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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Nov 2021 09:32    Post subject:
Guys, lets get back on track here. If you want to "discuss" the dIvErSe versions of Windows, do it in the appropriate thread. Thanks.

I'll delete any further offtopic Wiin7 vs. Win10 posts.


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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Nov 2021 16:19    Post subject:
Ok, guys. Throw me some recommendations, cause at this point I don't know anymore.
Recently I got my hands on a "cheap" (or more like "less expensive") RTX 3070 (a brand new one, not from a crypto miner) and... now I have a problem with completing the whole rest of a PC. The CPU in particular.

Until recently I had just three candidates. An i5-10600K or i5-11600K - not a huge difference in price, but 11th gen is obviously faster. And then there's the Ryzen 5 5600X, which about a year ago would've been the obvious choice.
But now there's the i5-12600K, which is the fastest of the bunch. BUT the mobos with Socket 1700 are almost twice as expensive as for 1200/AM4 and I just don't feel like paying that much.
Plus - someone suggested a Ryzen 7 5800X, which in itself costs more, but the mobos are cheaper, so in total would cost similarly to the 12600K, but it's faster.
BUT - do I need that much of a CPU for an RTX 3070 and 1440p? I know it would leave more of a margin for the future, in case I go crazy or the prices fall drastically (or both) and I get something like a 3080Ti (or just switch to the 40 series Very Happy).

So, to sum up - HAAALP!
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couleur
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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Nov 2021 18:50    Post subject:
Honestly, just get the 5600X if you don't need the additional cores for work or the 5800X to be safe. And get the cheapest mobo you can that still functions well enough and has the features you need. OCing those CPUs is pretty much pointless. The difference at 1440p will be no more than 10% and for what price?

I'd probably get a second hand CPU and mobo even.

At least, thats what I would if I had to buy something right away and was looking for price/performance. If you don't care about money, obviously get the fastest CPU.


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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Nov 2021 20:04    Post subject:
@couleur Is spot on.
I debated over 5600 and 5800 before I got one. I got 5600x and no issues at all.
I got 5600x and 6800xt running at 3440x1440 120hz and gaming is fine, GPU caps out way before CPU in gaming, even in VR on reverb g2 CPU doesn't break a sweat.

Only place I can really say I get even a slight feeling of pondering what a 5800 would do is for work, running 4-5 VM workstation instances for our software as a testbed, but even then its perfectly fine no slowdowns or VM lag, but just pure processing power for our software. And only because I know it COULD process/rip pages/render previews faster since I have dual CPU 32 core xeon client servers to compare it to.


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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Nov 2021 21:17    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
If you don't care about money, obviously get the fastest CPU.

In that case I wouldn't have settled for a 3070, would I? Wink

So you're confirming what I've been thinking - I guess I'll go back to Team Red.
I don't do much video editing or VM-heavy workloads and code compiling and deployment I usually do on a work machine anyway. So Ryzen 5600x is it.

Just the prices of some mobos are ridiculous. I wish more stores had a "no RGB and such" filtering option... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun, 7th Nov 2021 22:55    Post subject:
Hallock said: “So in 2022, Ryzen will have a new platform. And some key ingredients are DDR5 (RAM), PCI express Gen 5, and cooler compatibility with existing socket AM4 coolers.”

https://www.pcmag.com/news/new-amd-cpu-socket-with-next-gen-ryzen-chip-coming-in-2022

amd claims 15% more perf in q1 2022 chips, am4.

rumors expect AMD to update its Ryzen chips by the end of January.

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-ryzen-oc-tool-receives-6000-series-support-ahead-of-potential-announcement-in-january/
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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Nov 2021 00:25    Post subject:
Core i9-12900K(F) on Z690 is smashing records left and right, but 8GHz OC seems far fetched

https://www.neowin.net/news/core-i9-12900kf-on-z690-is-smashing-records-left-and-right-but-8ghz-oc-seems-far-fetched/

Think I'll waste my money on this Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Nov 2021 14:07    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Nov 2021 15:22    Post subject:
Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Pro a good mobo for 12900k you guys think? Not gonna buy something super expensive crap that has nothing worthwhile over cheaper ones. This feels like a middle way
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PostPosted: Tue, 9th Nov 2021 16:03    Post subject:
It's because i've done my homework i was asking /bitchslap paxsali with a huge whale!

I'll get it then. Seems good for it's pricing, but sometimes you fall into traps so it's always good to hear other viewpoints
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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Nov 2021 14:05    Post subject:
https://www.techspot.com/news/92182-popular-coolers-have-compatibility-issues-asus-z690-b660.html

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PostPosted: Sat, 13th Nov 2021 20:28    Post subject:
Thinking about getting a 12600k since its pretty much the same price as 5600x (300bucks)

But whats wrong with the mainboards prices for alder lake? Cant find a decent mainboard under 200bucks
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PostPosted: Sat, 13th Nov 2021 22:15    Post subject:
Got a 12900k but it is exactly useless. Who do i have to blow to get a pair of DDR5 5200 sticks?
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PostPosted: Sat, 13th Nov 2021 22:29    Post subject:
DDR5 is just not worth it right now. You should get a mobo with DDR4 and be done with it.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Nov 2021 02:26    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
Got a 12900k but it is exactly useless. Who do i have to blow to get a pair of DDR5 5200 sticks?


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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Nov 2021 13:45    Post subject:
Nodrim wrote:
DDR5 is just not worth it right now. You should get a mobo with DDR4 and be done with it.


Feels quite counter productive
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Nov 2021 14:16    Post subject:
If you want to pay double the amount of a mobo+ddr4 kit then go for ddr5, i would probably just wait a few months, or if you got the money, just go for it, YOLO.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Nov 2021 17:40    Post subject:
amd refresh cpus coming out in february will beat these intel ones anyway
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Nov 2021 20:00    Post subject:
zen3 with the extra cache? I though they were gonna hit sooner?


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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Nov 2021 21:54    Post subject:
Stormwolf wrote:
Nodrim wrote:
DDR5 is just not worth it right now. You should get a mobo with DDR4 and be done with it.


Feels quite counter productive


Why? It's not like you get much performance out of it. You are paying a lot for very little.
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PostPosted: Sun, 14th Nov 2021 22:13    Post subject:
Nodrim wrote:
You are paying a lot for very little.


You just summed up the e-peen game.
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Nov 2021 17:21    Post subject:


Guessing most of us do a clean install but still odd that it happens on intel -> amd but not on amd -> intel Confused


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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Nov 2021 17:52    Post subject:
Nodrim wrote:
Stormwolf wrote:
Nodrim wrote:
DDR5 is just not worth it right now. You should get a mobo with DDR4 and be done with it.


Feels quite counter productive


Why? It's not like you get much performance out of it. You are paying a lot for very little.


One can argue you dont get a lot from the cpu also, but a little here and a little there makes a big difference in the end, this is quite logical.
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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Nov 2021 18:39    Post subject:
But the little here and there doesn't really happen with DDR5. The memory wins some and loses some. I doubt that will change with bios updates. This first iteration is extremely underwhelming.
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