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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jun 2021 05:23 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 9th Jun 2021 21:25 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) is a compatibility layer for running Linux binary executables (in ELF format) natively on Windows 10 and Windows Server 2019.
In May 2019, WSL 2 was announced, introducing important changes such as a real Linux kernel, through a subset of Hyper-V features. Since June 2019, WSL 2 is available to Windows 10 customers through the Windows Insider program, including the Home edition. |
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jun 2021 02:31 Post subject: |
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Exactly, like...
Wine (originally an acronym for "Wine Is Not an Emulator") is a compatibility layer capable of running Windows applications on several POSIX-compliant operating systems, such as Linux, macOS, & BSD. Instead of simulating internal Windows logic like a virtual machine or emulator, Wine translates Windows API calls into POSIX calls on-the-fly, eliminating the performance and memory penalties of other methods and allowing you to cleanly integrate Windows applications into your desktop.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jun 2021 03:30 Post subject: |
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It's a little bit more complicated than that though. WSL 2 is running a real Linux kernel which means it's not "just a compatibility layer", it's running native Linux code in the WSL 2 subsystem.
I'd say it's a kind of hybrid solution for using Linux solutions in Windows . It doesn't turn Windows into a Linux OS, it just opens up the possibility of being able to run Linux software on a real kernel/running a Linux VM with a real Linux kernel via Hyper-V which should make the Linux software run faster and function just as it would on a Linux distro.
I haven't looked at the specifics about WSL 2 so I may lack/misunderstand some of the details.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jun 2021 04:06 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jun 2021 07:15 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jun 2021 17:29 Post subject: |
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I have to admit I haven't looked at Linux since around ~2014-2015 so my knowledge sure isn't up to date beyond reading some small tidbits about it here and there. So yeah, I may have an outdated view on Linux.
As for the GPU drivers being part of the kernel, have they evolved into fully fleshed drivers with same/similar features and the same level of performance as the Windows versions?
It's good to hear that they're standardizing core components of the OS above kernel level since that's where compatibility issues arise. That's one of the most important aspects of an OS that come in many different flavors and variants. For the average gamer/desktop user that isn't technically minded and want to recompile kernels etc. it must become a seamless experience with maximum compatibility between different distros.
I may create a VM with a Linux distro just to see how it's evolved since way back when.. I just need to explore which distro to go for.
EDIT: I just found this link and the author lays out many reasons why Linux in 2021 still isn't ready to replace Windows for the average PC user (X System was indeed mentioned in detail):
https://itvision.altervista.org/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html
There's still a long way to go if that massive list of issues is even close to being correct. Linux seems to fill the same role it has done since the first distros were released: it's mainly aimed at specific user cases and isn't appropriate for the average PC user as a replacement for Windows. Reading about still having to edit cryptic config files (for the average PC user) to get various drivers, hardware or software to work for you is a bit discouraging to say the least. And yeah, X system must go, that much is clear from reading the X system section.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Jun 2021 23:28 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: |
What Microsoft excels at is general consistency |
 yeah, at churning out utter shit since Windows 8 (although Vista & ME are included in that shit)
10 is going nowhere now, which is why they will announce Windows 11/12 on 24th of this month, no point in beating a dead horse, as it was dead long before it got out the gates.
Lets hope for a nice trimmed base OS (on which the 'user' can build on, not MS) with no bullshit attached, no mobile/tablet nonsense, no telemetry horse dung, no store (that thing has never gotten off the ground, even today), no forced updates, no insider shit, no fancy shitty tiles, no bloatware forced on the user, nothing at all thank you. No DCH, forced to go to store, for drivers I can get myself on my laptops, no installing whatever drivers you 'may' think I need on any system MS, regardless of what I have already installed. No forcing user to use 'modern standby' on laptops, so you can run my battery dry, and use my connection when you feel like it MS. No advertisements within the OS whatsoever. No forcing users to use your shitty MS account, when all they want is a local one. No forcing users on to your pathetic Edge browser by any means, aka news and shit in taskbar  Let Onedrive die also, it's crap, and I'll use my own cloud storage, without the OS being riddled with that trash, thank you very much.
I could go on and fuckin on......but most of all, not having to circumvent all of the above after a fresh install, would be just great, for once 
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2021 00:49 Post subject: |
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LOL! Again, believing 'stats' you are fed Of course they want you to see them, all nice and shiny and all, but know what? It's bullshit! Of course people are using BloatO10, as nothing else remains up to date, security wise, driver wise, etc., after all, its been out for years, and unless you wish to run old software?, then it's gonna be leading the pack, but certainly not because its popular So stick your 'percentages' back where the sun don't shine Oooohh there are 3 million BloatO10 users on Steam, compared to 1 million Windows 7 users, it must be really good   It's a rotten heap of stinking turd, that most only put up with, because there is fuck-all else ATM, and well you know it
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2021 00:53 Post subject: |
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The truth always hurts
| Frant wrote: | Man, you are relentlessly obstinate and repetitive beyond belief not to mention the biggest hypocrite...  |
And this is the reason why things never change. People too willing to accept shit, and take the utter nonsense that is dished out to them, whether right or wrong?, with no questions asked, as how dare we say otherwise. Windows 10 was/is a fuckin disaster, and MS used every trick, and sneaky tactic in its power, to remove the one thing about owning a PC/Laptop/XBone, which was, the users right to have what they want on any of they said devices, without interference from the people who designed the OS for them all. If you can actually sit there and tell me that Windows 10 was a success, when you openly admit that Vista and ME were no better?, well I really do despair now lol?
There is a reason why there are so many software products out there today (some paid, some free) all dedicating their purpose to stopping this Win10 nonsense So many forum boards swarmed with 'how to' remove this shit and that shit, how to stop this shit and that etc. Yeah it's popular, just not in the way you think Most of those 'percentages', are most likely, from systems ripped apart at the seams, to get a decent working OS, that most can live with on a day to day basis, else, you would need a 96 core CPU, 128Gb RAM, and a 1000Mb connection alone for it untouched, not to mention the numerous GPU problems with gaming, of which 3/4 are Win10's fault, the rest drivers. Hardware-Accelerated GPU Scheduling anyone?? lol, don't get me started on that!
Oh, another thing...
Scrap 'cumulative updates' MS, , and go back to the system checking for updates (if I choose to turn it on) Win7 style, then let me 'pick' and/or 'hide' what I wish to update, this time, with no 'sneaky' hidden extras', each labelled for what it is before I do so.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2021 07:25 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2021 09:38 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Don't even get me started on application configurations, service management, certificate management, dns services, wsus vs rpm management, apache/nginx vs IIS, user management or just about anything you do in Windows vs linux in complexity and difficulty. |
I'll agree to disagree with you there but I only have experience with the Windows side of those services and tools so I can't really compare the experience. I have no trouble finding my way to the things you mentioned. Yeah, Windows 10 implemented a very annoying and dumbed down way to reach various settings in a random way that isn't even close to being intuitive (which is why many of us know how to quickly get to the stuff we need by either starting the consoles directly from the command prompt or creating shortcuts etc.... still annoying though). It doesn't matter though since barely anything there is of interest to the average Windows user who play games, watch youtube, use (anti)social media etc. and don't have specific education for working with Servers etc. so my point and experience is moot, as is yours.
As for the experience of installing and using Linux as an everyday desktop OS, I don't have any updated experience with that. Anyway, you didn't react to the link I posted earlier about the problems with Linux that the author of that article listed.
I do get the feeling that you're of the "Linux rebel" type, enjoy using the *NIX flavored command line system and digging deep into config files, setting flags and so on to customize every option for your purposes. You like the hands-on approach as opposed to being separated from the guts of the system by a big and in your point of view bloated operating system. You come across a bit biased, carrying that "M$ sux" attitude and viewing Windows through that anti-M$ filter which makes it look worse than it really is.
I'm fine with that, esp. since I don't dislike Linux, I just don't have any reason to use Linux instead of Windows. I wouldn't be able to do a lot of the things I do in Windows since the developers of certain types of software/hardware doesn't support Linux.. Pro Tools is one example. Lacking good equivalent options/capabilities for various user cases is a big problem, whether it's low latency multi-channel audio recording with a DAW or playing games that are only available and working in Windows...
At least we have a choice to use one or the other (or both) for whatever needs we have. As I said, I haven't even glanced at a Linux distro in 6+ years so I'm definitely not up to date.
Do you have any recommendations on any particular distro I could check out to test the waters?
ps. what I'd REALLY want to run (one can only dream) is a modern 64-bit x86-64 AmigaOS that can run everything Windows, Mac and Linux can run. I loved AmigaOS and 2-3 years ago I replaced the kickstarts and OS installations on my Amigas (using custom burned eeproms for the kickstart roms with new patches and other goodies). They recently released a new classic Amiga OS version (3.2). A computer platform whose company died in 1994 is still going strong.. unfortunately the prices for both old and newly made hardware for classic Amiga's (they've been expanded to hell and beyond over the years) are just as ridiculously expensive as the current gen graphics cards are.
Amiga Forever!!!
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jun 2021 17:56 Post subject: |
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Got a jumpscare. While doing stuff the PC screen darkened it's brightness some just to show me a blue box telling me that important updates were going to happen, that i should just accept the message or restart now.
I double checked that i had a .bat file that disables WUpdates completely (If ya try to check for WUpdates it'd just give an error or something) to be turned off and it was still turned off
I've restarted but no updates were happening, i'm still on 1909.
Did M$ managed to override this up?...It only started a few minutes ago and obviously i don't wanna go 2004 or whatever it is now
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jun 2021 18:14 Post subject: |
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They never stop finding ways to annoy the fuck out of you while you're busy telling YOUR machine to do what YOU want. You have to keep reapplying any custom hammers to the head so it's knocked out again. I just stopped trying and when I have time and not as lazy I will do a fresh install of enterprise edition and smack it with debloater and anything that will keep it down. My install of pro version is already gunked and fucked up beyond belief all due to shitty updates that force themselves when I'm not looking. AND STOP FUCKING WITH MY DRIVERS HOLY FUCK
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jun 2021 18:21 Post subject: |
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Yeah, as i've mentioned before, if i went to 2004 whatevr, my Avermedia Extremcap U3 would have a horrible behaviour (Distorted sound, etc..) and they wanna shove me a new cap device down the throat for it to "work correctly"
And here i have a TV recording device that's +10 years old and still alive and kicking on the 2004 update ..So why fuck up my avermedia?! (Yep, i used that Micron app to "roll back" on stable 1909)
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jun 2021 00:10 Post subject: |
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| FireMaster wrote: | | They never stop finding ways to annoy the fuck out of you while you're busy telling YOUR machine to do what YOU want. You have to keep reapplying any custom hammers to the head so it's knocked out again. I just stopped trying and when I have time and not as lazy I will do a fresh install of enterprise edition and smack it with debloater and anything that will keep it down. My install of pro version is already gunked and fucked up beyond belief all due to shitty updates that force themselves when I'm not looking. AND STOP FUCKING WITH MY DRIVERS HOLY FUCK |
Yup, MS at their best! Shoving utter shit down your throat, when you really don't want/or need utter shit. One update is all it takes to really fuck up an entire system, and hand control right back to MS.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jun 2021 19:30 Post subject: |
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Got another message today like yesterday saying "We'll reboot ya PC at 19:45, but you can tell us to wait an hour or reboot now"
So i restarted and no updates were installed, still on 1909
Guess M$ managed to filter in some messages but nothing related about DLin updates
Sorry, M$. If you did your shit right i'd kindly do it, but NOPE.
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| Posted: Thu, 17th Jun 2021 20:51 Post subject: |
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Welp, they finally did it. Without noticing (i was away) the PC rebooted itself and started installing 20H2 19042.630
The same "Half screen blackened out" issue when pressing Win+S is still there. I did the remove defender with Wintweak (or whatever) again just in case it got reinstalled
Offered WUpdates KB5003637 and accumulative KB5004476 won't install , not even with WAU Manager
The "game performance" updates that caused trouble weren't installed so that's a tiny time saving.. Though i don't know if it has been combined with another update etc. Anybody knows?
Now i gotta find the "driver fix" for my Avermedia cap device so i don't end up getting a new one, then welp, try some games to see if shit happens
EDIT: Fixed! Self reminder link just in case... https://www.reddit.com/r/AverMedia/comments/i0ospy/avermedia_extremecap_u3_w10_may_update_breaks/
There's one thing i wanna know. 2 days ago i made another Macrium Reflect's Image Copy of my 1909 version just in case. Is there any definitive way that would really disable WUpdates and any other possible method M$ would do to install the frigging 20H2 update?
EDIT: So there's a newer version, 21H1, and went and installed it from W10 itself. It asked for a format within it so sure, go ahead... However the format leads to deleting the local account and forcing you to use an MSN/Outlook one
Back to the old image, but tomorrow i'll format to 21H1, make a proper local account, update it all first, then kill Windows Defender (Is there a FASTER way to kill it than using Wintweak and the whole registry process?.. For any version, including 21H1)
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| Posted: Sat, 19th Jun 2021 18:02 Post subject: |
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seriously , get of my computer already, run a disk cleanup and it says 4 gigs can be cleaned up from windowsupdate stuff, after it takes half an hour to clean up .... I HAVE FOUR HUNDRED MEGG LESS SPACE THEN BEFORE I STARTED THE CLEAN UP
WHAAAAATT DAAAA FUCKKKK IS THISSSSS SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Jun 2021 02:56 Post subject: |
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Scaramonga is right guys. Just updated someone s laptop to 21h1, this update is broken beyond belief!! You disable this shitty news interest thing and the whole install goes apeshit .... Lmfao! Fucking installed twice to run in same shit. I gave back the laptop, won't touch win10 machines anymore. Prefer my mental health!!
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they embraced and extended, they now try to enter the linux extinguishing phase 
) of experience and ease of use. They also have a standardized OS platform with a ton of requirements from drivers, certified software etc.... and none of that "recompiling the kernel" stuff or "finding a compatible package" etc. that has been a part of the Linux landscape since it was first released.
