pause the video and you will see how cheap the effects are in this.. e.g how Galadriel's dagger connects to the ice, how the texture of the sails looks and that grey'ish bridge structure looks (textue, lighting).. it's like a poorly made 3D game. the people responsible for the cheap production is laughing all the way to the bank though he overpaid them like a thousandfold or so lol
pause the video and you will see how cheap the effects are in this.. e.g how Galadriel's dagger connects to the ice, how the texture of the sails looks and that grey'ish bridge structure looks (textue, lighting).. it's like a poorly made 3D game. the people responsible for the cheap production is laughing all the way to the bank though he overpaid them like a thousandfold or so lol
I spotted quite a good write up explaining why Amazon and Netflix made shows/films tend to look worse in comparison to HBO produced media:
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I've worked on tv productions for both companies.
One of the only measurable differences is the sheer amount of existing assets. HBO is owned by Warner Bros. Warner Bros has a massive studio, so they can nix about $30,000 per studio stage per month from the budget - big shows will have multiple stages. Even if they don't shoot at WB studios, WB can trade studio space with a studio in another city to still get the discount. Theres also things like WB's famous sign shop. I had to order a massive painting print for a show I just did. It would've been $3-5k for a non-WB show. I got it for $500 and they paid the overnight shipping for it and a sample. WB has massive warehouses of set dressing and costumes - free for all their productions to comb through. Period pieces become much cheaper if you don't have to buy outfits from that time period for every scene. Amazon and Netflix have nothing. Literally no warehouses. At the end of the show we had to sell everything, or even give it away, cause they didn't have anywhere to store it. I sold $500 chairs for $20, what mattered more was just having a payment on the books cause storing it or giving it away was worse.
HBO also understands the power of their brand. They win more Emmys than any other network. This doesn't mean much for most people, but it does hold sway with top tier talent interested in the prestige. When HBO courts an A-list star they can offer a lower rate knowing that the show is more likely to get recognized come awards season - which leads to more roles and a higher asking price for that star on their next movie. (The Oscars have become a recruiting grounds for Marvel/Disney, lol.) Amazon on the other hand has to offer Rosamund Pike almost a tenth of Wheel of Time's entire budget.
The third thing is how WB divides their brand. The CW is also WB. WB can direct very specific types of products to HBO. Then they can direct their schlocky teen melodramas to The CW. Mediocre products can be Max Originals. Netflix doesn't have this luxury. Everything is altogether. So in comparing HBO to Amazon and Netflix, a more fair comparison would be HBO + The CW. Disney is actually pretty smart and already establishing Hulu as their HBO competitor - particularly the "FX on Hulu" branding as a mark of high quality.
Lastly, Netflix and Amazon are in a content rush. They are trying to produce content as fast as possible. Netflix needs to fill their library, same with Amazon. They both are at the stage where they need to have multiple original movies and tv shows coming out every week. WB has been around since the 1920's. HBOMax has a massive catalogue. Any WB movie not loaned out to another streaming service is just slapped onto HBOMax. Any tv show WB ever made - even those originally distributed on other networks like F.R.I.E.N.D.S. - has just been plopped on HBOMax. As such they came out the gate with a library bigger than Netflix. So they don't feel the need to race. Shows can take longer to prep. Longer to shoot. Longer to edit and ad VFX. This doubles down with the idea of the brand being a mark of quality. The same leniency isn't given to The CW shows. Netflix and Amazon however, can't give this to all but their top few shows.
House of Cards and Bosch, just two examples, of fantastic production values, including cinematography, direction, editing and sound mixing. So itās on a case-by-case basis.
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āThe War of the Rohirrimā is also drawing much of its creative DNA from Jacksonās six features set in Middle-earth. Philippa Boyens, who was part of the Oscar-winning screenwriting team for āThe Lord of the Ringsā and āThe Hobbitā trilogies, is executive producing the film. Phoebe Gittins, Boyensā daughter, and writing partner Arty Papageorgiou are penning the screenplay based on a script from Jeffrey Addiss and Will Matthews. And the creative team includes Richard Taylor (who won Oscars for makeup and visual effects for āThe Lord of the Ringsā), Alan Lee (who won an Oscar for art direction for āLOTRā), and Tolkien illustrator John Howe.
...there's probably a very good reason why they are coming out with info right now about this they know they have fans waiting for a good adaptation of Tolkien, fans that are disappointed and angry with Amazon.
Disclaimer - Derp guy talks gender and racial politics in this new series, avoid if you don't give a shit anymore but i know some posters here care so linked the video.
TLDR he makes the obvious rational arguments why you should stick to source material and be creative in introducing diversity, but large productions like don't make as much money without pandering to "contRoVerSiAl internet iSSues" so here we are.
...and you're wrong that they somehow would make MORE money by appealing to a relatively small group of elitists and a so called "new audience". Quite the opposite, they are probably prepared to lose money or go even. Fans, viewers and money is less and less of importance and ESG points are now highest priority for these companies, even more important than money.
Critical Drinker videos is mostly just common sense stuff that wouldn't surprise anyone, sometimes he has good insights though that you might not have thought about. Can't remember who explained the ESG stuff, probably Ethan Van Sciver (former DC, Marvel) "founder" of Comics Gate.
Wife who is die hard LOTR fan was not impressed.
Me who started watching that gay fairy shit because of her enjoyed the trailer.
Race of characters doesn't matter.
Adding new characters doesn't matter.
If it fucks up the lore of the movies then it matters.
If it fucks up the lore of the books then it matters.
All we know right now is that it looks very progressive cast wise.
We don't know how it is, if it's good, or if it's bad.
Some shows you can tell suck from the trailer. This is just anti woke mob whining without concrete proof. It's all for clicks and their target audiences. They've been wrong plenty and they know they've been wrong and hold ground on their wrong opinion not because of morals and values but because they're pussies to admit they are wrong.
Plenty of concrete proof that it's woke garbage, maybe that's why the "anti-woke mob" (as you called them) is complaining?
Race of characters matters since it becomes illogical very quickly. How are dwarves black (just one example)? you do realize they they live in almost complete darkness, in mountains? Why would they need black skin color? It fucks up the lore from the books plenty (not just that).
Since i doubt you've read the books or knows anything about either the lore or Tolkiens life (and why he wrote the books they way that he did), then maybe come back and criticize when you've done your homework?
A multi cultural cast could work extremely well with a LOTR series btw, but not how it's cast now.
Take African mythology or "fantasy" as an example, would it make sense to insert tons of whites (or asians, native americans perhaps), how would it work logically? They're just supposed to be there without explanation? Why not let culture be just that, a culture of a certain people, i don't need inclusivity in African culture or mythology, it wouldnt piss me off if it didn't have whites (and it doesn't and will never have since they're not woke / retarded).. I just want it to make sense and for it to be "genuine" for that culture or mythology, that's what makes it interesting and exotic.
Ummm no. I'm not gonna educate myself on consumables. Are you retarded?
In the trailers all you see if different races of people being cast.
You barely see any woke story telling apart from the way it looks.
You're spewing illegible trash to prove a point about fictional work.
Dwarves live in mountains they can't be black. Nope. yes they can.
Race of characters doesn't matter it only matters to purists. And that's what you are a simple purist. From what I see only purists care about this and fake purists and fake fans.
Like what's the point are you trying to make?
You have no idea how the show is going to be how it's going to look and what the story is. Your only issue is race of actors. If that's your biggest issue and it can only be since you haven't watched the show, read the scripts, were in the writers room, were involved in the productions. So you are basing your hatred of this because of black actors. Fuck off.
Ummm no. I'm not gonna educate myself on consumables. Are you retarded?
In the trailers all you see if different races of people being cast.
You barely see any woke story telling apart from the way it looks.
You're spewing illegible trash to prove a point about fictional work.
Dwarves live in mountains they can't be black. Nope. yes they can.
Race of characters doesn't matter it only matters to purists. And that's what you are a simple purist. From what I see only purists care about this and fake purists and fake fans.
Like what's the point are you trying to make?
You have no idea how the show is going to be how it's going to look and what the story is. Your only issue is race of actors. If that's your biggest issue and it can only be since you haven't watched the show, read the scripts, were in the writers room, were involved in the productions. So you are basing your hatred of this because of black actors. Fuck off.
No. Living in darkness does not give you black skin, a race that does this will instead be very white, like the dwarves are in his books. see - he uses logic, has attention to details (its a big part of his books), because it adds to immersion. Race goes into lore, lore goes into story, consistency, logic and ultimately immersion. But again, this is just one thing out of many, but since you don't know shit about this you don't understand it or see it either. I can give a long explanation about e.g Galadriel too, or why making these stories that originally spans over thousands of years into a short story of a few years is a bad idea when it comes to Tolkien.
There's no hatred "because black actors". Good try. MSM has taught you well, like always you swallow everything. It's what the actors, Amazon and shill sites like onering.net also claims because they have no arguments, they're all shills.
Claiming you don't need to respect anything because it's fictional is absolutely retarded. We judge everything from how immersive it is, games, movies, books - and it's all fantasy, all fiction. if we throw out logic (for whatever universe it is) then no one is immersed in it.
"There are certainly themes Tolkien felt were important. We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyse what was important to Tolkien and to try to honour that. In a way, were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves." - Peter Jackson, Interview with GreenCine (Dec. 2002)
This is the opposite of that, this is taking his work and pissing on it.
If you take something established, throw it out of the door, then what does it have to do with the original work? This is modern, generic "Fantasy" (it's not really Fantasy since they will try to make you very aware of modern politics/ideas and issues).
We have seen very, very little of this and already in the preview that we can read it's established; 1) "a single mother" (lol, typical modern day shit that has to be established to appeal to derps/lefties) 2) strong warrior wahmen, even though it goes against lore - she never lead wars 3) black actors where they dont make any kind of sense 4) Politics/Issue about race ("a forbidden love" between a black and white person or elf and human).
Yea lets cherry pick things that arent realistic in a fucking fantasy story with so many other things that are completely dumb and unrealistic "cuz magic"
But as soon as you put black people in it, muh immersion
jesus fuck
Next he's gonna say actors aren't allowed to be Jewish cause tolkein was an anti-Semite.
Again you're whining about skin colour. That's it. Skin colour.
Gtfo with that racist shit. What if a black human fucked an elf or a dwarf and they had mixed kids that humans wouldn't approve of so they were cast to live among the elves and dwarves? Like fuck off. I'm sorry the show isn't an ethno state. Deal with it. Don't watch it. Shut the fuck up about it. You aren't gonna turn viewers away by screeching, "there's nibbers in this show - they're pissing on tolkeins grave and his lore". Fuck you and your racist ass.
You could have picked that the main protagonist is a Whamen. That kinda maybe makes it woke. But you chose skin colour. Jesus H.
1) "a single mother" (lol, typical modern day shit that has to be established to appeal to derps/lefties) 2) strong warrior wahmen, even though it goes against lore - she never lead wars 3) black actors where they dont make any kind of sense 4) Politics/Issue about race ("a forbidden love" between a black and white person or elf and human).
Eowyn was a "strong warrior wahmen", had an important role, whats up with that?
Also there are black people in the LOTR universe.
If we cherry-pick like you. Aragorn and Arwen have two kids in Tolkiens world, whats that then to you?
Black actors are not a problem by themselves, unless they clearly go against the lore.
Weren't there some references to dark skinned characters on the southern lands or something like that? If they use that as a device for somehow introduce the blelfs and the blarfs then fair enough, but taking into account how much effort 99% of the writers have nowadays and entertainment's love for "The Message" you just know they're going to fuck it up.
Oh and anyone that dares to criticize it will be, of course, labelled a racist
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I don't like "woke" movies btw. In fact i rarely watch new hollywood productions because of that. But this vurt guy, happens to have all the attributes of a jerk, also his gibberish in other threads like the political ones, are just - his sentence "lol, typical modern day shit that has to be established to appeal to derps/lefties" says it all about his mindset.
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he overpaid them like a thousandfold or so lol
they know they have fans waiting for a good adaptation of Tolkien, fans that are disappointed and angry with Amazon.
- his sentence "lol, typical modern day shit that has to be established to appeal to derps/lefties" says it all about his mindset. 
