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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Sep 2021 04:42    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
Well, you're an asshole anyway so your post is just another exposé of your personality. Rolling Eyes


Of course, but did I call you any names? Smile Lead by example boy, your names in 'red', and I'm right though eh? Wink
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Frant
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Sep 2021 06:34    Post subject:
You've made yourself exempt from that since nothing we've said over the years have changed anything. And you did call me "boy" which is just another way of being condescending. I'll call you a twat, a nitwit, a willywonka and so on whenever I feel like it. If you don't like it you know where the door is. Wink


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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Sep 2021 06:43    Post subject:
lol, a 'boy' should be a 'compliment' at your age? Wink, certainly much better than 'asshole' etc?, oh, and I can take whatever you guys wanna call me lol?, as I've been in a lot worse places Wink, and called things like 'nice', 'friendly', etc, fuck that! Shocked Laughing

Frant wrote:
If you don't like it you know where the door is. Wink


I'd go, but I know you love me, and I like making your posts seem 'sensible', for once Wink Smile

Remember 'boy'?, I've forgotten more than you will ever know, and my name is not in 'red' either?, what an achievement. Power, without 'power' Wink Smile
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couleur
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Sep 2021 17:02    Post subject:
I'm buying/selling stuff over a german forum sometimes and if I had a card to sell, I'd just put MSRP plus shipping as Min price and let people bid. From what I see, it usually ends up like 50% between msrp and scalper prices, sometimes more, sometimes less. Unless I know someone in my proximity that really needs a card, I'd do it like that.


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DXWarlock
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Sep 2021 20:15    Post subject:
scaramonga wrote:
Like, for one minute, if you had 1 or 2 of these cards, (with one to keep for yourself) you wouldn't cash in? UTTER BULLSHIT!! Laughing Laughing Laughing

Nope. I got a 6800xt from my friend I got mine from, and sold it to another friend at his store price my friend charged me. I didn't make a dime. His 970 broke lives in my town and needed an upgrade anyway and I can get 6800xt/3070 from my friend with the PC store if I need them..So I helped out.
Never have considered getting my friend to send me one now and then at his price and scalping them...That's just a dick move.

I dont need to fuck over strangers in need for profit. Not all of us are a selfish, self indulgent, self serving assho... boy.

Like I said in this thread, only reason I sold my 1080ti is someone offered ME the $400 for it. Otherwise it would still be collecting dust (my 1080 my son used I gave away to a friend of his when he got the 3060).


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zellar




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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Sep 2021 21:45    Post subject:
Okay this has me completely stumped. Maybe someone here has had this happen?
Last week my MSI GTX 1070 Gaming card went to black screen? It is about 6 years old. Although RBG on the card was still working and the fans still spin. I took the card apart cleaned it and added new thermal paste.
It worked again for about an hour. It then went to black screen again. I did a bit of research and some info said to try another plug as the HDMI plug may be faulty. So I moved the cable to the DVI port. The card worked again. For about 10 minutes and it went to black screen. Today I read some info on an MSI Bios update so I thought I would give that a try? I inserted the card again and the HDMI port was working again? I quickly updated the BIOS using the BIOS update package from MSI and the card has been working fine since I posted this at 3:46PM Sept 21/2021.
I now have my fingers crossed it stays working? Any input from anyone would be great.
Thank you

P.S. When I couldn't get the 1070 working I put a 1650 in and it worked fine. So it was not the monitor

Oct 12 2021 Last week the graphics card GTX 1070 died again. Artifacts and black screen. I took one last stab at fixing it. I bought a heat gun for $20 and blasted the GPU for about 10 minutes following a few tutorial videos. IT'S ALIVE again!! I have been using it now for 2 weeks and it is working fine!! I also bought a brand new RTX 2060 OC for $625 CAD. Well over priced but a better deal then any store here in Canada if you can even get one!!


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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2021 00:02    Post subject:
Can be also your monitor.
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escalibur




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PostPosted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2021 12:18    Post subject:
Quote:
Let's make a summary.
3090S 10752 24GB G6X
3080S 8960 12GB G6X
3070S 5888 8G G6X
3060S 5632 12G G6



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escalibur




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PostPosted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2021 13:55    Post subject:



RTX 3060 Ti for 479,90€ still feels like a damn steal compared to the situation we are in.


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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2021 14:22    Post subject:
its what they want u to feel, when reality is they are fucking u so hard it cracked ur skull

lets see how this china real estate crash will affect crypto scam when all the asians start dumping their coins to pay of debths
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highfe




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PostPosted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2021 17:37    Post subject:
we did order alot of notebooks months ago and still we don't know when they being shipped to us. today we got a part of the monitors and dockingstations, but the whole hardware situation is a joke. Crying or Very sad
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pho08




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PostPosted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2021 19:16    Post subject:
and i had hopes for a new christtmas GPU.... how naive Sad
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ixigia
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PostPosted: Wed, 22nd Sep 2021 23:03    Post subject:
pho08 wrote:
and i had hopes for a new christtmas GPU.... how naive Sad

The patient bears are getting defeated on all fronts this year, dammit. We shall prevail though..eventually..maybe

Took a brief look at the prices here and the 3070ti for instance costs about 1100€, it actually is 15% more expensive now than it was one month ago.
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Thu, 23rd Sep 2021 00:51    Post subject:
the real victims are those whose cards died this and last year out of warranty, i would have been fuming if it wasnt for onboard gfx making a major leap and saving the day

,

look at those framerates just out of nowhere doubling when he switches to dual channel at the 5:30m mark , cant wait for the ddr5 igpu vega one, then we might see full hd high on onboard Laughing

once amd goes all in on igpu when intel forces them to make some more upgrades, we in for a nice igpu ride, heck maybe even just the increased sales of igpu cpus might give them that motivation to go balls deep in ddr5 land


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Frant
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PostPosted: Thu, 23rd Sep 2021 00:57    Post subject:
Last I heard the silicon fabs and by extension NV/AMD wouldn't get back to normal until mid-late 2023. :/


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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Thu, 23rd Sep 2021 04:55    Post subject:
That is correct Smile ATM, although 'reality' dictates, much longer than that Wink
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friketje




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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Sep 2021 15:17    Post subject:
Fuck that GPU shortage.
My GPU is having issues, a 2 year old 2070 super with random crashes stopping monitor output, but it crashes very infrequently so it's passable but anoying. Past generation GPU, so normally i wouldn't mind it at all as a reason for an upgrade.
But these prices are insane, these GPU's are allready one year old and it's like paying for a proffesional GPU.

So a 3090 would cost me 2600 euro's for an okish 100% performance increase, but in perspective, my total rig pre shortage was 1500 euro's.
A 3080 TI would cost me 1500 euro's
A 3070 would set me back 1000 euro's. But this is a shit upgrade for my current gpu that has cost me 500 euro's or something.
And a 3060 well don't even bother.

Also, i fear prices will not return to normal. Nvidia is more then happy keep prices this way and since they have discovered they can get away with it while keeping supply low.
Don't believe me? Car manufacturers have allready made that descision.

https://www.motor1.com/news/532591/mercedes-bmw-keep-prices-high/

AMD is not a real option imho, you need the most popular GPU or suffer issues with games not liking your GPU.


This kills pc gaming. No kid is ever gonna pay up that kind of money for a gaming rig.
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zTurbo




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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Sep 2021 18:39    Post subject:
it's true, i believe they are killing pc gaming with these absurd prices, and steam is aiming towards more expensive stuff since the steamdeck costs more than the basic xbox which is $300 and more powerful than a pc at the same price range which doesn't fucking exist.
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friketje




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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Sep 2021 22:19    Post subject:
This is so weird.
A used 2070 super would cost me 650 euro's. I paid 550 for a new one 2 years ago.

Pc gaming is dead. Fuck Nvidia.
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0wen




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2021 02:05    Post subject:
Nvidia will keep the prices high and just recommend using Geforce Now paid service if you cannot get a good enough video card. It would not surprise me if they rebrand the service or offer some variation of it as a virtual video card so you would pay $200+ and not even own an actual video card.
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Frant
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2021 02:28    Post subject:
Meanwhile I'm still happy with my rock solid, rock stable and perfectly capable overclocked 1060 6GB that works like a charm for basically every game I've played, currently play and most likely plenty of games in the next couple of years. The same goes for my 6-core i5-8400... I still haven't found it being a bottleneck in need of replacement. The system I have now is the first one since 1995 that made me realize that I was caught in a rat race where the need to upgrade felt extremely important.

Now I'm like: "what a doofus I was.. and now I see so many people going nuts paying super-inflated prices for the next model" as if it would be a catastrophe if they fell behind that scheme. I realized that the tech sites, PR, game sites etc. all do the dirty work for the hardware manufacturers to keep people addicted, to make people feel they "absolutely need" the latest hardware they can afford (or sell their kidney to get it). Nowadays I see two scenarios where it makes sense to replace old hardware with new:

1. A main component (CPU, GPU, RAM, Motherboard, Monitor etc.) breaks

2. Your system is sluggish even when using Notepad, you can't get good frame rates in a game you like even after dropping the settings to low-medium.

There's a third scenario:

3. You have more money than you know what to do with. Even then it will still be difficult to get what you want if it's a GPU since you're going to have to go with whatever brand the scalper got his hands on which could mean a quite lackluster hardware solution with overheat issues or the GPU being at the bottom of the binning barrel.


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2021 07:10    Post subject:
The prices are bad, but in here, they are still a lot better than they were around March-June.

Hell, I can get now 6800 XT around the price I got my current 3070 ti...

Is there is some stability in the prices?


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Frant
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2021 07:28    Post subject:


Laughing Laughing Laughing

Nvidia be like...

Troll Dad


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friketje




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2021 08:51    Post subject:
JackQ wrote:
The prices are bad, but in here, they are still a lot better than they were around March-June.

Hell, I can get now 6800 XT around the price I got my current 3070 ti...

Is there is some stability in the prices?


https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/19/22632047/nvidia-gpu-supply-rtx-30-series-constraints-2022

Shortage is to be expected to go well into 2022. And don't be surprised it will go to 2023

My bet is that things will be fine after a crypto crash, this will lower GPU demand. Hard to tell when that is gonna happen.
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Stormwolf




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2021 15:12    Post subject:
Soon everyone will gauge people for all they're worth making every kind of purchase a big investment cause someone somewhere will buy it for that ridiculous sum.. And then humanity will collapse in on itself du to greed and the following poverty.


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Danyutz




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2021 19:09    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
Meanwhile I'm still happy with my rock solid, rock stable and perfectly capable overclocked 1060 6GB that works like a charm for basically every game I've played, currently play and most likely plenty of games in the next couple of years. The same goes for my 6-core i5-8400... I still haven't found it being a bottleneck in need of replacement. The system I have now is the first one since 1995 that made me realize that I was caught in a rat race where the need to upgrade felt extremely important.

Now I'm like: "what a doofus I was.. and now I see so many people going nuts paying super-inflated prices for the next model" as if it would be a catastrophe if they fell behind that scheme. I realized that the tech sites, PR, game sites etc. all do the dirty work for the hardware manufacturers to keep people addicted, to make people feel they "absolutely need" the latest hardware they can afford (or sell their kidney to get it). Nowadays I see two scenarios where it makes sense to replace old hardware with new:

1. A main component (CPU, GPU, RAM, Motherboard, Monitor etc.) breaks

2. Your system is sluggish even when using Notepad, you can't get good frame rates in a game you like even after dropping the settings to low-medium.

There's a third scenario:

3. You have more money than you know what to do with. Even then it will still be difficult to get what you want if it's a GPU since you're going to have to go with whatever brand the scalper got his hands on which could mean a quite lackluster hardware solution with overheat issues or the GPU being at the bottom of the binning barrel.


Well put sir, i like your thinking.
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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Sep 2021 22:53    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
Meanwhile I'm still happy with my rock solid, rock stable and perfectly capable overclocked 1060 6GB that works like a charm for basically every game I've played, currently play and most likely plenty of games in the next couple of years. The same goes for my 6-core i5-8400... I still haven't found it being a bottleneck in need of replacement. The system I have now is the first one since 1995 that made me realize that I was caught in a rat race where the need to upgrade felt extremely important.

Now I'm like: "what a doofus I was.. and now I see so many people going nuts paying super-inflated prices for the next model" as if it would be a catastrophe if they fell behind that scheme. I realized that the tech sites, PR, game sites etc. all do the dirty work for the hardware manufacturers to keep people addicted, to make people feel they "absolutely need" the latest hardware they can afford (or sell their kidney to get it). Nowadays I see two scenarios where it makes sense to replace old hardware with new:

1. A main component (CPU, GPU, RAM, Motherboard, Monitor etc.) breaks

2. Your system is sluggish even when using Notepad, you can't get good frame rates in a game you like even after dropping the settings to low-medium.

There's a third scenario:

3. You have more money than you know what to do with. Even then it will still be difficult to get what you want if it's a GPU since you're going to have to go with whatever brand the scalper got his hands on which could mean a quite lackluster hardware solution with overheat issues or the GPU being at the bottom of the binning barrel.


You forgot that there is no good games anymore, not to mention developers doest give a fuck about about high end hardware.
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Lukxxx




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PostPosted: Mon, 27th Sep 2021 11:18    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
Meanwhile I'm still happy with my rock solid, rock stable and perfectly capable overclocked 1060 6GB that works like a charm for basically every game I've played, currently play and most likely plenty of games in the next couple of years. The same goes for my 6-core i5-8400... I still haven't found it being a bottleneck in need of replacement. The system I have now is the first one since 1995 that made me realize that I was caught in a rat race where the need to upgrade felt extremely important.

Now I'm like: "what a doofus I was.. and now I see so many people going nuts paying super-inflated prices for the next model" as if it would be a catastrophe if they fell behind that scheme. I realized that the tech sites, PR, game sites etc. all do the dirty work for the hardware manufacturers to keep people addicted, to make people feel they "absolutely need" the latest hardware they can afford (or sell their kidney to get it). Nowadays I see two scenarios where it makes sense to replace old hardware with new:

1. A main component (CPU, GPU, RAM, Motherboard, Monitor etc.) breaks

2. Your system is sluggish even when using Notepad, you can't get good frame rates in a game you like even after dropping the settings to low-medium.

There's a third scenario:

3. You have more money than you know what to do with. Even then it will still be difficult to get what you want if it's a GPU since you're going to have to go with whatever brand the scalper got his hands on which could mean a quite lackluster hardware solution with overheat issues or the GPU being at the bottom of the binning barrel.


Yep still usable in 1080p. A year ago I was still rocking 4670k. It was slowing me down in both games and my work so while I switched to 5900X, if not for work I would probably go with something like 10400/11400.

As for GPU I was rocking GTX 970 since 2014, just to switch to 2070 super in 2019, but I already done switch to 3440x1440 and 970 just didn't have the juice for that. Now I am not sure if this will last me another 5years to 2024, but I can now easily skip Ampere and wait for Lovelace or RDNA 3 to late 2022 or early 2023.
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Frant
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PostPosted: Mon, 27th Sep 2021 12:05    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
Frant wrote:
Meanwhile I'm still happy with my rock solid, rock stable and perfectly capable overclocked 1060 6GB that works like a charm for basically every game I've played, currently play and most likely plenty of games in the next couple of years. The same goes for my 6-core i5-8400... I still haven't found it being a bottleneck in need of replacement. The system I have now is the first one since 1995 that made me realize that I was caught in a rat race where the need to upgrade felt extremely important.

Now I'm like: "what a doofus I was.. and now I see so many people going nuts paying super-inflated prices for the next model" as if it would be a catastrophe if they fell behind that scheme. I realized that the tech sites, PR, game sites etc. all do the dirty work for the hardware manufacturers to keep people addicted, to make people feel they "absolutely need" the latest hardware they can afford (or sell their kidney to get it). Nowadays I see two scenarios where it makes sense to replace old hardware with new:

1. A main component (CPU, GPU, RAM, Motherboard, Monitor etc.) breaks

2. Your system is sluggish even when using Notepad, you can't get good frame rates in a game you like even after dropping the settings to low-medium.

There's a third scenario:

3. You have more money than you know what to do with. Even then it will still be difficult to get what you want if it's a GPU since you're going to have to go with whatever brand the scalper got his hands on which could mean a quite lackluster hardware solution with overheat issues or the GPU being at the bottom of the binning barrel.


You forgot that there is no good games anymore, not to mention developers doesn't give a fuck about about high end hardware.


I tend to play games from 2019 and earlier (currently playing Scrapland, Psychonauts 2 and Forza Horizon 4, all of them running smooth as butter @ 60FPS with ultra settings where applicable except for lowering settings in FH4 that has a noticeable performance impact while being pretty much unnoticeable, specifically the settings for night shadows (I mean, who the hell even notices night shadows when driving @ 280KM/h against other competitors?).

Sometimes I check out a new game but so far I still haven't come across one that is so demanding that I can't run it @ 60fps with high settings. Scrapland (DX8 game) is so old (2004) yet still looks pretty damn good for it's age. With a good SMAA filter, Directionally Localized Anti Aliasing Plus and some other filters for adding shader-based grain on textures to make them look better since most of them are very low-res. it's looking better than Terminator: Resistance from 2019. Laughing


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pho08




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PostPosted: Mon, 27th Sep 2021 13:08    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
Meanwhile I'm still happy with my rock solid, rock stable and perfectly capable overclocked 1060 6GB that works like a charm


i hope you knocked on wood at least twice after writing that.... Laughing
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