Guys, played wow and got to lvl 50, it levels really fast, i think they fucked up a little with levels, i got to lvl 50 in a maybe 4 or 5 days. What to do after lvl 50, shadolands is 25 euros but it's only 10 levels that you can pump in a few hours, generally what to do after lvl 50 or 60, there are quests out there but without leveling it's not so interesting, now playing wow clasic tbc lvl 20 with really slow leveling, if we could get mechanics from tbc and graphics from wow, that will be great. And can somone explain what means classic + or i hear blizzard mention fresh start. Thx.
Guys, played wow and got to lvl 50, it levels really fast, i think they fucked up a little with levels, i got to lvl 50 in a maybe 4 or 5 days. What to do after lvl 50, shadolands is 25 euros but it's only 10 levels that you can pump in a few hours, generally what to do after lvl 50 or 60, there are quests out there but without leveling it's not so interesting
After your 4-5 days tutorial (leveling). You do raids on repeat, to get gear you do not need other than to do raids on repeat faster, so you can get more gear you do not need, to do raids even faster still on repeat...duh
Not knocking it, seems lot of people love it.
But I could not find anything to do in it after a week of playing other than (which all of them boil down to 'fight stuff'):
-Go out and do raids.
-Stand in town near AH watching other people go raid.
-Or go do PvP with people that stacked gear from raiding 100's of hours playing the mmo version of 'loot crate shuffle' hoping what they need drops and their /roll is good, if not do the raid again...and again..and again.
Maybe it's just me..(probably) but WoW's options after a week of leveling to 60 just really boils down to: Subscription based, 3rd person MOBA with a massive world to idle in waiting for the next round (be it against AI or people..same-same).
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(Getting off topic now, but that statement was so far off base I have to reply).
There was many many that was more than 'queue to kill stuff' around. WoW started this trend where endgame context is linear, created by them for you to consume, and one focus.
For example SWG(pre-NGE) I could:
-Build a physical shop wherever I wanted on any planet, start making stock for it and population the shelves. and learning what sells best where on what planets and moving as the players moved and selling what sold quick.
-Work out my path to Jedi, playing classes with stats I wanted and picked where I put them tweaking the character for each situation based on what worked best for me down to individual stat points.
-Start an entire city and slowly grow it to useful things, not just to me but anyone that passed by.
-Go out surveying and find mining spots and sell based on hard to reach areas or low supply to earn bigger profits having my friend go find listed prices while I emptied the miners.
-Spend time joining others buffing players before fights in cantinas earning XP doing so.
-Offer escort and transpiration to new(er) players across maps in landspeeder vs walking to get to player city X they was looking for safely (or sometimes to get to anyplace quickly for anyone).
Or neocron it was PvP focused..I never killed anyone once.
I spent 2 years after capping level:
-Working out how I wanted to balance my skill points between being an Engineer/researcher/Implanter so I can capp all 3 Sacrificing most all fighting power to the ability to earn income to pay people to escort me to wastelands to get my part 10 parts from mobs.
-Spend time crafting rare weapons that got my name tagged on them, with slots to build up a stock to sell to get my name out there.
-Go to plaza 1 and offer my research/crafting skills and building up a reputation as a reliable and honest tradeskiller people would ask for and/or wait for to login as they know I will not steal their items or 'swap' a slotted build I got with their parts for a non-slotted (slots was random), and tipped very well for it.
-Earn income following the outpost wars chat and stationing myself at gen reps to offer overpriced 'on site' implanting for implants that fell out during the outpost takeovers by clans.
-Build a rep as someone that could hack warbots for loot and honest on what he found in them, and get paid to follow a man killing them and split loot 50/50.
-Offer to do services of output hacking with friend for others while I disabled the turrets so they could take it over (for a handsome fee of course).
I could list a dozen more MMO's where the endgame was more than the only two options of: "Do you want to kill the same AI over and over on the same maps. or the same players on the same maps?"
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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(Getting off topic now, but that statement was so far off base I have to reply).
There was many many that was more than 'queue to kill stuff' around. WoW started this trend.
For example SWG(pre-NGE) I could:
-Build a physical shop wherever I wanted on any planet, start making stock for it and population the shelves. and learning what sells best where on what planets and moving as the players moved and selling what sold quick.
-Work out my path to Jedi, playing classes with stats I wanted and picked where I put them tweaking the character for each situation based on what worked best for me down to individual stat points.
-Start an entire city and slowly grow it to useful things, not just to me but anyone that passed by.
-Go out surveying and find mining spots and sell based on hard to reach areas or low supply to earn bigger profits having my friend go find listed prices while I emptied the miners.
-Spend time joining others buffing players before fights in cantinas earning XP doing so.
-Offer escort and transpiration to new(er) players across maps in landspeeder vs walking to get to player city X they was looking for safely (or sometimes to get to anyplace quickly for anyone).
Or neocron it was PvP focused..I never killed anyone once.
I spent 2 years after capping level:
-Working out how I wanted to balance my skill points between being an Engineer/researcher/Implanter so I can capp all 3 Sacrificing most all fighting power to the ability to earn income to pay people to escort me to wastelands to get my part 10 parts from mobs.
-Spend time crafting rare weapons that got my name tagged on them, with slots to build up a stock to sell to get my name out there.
-Go to plaza 1 and offer my research/crafting skills and building up a reputation as a reliable and honest tradeskiller people would ask for and/or wait for to login as they know I will not steal their items or 'swap' a slotted build I got with their parts for a non-slotted (slots was random), and tipped very well for it.
-Earn income following the outpost wars chat and stationing myself at gen reps to offer overpriced 'on site' implanting for implants that fell out during the outpost takeovers by clans.
-Build a rep as someone that could hack warbots for loot and honest on what he found in them, and get paid to follow a man killing them and split loot 50/50.
-Offer to do services of output hacking with friend for others while I disabled the turrets so they could take it over (for a handsome fee of course).
I could list a dozen more MMO's where the endgame was more than the only two options of: "Do you want to kill the same AI over and over on the same maps. or the same players on the same maps?"
Wouldnt there be a problem with a million people putting up shop around the same places?
Yes. But everyone playing a Mercantile? (trade classes in those MMO's was actual majority play time consuming work both collecting and making..and not everyones cup of tea) And even if every merchant did in the same place..problem then is location choice by that merchant.
That's like saying for EvE "Isn't a problem everyone if everyone wants to sells in Jita?"
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
Well i wasn't talking about what you've done in the past, but your willingness to do stuff like that today.
Your willingness, or others?
Shiiiiit give me an MMO like that again I would play it nonstop. Think you underestimate how much 'hobby/free time' some still dedicate to gaming compared to your changes in habit.
Me and my friends that IS our hobby/free time. Get off work? Game (well or game during work, I spent 6 hours of my 8 hour day of work playing rimworld today). Ate dinner, watched a show with wife before she went to bed, and back in here on PC gaming.
Saturday or sunday when we are awake? We are gaming, or planning what to play together. Play until we are too sleepy to stay up and go to bed.
Right now in the last 2 weeks I have:
A big Cities Skylines city I am building.
About 50 hours into a rimworld game.
3/4 of the way done with helping a friend that got Snowrunner on steam do all the maps.
Playing SCUM with son and his friends.
An active Blood Bowl 2 elimination tourney with friends.
And racing my friend that has a mind blowing racing sim setup in PCars 2 every other day a few races.
Almost 47 years old, and my two hobbies to enjoy 'me' time is still only gaming, and tinkering in the garage/workshop building stuff with wood.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
Well i wasn't talking about what you've done in the past, but your willingness to do stuff like that today.
Your willingness, or others?
Shiiiiit give me an MMO like that again I would play it nonstop. Think you underestimate how much 'hobby/free time' some still dedicate to gaming compared to your changes in habit.
Me and my friends that IS our hobby/free time. Get off work? Game (well or game during work, I spent 6 hours of my 8 hour day of work playing rimworld today). Ate dinner, watched a show with wife before she went to bed, and back in here on PC gaming.
Saturday or sunday when we are awake? We are gaming, or planning what to play together. Play until we are too sleepy to stay up and go to bed.
Right now in the last 2 weeks I have:
A big Cities Skylines city I am building.
About 50 hours into a rimworld game.
3/4 of the way done with helping a friend that got Snowrunner on steam do all the maps.
Playing SCUM with son and his friends.
An active Blood Bowl 2 elimination tourney with friends.
And racing my friend that has a mind blowing racing sim setup in PCars 2 every other day a few races.
Almost 47 years old, and my two hobbies to enjoy 'me' time is still only gaming, and tinkering in the garage/workshop building stuff with wood.
You got enough people to actually play Blood Bowl 2?
I wanna play it so bad but the people I used to play the original LE with don't wanna buy it for some reason. You think there would be room for one more in the future if I were to buy it?
@Stige (Last off topic Mods..I promise!)
Sure, I can ask, not sure when we will wander around back to it when this trip of that game ends.
But more than welcome to join if we start it back up
We tend to wander from game to game as a "Hey we haven't played this is a while..wanna play it?" strikes us. Like I think the next thing is some more WreckFest and group SnowRunner soon. A few weeks ago we was leap frogging between Stellaris, Civ 5, and tropico all at the same time (Whichever game we felt like continuing that day).
There is only 4 of us playing round robin elimination (first guy out goes back in when one drops) while the 'out' teams watch the discord stream the others game. Long as you can deal with me, and 3 20 somethings (me and my son and 2 of his/our friends). With weird senses of dark humor and one that like to squeeze in as many 'ligma' and 'deez' jokes as he can.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
They're going to double down on woke stuff so don't expect too much from here on after all thats been going on. And me and woke stuff goes as nicely together as water and oil so it'll be interesting to see how little appealing the next expansion will be.
i think the camels back is finally broken, even the simps on wow reddit have lost hope now and tearing it a new one
its so obvious this zone was supposed to be a 9.2 gap filler like they did in bfa, and now they put the 9.3 lore into it cause they cut 9.3 and it looks and sounds ridicoulous.
at least 8.2 didnt feel rushed, this one feels rushed out of the gate, those promo vids are so bad roflol , they got shit
It's kind of understandable. It takes a while to develop stuff and the walls have been crashing down around them and naturally it's best to be done and start fresh. I just hope when they do start fresh they do it properly with no bullshit. KEEP FUCKING REAL WORLD POLITICS THE FUCK OUT OF THE GAME! is this so damn difficult these days? No politics, no problems. Politics will always alienate some group here and there and create more controversy.
Don't have queers and faggots running around in some middle age setting like it's completely normal, don't have female empowerment be some giant ass thing to make entire arcs out of just to see how badass and stronk and independent this woman is, just have strong females and don't make anything spectacular out of it, don't make every damn leader female, don't have the one or two male leaders either goofs, secretly or openly evil ripe to be replaced by a more capable woman in he ranks. Many small points which adds up to a woke mess of shit for those who have short term memory over 1 hour and can also add 1+1 and can see the underlying messages of the content you play beneath the surface.
Thing is... people are SO disappointed with Blizzard, that ANYTHING they release, even if it's good or excellent*, will be considered as a piece of crap / or will be massively (over)critiqued, simply because of all the anger and frustration that has been piling up in the past years.
Personally i think the surface level content has always been entertaining. Those points i listed do aggravate me while playing, but the gameplay is fun and the stories CAN be interesting. Shadowlands naturally failed the story part as the stories were kind of all just leading up to the covenants (which is of course 80% pointless as you choose 1 of those covenants), but now i havent played since a few months after release so i don't know whats changed.
1. The gameplay loop is so... tired and tiring aka... it's so old, man.
2. Community is toxic af.
3. Everything you 'work' for will be obsolete in a few months.
4. The subscription model is terribly unfriendly for almost everyone, no matter the budget.
5. The economy is FUBAR, with a handfull of groups / people controlling most of the market.
6. The game has lost it's charm, it's soul, it's dedication to create with passion and love.
7. Money for Activision is the main objective here, not the fun of the players.
Most of those points are things you cant get away from with a mmo. Would you be happy with using your endgame vanilla gear still? I'm sure you'd crave upgrades if so. Take elder scrolls online as a n example. Fucking boring leveling and gear system to be perfectly honest. You reach 160 and that's it while content still keeps coming. Star wars the old republic is the same.
Community, i mean what can you do? Maybe if they were stricter in the beginning, but it's too late now. People will leave in protest if they can't cuss out people for no reason anymore at this point.
Game has lost a lot of charm i agree. It's just getting through new stuff with absolutely no "wow" factor anymore. Now i haven't played 8.1 or 8.15 or whatever so maybe there is some "wow" factor there somewhere? But i doubt it.
Community is just great and the pleasure of playing the game for various reasons (different builds / professions / achievements / hearts / exploration / story + living world stories / METAS / fractals / world and dynamic events / crafting etc.) dissipates really slow.
Now, not saying it's a superior game, you see. It's a DIFFERENT game that "shows" you much more... respect. It respects your time and involvement in the game.
Personally i think the surface level content has always been entertaining. Those points i listed do aggravate me while playing, but the gameplay is fun and the stories CAN be interesting. Shadowlands naturally failed the story part as the stories were kind of all just leading up to the covenants (which is of course 80% pointless as you choose 1 of those covenants), but now i havent played since a few months after release so i don't know whats changed.
The #1 thing in WoW for me atleast is the gameplay, the smoothness, the fluidity, game just works. Biggest dealbreaker in any game is dogshit performance or janky game mechanics, WoW doesn't have any of those problems.
And on top of that it has the best PVP out of any MMO out there too, and very competitive too where it's easy to see who is who with all the ratings and stuff.
I couldn't care less for stories or any of that, or PVE for that matter, heck I got my own pocket russian to do the tedious grinds for me (whopping 3$/hour and he does anything), I can really only do them on one character, everything else is just way too much.
Yeah it might not be perfect in any way but it's still the best there is to offer right now for someone hungering for competitive arena PVP, and the fast paced meta is especially to my liking, it really makes playing a healer feel like you are actually doing things to win.
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, and then i saw all the boosties n bots 
