The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
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immylatus




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 02:03    Post subject:
skidrow wrote:
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - PC or 360:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/693/693513p1.html

none or almost no differences.


If you have a 3.0+, 2 gig ram +, and a x1900 or better...which is the rig they ran it on.

Most dont (no this isn't an invitation to start a 360vsPC argument kawks.)
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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 03:07    Post subject:
[Muad|Dib] wrote:
AnimalMother,

GASP!!! That is no good. You are right but I still feel the PC will have a better experience because its performance can be optimized. But, who really knows. One reviewer says one thing and another a different thing. This will be up to the gamers to decide which is the better version.

[Muad|Dib]


Check this, from the IGN comparison: -

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I think it's also worth considering that one negative aspect of Oblivion many people noticed was consistent across both versions. The distant grass and mountains in Oblivion are coated in surprisingly low resolution textures. When in a forest or town you don't notice this so much, but at longer distances it's much more obvious.


Looks like that low resolution complaint is valid. Sad


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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 03:10    Post subject:
immylatus wrote:
skidrow wrote:
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - PC or 360:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/693/693513p1.html

none or almost no differences.


If you have a 3.0+, 2 gig ram +, and a x1900 or better...which is the rig they ran it on.

Most dont (no this isn't an invitation to start a 360vsPC argument kawks.)


To say the 360 version is the same as or almost the same as the PC version running on a 3.0+, 2 gig ram +, and a x1900, I would say 360 owners have something really special to look forward to! Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 03:11    Post subject:
If people are unhappy about texture resolution, texture sets will be made, no biggie Smile
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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 04:33    Post subject:
Epsilon wrote:
If people are unhappy about texture resolution, texture sets will be made, no biggie Smile


I seriously doubt many users will be able to get satisfactory performance if they increase texture resolution.


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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 04:37    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
Epsilon wrote:
If people are unhappy about texture resolution, texture sets will be made, no biggie Smile


I seriously doubt many users will be able to get satisfactory performance if they increase texture resolution.


yeah.. I'd have considered my rig to be pretty close to top of the line, but I'll be making a number of sacrifices for satisfactory performance with the default textures.

maybe in a year when people have graphics cards that put the 7800 GTX, x1800XT and X1900XT to shame will we see higher res textures and other enhancement mods
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 04:42    Post subject:
u can name a billion games that come out and computers can barely run it at the time.. it happens allll the time...
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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 04:55    Post subject:
-=Cartoon=- wrote:
u can name a billion games that come out and computers can barely run it at the time.. it happens allll the time...


None that came out on a console at the same time. Razz


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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 09:01    Post subject:
Rxsazabi wrote:
Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion Collector's Edition:
Bonus Features:
Pocket Guide to the Empire - A 112 page guide to every aspect of Tamriel, including its people, provinces and much more.

Making of Oblivion Documentary - Includes a special behind-the-scenes documentary on the making of Oblivion.

Septim Gold Coin - An authentic replicated Septim, the official currency of Tamriel.

IMO not worth it


the only thing that's worth it is the guide .. witch ill get in pdf format in a doxpack or something.. who gives a crapt about the coin.. and the making of .. hmm i don't know.. i wanna play the game not waste an hour of good gameplay on videos about the game Razz
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immylatus




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 10:19    Post subject:
war3 wrote:
Rxsazabi wrote:
Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion Collector's Edition:
Bonus Features:
Pocket Guide to the Empire - A 112 page guide to every aspect of Tamriel, including its people, provinces and much more.

Making of Oblivion Documentary - Includes a special behind-the-scenes documentary on the making of Oblivion.

Septim Gold Coin - An authentic replicated Septim, the official currency of Tamriel.

IMO not worth it


the only thing that's worth it is the guide .. witch ill get in pdf format in a doxpack or something.. who gives a crapt about the coin.. and the making of .. hmm i don't know.. i wanna play the game not waste an hour of good gameplay on videos about the game Razz


Scene needs to get on ripping the septim Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

About the resolution stuff, yeah...it would take basically a supercomputer to run the resolution and poly's they do up close all the way out to the end of the clipping plane. Either that, or the clipping plane is going to have to be pulled WAY in, even on a top top end computer.

As someone said....in the years to come we'll see computer that can handle it MAYBE, but for now nothing can.

The same thing happened with morrowind, most people had to cut out quite a bit in options to get it to run optimally back in 2001 or whenever it came out, we'll just see the same thing in Oblivion...in a few years the "normal" computer will be able to handle oblivion at it's best, or beyond that.
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 10:32    Post subject:
immylatus wrote:
The same thing happened with morrowind, most people had to cut out quite a bit in options to get it to run optimally back in 2001 or whenever it came out, we'll just see the same thing in Oblivion...in a few years the "normal" computer will be able to handle oblivion at it's best, or beyond that.

Bullshit.

I installed Morrowind this week and it ran as shitty as it did 4 or so year ago. The game had number of patches and my system is like 2-3x times as fast now.

Knowing this and also reading some Oblivion previews where they get crappy performance even on highest end systems I can imagine Oblivion is also badly optimized.

Gameplay>* in this kind of games thou so no worries Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 10:42    Post subject:
morrowind ran fine with max detail on my old pc when it came out, it just stuttered before and after entering a new area...and it still does that on my new pc :/
but i can live with that heh
if oblivion runs at about the same speed morrowind ran on my old pc i'll lock myself in my room for a while Razz


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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 11:07    Post subject:
-=Cartoon=- wrote:
u can name a billion games that come out and computers can barely run it at the time.. it happens allll the time...


No sir, I cannot. It just depends if you have an average PC or a high-end one, but pretty much all the PC games in history have been running smooth on the right kind of computer.

Either way, I find it funny that the Xbox360 vs PC stuff is still going on after 10 or more pages.
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 12:12    Post subject:
Quote:
Bullshit.

I installed Morrowind this week and it ran as shitty as it did 4 or so year ago. The game had number of patches and my system is like 2-3x times as fast now.

I installed it on my 2400+. Not only did it ran perfectly on highest details possibles. But thanks to fan-made patch, I was even able to double the viewing distance.


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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 13:45    Post subject:
The definition of running "perfect" and "smooth" may vary from person to person and game to game. One person may consider 60fps "smooth", and another wont accept anything below 80. Personally 40 and over suits me fine for most games, as long as it doesnt dip much under that. Also certain games handle low framerates better than others -- IE in some games when your frames drop low your mouse starts to lag thus screwing up your aim etc. I've noticed that in some games this is worse than others; lets just hope that Oblivion is well optimized.


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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 13:48    Post subject:
avirox wrote:
The definition of running "perfect" and "smooth" may vary from person to person and game to game. One person may consider 60fps "smooth", and another wont accept anything below 80. Personally 40 and over suits me fine for most games, as long as it doesnt dip much under that. Also certain games handle low framerates better than others -- IE in some games when your frames drop low your mouse starts to lag thus screwing up your aim etc. I've noticed that in some games this is worse than others; lets just hope that Oblivion is well optimized.



Im not picky. Everything over 15 fps Is a bonus for me . Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 15:02    Post subject:
I have to agree on morrowinds crappy optimization. Mainly with its streaming routiene wich seems to take up all available cpu time, creating chop when you stream new data in (wich is like every 15 feet).

However anyone whos seen the movies knows with the right hardware, CURRENT hardware, you can run it smoothly, so it definetly looks to be way more optimised then morrowind was.
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 15:13    Post subject:
avirox wrote:
The definition of running "perfect" and "smooth" may vary from person to person and game to game. One person may consider 60fps "smooth", and another wont accept anything below 80. Personally 40 and over suits me fine for most games, as long as it doesnt dip much under that. Also certain games handle low framerates better than others -- IE in some games when your frames drop low your mouse starts to lag thus screwing up your aim etc. I've noticed that in some games this is worse than others; lets just hope that Oblivion is well optimized.


next time you meet some1 like that please tell him that the human eye cant see the diferrence after 50+ fps.
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 15:21    Post subject:
liansk wrote:


next time you meet some1 like that please tell him that the human eye cant see the diferrence after 50+ fps.

For the love of God, PLEASE do not go here. I think anyone who gets this conversation going should be banned and have their nuts stapled to a stump and pushed over backwards.
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 15:41    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
From here http://www.gamingtrend.com/trendcasts/OblivionTrendCast.mp3


Just listened to this and GOD that guys voice is annoying! He sounded like the male version of that girl from America Pie! This one time at band camp ... blah blah!

Anyway its great to listen to someone who has actually played the game and on both formats! I was surprised to hear he said the best version was actually the Xbox360. I think that might have actually swung it for me as to which to buy!

I was wondering if the game would feature the encumebrance system. I have lost count how many times 'you are overencumbered' appeared on my screen during the several hundred hours I played Morrowind!

Its gonna be a long 3 weeks, I just know it! Crying or Very sad

I wonder if the game uses any more than one of the three Xbox360 CPU cores.


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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 16:09    Post subject:
Stop talking about crappy xboxes or PC's, talk about the GAME.
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 16:26    Post subject:
I'm so looking forward to Oblivion. From what I've seen the game will absolutely own me, hopefully for a considerable time Smile


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liansk




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 16:29    Post subject:
BKarza wrote:
liansk wrote:


next time you meet some1 like that please tell him that the human eye cant see the diferrence after 50+ fps.

For the love of God, PLEASE do not go here. I think anyone who gets this conversation going should be banned and have their nuts stapled to a stump and pushed over backwards.


about 10 pages of this thread is total bs so STFU and if you dont like it go and get your nuts stapled to a stump and pushed over backwards. retard
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 16:50    Post subject:
Only 10?
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 17:06    Post subject:
headshot wrote:
AnimalMother wrote:
From here http://www.gamingtrend.com/trendcasts/OblivionTrendCast.mp3


Just listened to this and GOD that guys voice is annoying! He sounded like the male version of that girl from America Pie! This one time at band camp ... blah blah!

Anyway its great to listen to someone who has actually played the game and on both formats! I was surprised to hear he said the best version was actually the Xbox360. I think that might have actually swung it for me as to which to buy!

I was wondering if the game would feature the encumebrance system. I have lost count how many times 'you are overencumbered' appeared on my screen during the several hundred hours I played Morrowind!

Its gonna be a long 3 weeks, I just know it! Crying or Very sad

I wonder if the game uses any more than one of the three Xbox360 CPU cores.


It does use all 3. They implemented thread scheduling so physics, AI, etc. get scheduled on the 3 cores of the 360. The bonus to this for the PC owners, is that if they have a cpu with HT or especially dual core processors, the performance gains are supposedly huge Smile
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immylatus




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 17:17    Post subject:
Glottis wrote:

I installed Morrowind this week and it ran as shitty as it did 4 or so year ago. The game had number of patches and my system is like 2-3x times as fast now.

Knowing this and also reading some Oblivion previews where they get crappy performance even on highest end systems I can imagine Oblivion is also badly optimized.

Gameplay>* in this kind of games thou so no worries Smile


Well speak for yourself, I could NOT put the options + clipping plane at max when it first came out (morrowind). Now I can, and on top of that add mods that increase the clipping plane and all the textures. Yes there are a few things that still happen...like the slight studder moving into new areas, but this isn't a FPS where that really makes that big of a differance.

About framerate, who the hell needs 50+ FPS to play an RPG...games like this aren't 100% about your l33t quake twitchy skills, so it's not necessary. It's about enveloping yourself into this mystical fantasy world, and if it looks BEATUIFUL at 20 FPS rather than OK with 50 FPS, I'd take the former.
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 17:36    Post subject:
immylatus wrote:

About framerate, who the hell needs 50+ FPS to play an RPG...games like this aren't 100% about your l33t quake twitchy skills, so it's not necessary. It's about enveloping yourself into this mystical fantasy world, and if it looks BEATUIFUL at 20 FPS rather than OK with 50 FPS, I'd take the former.


True,sometimes I put everything on high and get an average of 25 fps but I love it,better than watching something at medium with 70+fps's
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 18:20    Post subject:
Think i must be the only person on this forum to not be bothered about this game in the slightest
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 18:25    Post subject:
I'm wondering how many people actually finished Morrowind and expansions and how many just waiting for Oblivion because of the hype and then gonna install it, play for 2 days and get bored just like with Morrowind
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immylatus




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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Mar 2006 18:30    Post subject:
I wonder how many more are going to buy an xbox because of hype then realized they pissed 350 bucks down the toilet, actually like 420 bucks with the cost of the game. Seventy dollars for a video game is just queer.


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