gets off on the wrong foot with an introductory sequence that feels like it's the work of drunk interns who had one weekend to put it together so that the proper team could continue from there, and the sensation of playing an assortment of ideas held together by post-apocalyptic duct tape never really wanes. There are some genuinely good quests in the game, as well as nice touches and surprisingly reactive behaviours from the characters - problem is, the copypasta content aggressively takes the game hostage and they eventually become ridiculous. The quests in Chapters III and IV and practically all the companion ones are so bland that they could have easily been procedurally generated.
The main story with its silly resolutions is a mess also, the exploration suffers from an overabundance of resources, the combat is cheesier than ever, the animations are nearly as embarrassing as the performance and...the list goes on. I didn't encounter any major bugs and I would be a lying Outlaw if I said that I didn't enjoy soldiering through the first half of the game with my uber shotgun + lighting mace + Morkons' blood powers, at least until everything tragically falls apart. I'd still take this Eurojank rat king over any cinematic AAA title, but the sad trombone is very strong with this one.  Still better than Risen 2 /10
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2022 03:51 Post subject: |
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Whenever this thread gets bumped i hope for some miracle patch announcement or any sign of light at the end of the tunnel... Instead i get... Shattered hopes
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Apr 2022 12:10 Post subject: |
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| pho08 wrote: | | ... some miracle patch announcement ... |
Stay strong, as it's coming, brother!
It's called Elex 3. |
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