I can't commit to watching it right now, but everything I checked here and there in the film I liked.
Just having it side by side with the theatrical and checking the same scenes you can tell what a trash fire the theatrical is. Just the color timing alone which was forcibly changed in the theatrical to be BRIGHT and COLORFUL to scream WE R NOT DARK ANYMORE PLS WATCH OUR FILMS! So much more natural in the new cut! And the audio.. there's no comparison. The theatrical ranges from a score that is just there.. to a combined score and sound mix designed to provided a more casual, more comedic, touch (WE R FUN, PLS WATCH US!!!) while in the new cut it is a proper dramatic score.
And that's just by checking the scenes that are largely the same between the two. Imagine all the restored scenes.. and the removal of the godawful reshoots.
But I did like Whedon's more comedic cutting of the Superman-tracks-Flash-in-slomo moment (you know which one). Snyder's version is long and slow and meant to be terrifying. But Whedon's shorter cut to Flash's derpy face just cracks me up. I'll give that to Whedon. Everything else I've sampled so far, nope!
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
watched it yesterday but too many thoughts, great movie no doubt about it, with so much stuff in it. it did not felt like a movie, it felt more like i watched 4ep back to back of a miniseries as most of the scenes are longer than in your usual movie.
its amazing how correct color grading can improve the scene, some of the shots of zack in josstice league looked off and you would says those were reshots so i surprised seeing them here. cinematography is great, movie looks so good, the score immensely improved the scenes vs josstice league, while great its not bvs levels.
the movie, while same plot as josstice league, has many world expanding things. the theatrical basically removed all of these and made it a dead end where this expands the world so much and leads to more things.
characters were great, flash cyborg and ww were excelent, a hopefull batman is great but i liked the more angry bvs one more. superman surprisingly was very little, aquaman still not that interesting to me but was much improved in this. even fucking steppenwolf was great.
i still enjoyed the movie very much but i didnt liked it as much as i wanted, the movie is more like mos than bvs, i prefer bvs more grounded world and dark tone. the tone in this is more light, remember after bvs reception snyder rewrote the script to make it more light and add humour, the storyboards that were released do feel like it had a more dark tone, but the future they chosen do seem like its heading that way.
im glad snyder got the chance to release this and hope the snyderverse gets restored
the movie, while same plot as josstice league, has many world expanding things. the theatrical basically removed all of these and made it a dead end where this expands the world so much and leads to more things.
i still enjoyed the movie very much but i didnt liked it as much as i wanted, the movie is more like mos than bvs, i prefer bvs more grounded world and dark tone. the tone in this is more light, remember after bvs reception snyder rewrote the script to make it more light and add humour, the storyboards that were released do feel like it had a more dark tone, but the future they chosen do seem like its heading that way.
We cool now?
I found sometime over the past 3 days to watch it in bits. I agree with the positive sentiments.
And while it does have some of snyders... faults in story telling I find this movie better than watchmen. He did go deep with his usual imagery shit, but made it accessible. Its flatter than his previous work, and raw on its surface. It has charm. And character. Whedon did cut out a lot and rushed the plot points while snyder let them breathe and come naturally. Its not as good as dawn, but it is damn near close. If he continues this way, then Snyder will finally grow.
Restore or not. I hope the flash movie uses this flash as he is and not change him one bit. Wonder woman should follow this route of heroism. And a cyborg movie would be dope.
And yeah whedon is a damn racist lol. He could have cut out a lot but had he kept the cyborg and steppenwolf story line, his version might have been better received. Focus entirely on cyborg storyline, cut out all other action scenes and just include the final battle in its full glory.
Studio just wanted a 2 hour movie. Audience already knew superman and batman and wonder woman pretty much. So cut out majority of their shit, their action moments, and focus on the new characters and their storylines, ditch the history lesson. Not sure why he had to rewrite so much and add in mcu humor. Should have just condensed what was already there without adding on. And yeah without the big pieces of batman, wonder woman, and trimmed some slow mo fat he could have had a 2 hour movie that wouldn't be embarassing. But it doesn't really need it. Whilst endgame felt long, to me this 4 hour movie did not.
A solid 8.5 on a snyder scale/cbm scale.
A 7.5 on a basic movie scale.
A 10/10 for its importance on the industry.
Greedy Studio mandates push fans away, established directors know what their fans want and if they're respectful to the material, audience will have the studios back. Just like they have Disney's back on their capeshit. And disney does sometimes steer away knowing their audience will stick around even if it misses a mark or two.
but i already said this way back that i knew it will have the same/mostly plot
WaldoJ wrote:
not as good as dawn, but it is damn near close. If he continues this way, then Snyder will finally grow.
i think because of the changes after bvs reception is what made this movie more mass appeal, added humour etc. what is it with people that every cbm need to have humour. still has some dark elements but its not the movie he was gonna shoot originally. but this rewrite is done from him and terrio and not johns or wheddon.
watch this, i guess the stuff they didnt shot snyder just reused some mos footage to plant the ideea, why tf did cavil not come back to do additional scenes, every other actor did.
WaldoJ wrote:
I hope the flash movie uses this flash as he is and not change him one bit.
yeah now i am really looking forward to the flash movie if its this version.
WaldoJ wrote:
Whilst endgame felt long, to me this 4 hour movie did not.
yeah pretty much. either way this version of snyders at 2h i just dont see it, even for a big teamup movie 2h is not enough. its like snyder said, every sequel should have like 20min more runtime than the previous. so if theatrical would be like 2:45-3h and maybe another ultimate ed at 3:30 would have been enough.
The movie doesn't feel that long. If we hadn't started watching on a weekday, we would have sat through it in one go. When we finally pauzed it, it was already at the 3 hour mark
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
I liked it as well, but it still feels like a mishmash of things.
7.5/10
Yeah it did feel like going from vignette to vignette at times. Like a non stop advert collage with movie bits in between. Like those "top commercials of xxxx" TV shows they'd put out by year end. Maybe thats why it doesn't feel long cause it doesn't strain.
The movie really matured compared to the theatrical version. I enjoyed it alot more but so many slomos and so many “epic” moments that as often with snyder movies I start feeling numb to them.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
The last scene with Martian Manhunter, originally, I had shot it in England. And the dialogue was very similar, but it was supposed to be one of the Lanterns.
And then the studio had told me I wasn't allowed to shoot anything. That there would be no film made of any kind. During production, that was a thing they insisted on. And I shot stuff anyway, of course, in my yard. And one of the things I shot was the Green Lantern scene. And then they asked me, when they saw the movie and saw that I put it in there, they'd take it out. And I said that I would quit if they tried to take it out. And I felt bad. The truth is I didn't want the fans to not have a movie, just based on that one stand that I was going to take.
And the Green Lantern was John Stewart. And that was part of it too. I was like, I don't want to take a person of color out of this movie. I'm not going to do it. And, but then, but I felt like having Harry Lennix's Martian Manhunter at the end was, that was okay.
Is there any thought behind the Darkseid character besides "bad guy wants to kill/enslave everyone"?
Yeah, it was a shame that th character and even that whole flashback weren't fleshed out more. I'd trade some of the "stylistic" slo-mo music pieces of character x moving slowly for a whole part that dealt with that flashback
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
I've only seen half of it so far (it's great) and don't know if Darkseid is featured a little more on the second half, but I would imagine that his motivations would be kept for a sequel where he would be the big bad, since this is not Darkseid's film.
The same way Thanos's motivations and backstory weren't explored until he was the big bad of the final two films.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
snyder managed to make this work with 1 movie where marvel did it with 20. he made you care for each hero without needing solo movies. if you watch just avengers you wouldnt care about any of them.
just goes to show you how stupid the comments where that you need to go the marvel route and make solo movies first....
How does this movie alone make you care for the characters? That makes no sense. If the solo movies weren't made the characters would just be some random group gathered by batman. Look at how Cyborg is introduced, it was shit.
My question about Darkseid was about the comics. Anyone who has read the comics care to shortly explain what he's about?
each hero has its big solo moments enough to care for them, and also enough info into backstory. avengers rely on standalone origin movies to get info on the characters
Nodrim wrote:
You are exaggerating, again. It's not even the same thing and he needed 4 hours, so it wasn't exactly one movie either.
you are hating, again. its exactly the same thing. 1 movie is 1 movie dosent matter what runtime it has. titanic is 3h30, is that not 1 movie?
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