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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Sat, 27th Feb 2021 09:57    Post subject:
CaptnNemo wrote:
Best I could get as of now...




very nice speeds!
something is wrong with your L3 cache Confused it's almost 2 times slower than mine in latency, is that a 3950x ?
I also saw the new BIOS and flashed to it
share Zen Timings please?

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CaptnNemo




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Feb 2021 01:45    Post subject:
@ StrEagle

Yeah I am still testing everything. I tried to flash to the newest beta bios and installation froze at 50% and stayed there for 20 minutes. Had to reboot.

What is weird now is that it shows the new version in the bios but sometimes it will freeze the bios and I have to reset the cmos on the board.

I tried to reflash the previous version with the usb in the flash bios port in the back and that has not work either.

Now I dont know if I can just flash it normally over the newer version or should I wait for a newer bios version to come out.

I can still use the PC no issues once I have my settings setup ok but I cant go back into the bios as it will freeze again.

Any solution ot should I wait for a newer version ?

Using the 5950x

Thanks


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0wen




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Feb 2021 09:55    Post subject:
Looking for motherboards and ram has gotten so much harder then the last time I had to with my i5-4670k. The ram seems to be the most confusing part with all the different speeds as someone mentioned I should try to get 3600 CL14 but that seems really hard to find and super expensive (maybe scalper pricing). Also if I want 32 gigs ram is it better to go with 2x16 or 4x8 with the Ryzen 5900x.

Below is what I am thinking I will go with so let me know if anyone has any opinions especially with the ram as it would be appreciated.

ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) $220
Noctua NH-D15 chromax.Black, Dual-Tower CPU Cooler (140mm, Black) $100

For the ram I was thinking between these

G.Skill 32GB DDR4 PC4-28800 3600MHz Ripjaws V for Intel CL16 (16-19-19-39) Dual Channel kit (2x16GB) Black $185
https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-PC4-28800-3600MHz-Ripjaws-16-19-19-39/dp/B07Z45XB3G/

Crucial Ballistix 3600 MHz DDR4 DRAM Desktop Gaming Memory Kit 32GB (16GBx2) CL16 BL2K16G36C16U4B (BLACK) $164
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083TRXZ98

G.Skill Trident Z Neo Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-28800 DDR4 3600MHz CL16-19-19-39 1.35V Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC $220
https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-Trident-PC4-28800-CL16-19-19-39-F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC/dp/B07WTS8T2W/
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Areius




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Feb 2021 12:13    Post subject: *****
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Feb 2021 15:44    Post subject:
@CaptnNemo try re-flashing to the current BIOS?
this is odd, usually all MBs have dual bios systems, avoiding such issues

@Areius I am using the latest MSI BIOS with no issues, as seen in my pictures above

@0wen using 4 single-ranked dimms yields grater gaming results than 2 dual-ranked dimms
I am using G.Skill Samsung B Die dimms with great success
get 3600 or 3800mhz ram with the lowest CL you can afford


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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Feb 2021 16:59    Post subject: *****
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Feb 2021 17:42    Post subject:
why would u need a new bios on the super old 450? anyway ? nothing broken on it ?
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Feb 2021 18:51    Post subject:
better stability/compatability/performance/more bios options?
new agesa?


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CaptnNemo




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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2021 09:38    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
CaptnNemo wrote:
Best I could get as of now...




very nice speeds!
something is wrong with your L3 cache Confused it's almost 2 times slower than mine in latency, is that a 3950x ?
I also saw the new BIOS and flashed to it
share Zen Timings please?

edit: these are my new accomplishments:





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Getting better Smile



Lian-Li XL Dynamic ROG Black - EVGA 1000w - Lian-li Galahad 360 AIO - MSI X570 Meg Ace - Rysen 5950x - G.Skill 4x16GB CL14 3600@3800(14-15-15-34) - Samsung 960 Pro 512 - Samsung 960 Pro 1TB - Kingston HyperX SSD 120gb SATA 3 (6gb/s) - WD Black Caviar 2x 2TB SATA 3 (6gb/s) Raid 0 - WD Black Caviar 2 TB SATA 3 (6gb/s) - EVGA 3090 FTW3 - LG C1 48" 4k120hrz
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2021 10:34    Post subject:
yep, that looks just like 1:1 to mine Very Happy


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Areius




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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2021 11:29    Post subject: *****
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CaptnNemo




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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2021 14:17    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
yep, that looks just like 1:1 to mine Very Happy


and Im doing this with a 3000 CL14 14-14-14-28 kit Very Happy


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0wen




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PostPosted: Mon, 1st Mar 2021 22:07    Post subject:
I got all the parts ordered so now I am just waiting for them to arrive hopefully by the end of this week. I am going to use my current 1070 and 650 watt PSU but might try to grab the Phanteks Revolt Pro Series PH-P1000GC, 80PLUS Gold, Fully Modular, Patented Power Combo Technology, 1000W ATX Power Supply from Amazon when it is back in stock in a couple of weeks. I will probably have to wait for a stronger PSU before really trying overclocking but hopefully my current one will be strong enough to run the system. I am also going to try and get a 3080FE, 3080 EVGA FTW or a 3070FE during the next Best Buy drop next week.

Here is what I ended up getting:

CPU
AMD - Ryzen 9 5900X

Motherboard
ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) AMD AM4

Ram
Crucial 32GB Ballistix DDR4 3600 MHz CL16 UDIMM Gaming Desktop Memory Kit (4 x 8GB, Black)

Cooler
Noctua NH-D15 chromax.Black, Dual-Tower CPU Cooler (140mm, Black)

Case
Lian Li LANCOOL II Mesh Performance Mid-Tower Case (Black)
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Mar 2021 00:44    Post subject:
CaptnNemo wrote:
StrEagle wrote:
yep, that looks just like 1:1 to mine Very Happy


and Im doing this with a 3000 CL14 14-14-14-28 kit Very Happy


you are lucky! my old 3600-cl15 kit didn't want to post at 3666 Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Tue, 2nd Mar 2021 01:47    Post subject:
0wen wrote:
I am also going to try and get a 3080FE, 3080 EVGA FTW or a 3070FE during the next Best Buy drop next week.


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0wen




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PostPosted: Fri, 12th Mar 2021 19:27    Post subject:
scaramonga wrote:
0wen wrote:
I am also going to try and get a 3080FE, 3080 EVGA FTW or a 3070FE during the next Best Buy drop next week.


Laughing


I managed to get a 3070FE today for $500 which should arrive on March 22 as all the 3080s were gone before I had a chance. I also ended up getting the Seasonic Focus-X 1000 watt PSU which arrives today. The plus with the card is my old 1070 Strix OC seems to be selling for $500+ on eBay so I will be able to basically flip that old card into this 3070FE. I will still try to get a 3080 down the road but at least now my setup is complete.

The new system has been running well but I will have to look into those ram timings to see what I can improve as I was running it at 2666 for the first few days as I did not realize I had to select a profile in the bios for it to read the ram and run it at the proper 3600 speed CL16 settings.
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Mon, 15th Mar 2021 19:06    Post subject:
Updated: In a post on Reddit, AMD says they have found the root cause. Agesa 1.2.0.2 should provide solutions for problems with PCIe 4.0, USB port failure, and crackling audio over USB 2.0, among other things. Within a week, the new version of Agesa will be distributed to motherboard manufacturers. Users can expect beta versions of bios updates with Agesa 1.2.0.2 in early April. The precise date depends on the vendor's testing and implementation schedule, as well as the specific model.

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new ram settings


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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Apr 2021 15:35    Post subject:
MSI Issues AGESA 1.2.0.2 BIOS Updates for MSI X570/B550 motherboards: fixes USB issues

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If you want it, you can have it. AGESA 1.2.0.2 BIOS updates have been posted by MSI and cover their most prominent X570/B550 motherboards. This BIOS version addresses a bunch of issues, among them the discussed USB issues which should now have been resolved.

Please do note that the BIOS update is technically labeled as Beta. However, if you are among the people experiencing the USB issues, hey why not give it a go. More BIOS for other X570/B550 motherboards will be released. the first indication of people that had the issue, seem to be happy with the problems being resolved for them.

Notes:

Update to ComboAM4PIV2 1.2.0.2
Improved USB device compatibility


sause: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/msi-issues-agesa-1-2-2-bios-updates-for-msi-x570b550-motherboards-fixes-usb-issues.html


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0wen




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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Apr 2021 22:59    Post subject:
Asus released similar bioses a few weeks back.
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Apr 2021 23:18    Post subject:
Is there difference between 1.2.0.1 and 1.2.0.2?

Asrock has beta bios that says

"1. Update AMD AGESA ComboAM4v2 1.2.0.1 Patch A
2. Improve USB compatibility"


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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Apr 2021 23:26    Post subject:
afaik 1.2.0.2 only fixes the usb issues related to pcie4
maybe 0.2 is Patch A on 0.1 for ASUS


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Apr 2021 23:50    Post subject:
The bios update for asus rog strix 570 fixed the very very rare BSOD "Kmode Exception Not Handled" I was getting.


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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Apr 2021 15:00    Post subject:
Had a random hard-freeze issue bugging me (happened at random for no reason whatsoever), latest AMD chipset fixed that out and no more freezes with an entire week's uptime. Phew ! Very Happy


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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Apr 2021 15:32    Post subject:
So I'm thinking about getting new ram for my 5900X but I can't decide between

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232584

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232934?Description=F4-3800C14Q-32GTZN&cm_re=F4-3800C14Q-32GTZN-_-20-232-934-_-Product

3600 vs 3800 and 3800 is almost $200 more. Not sure if the cost is worth it


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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Apr 2021 15:55    Post subject:
first link is 3600/CL16 - a medium ram
2nd link is 3800/CL14 - the creme de la creme for AMD..
$200 diff is understandable Laughing

if you're on a budget - 3600 with the lowest CL you can afford (be sure that it's even 14/16..)
if you can afford it - get the 3800/CL14

also good 3600/CL14 can reach OC 3800/CL14

you won't get much performance wise.. according to benches diff is ~1-2%

P.S: you'd better hurry, ram prices are on the rise


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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Apr 2021 16:12    Post subject: *****
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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Apr 2021 16:22    Post subject:
I would say its not either.
I went from 3200 to 3600 and see no appreciable difference in games. Maybe a few FPS here and there in the FPS counter (as in less than 5 more). Usually its more of the "I was getting 98-99 before, now I can do 99-100 for the 99 percentile frame average."


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PostPosted: Wed, 14th Apr 2021 17:12    Post subject:
Thanks. I will see this weekend and decide.

Pretty new to AMD Ryzen World and just trying to catch up with everything and how it works.

EDIT: I have Corsair 3000 right now from my old intel setup


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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Apr 2021 10:41    Post subject:
getting anything less than 3600 on a 5900X flagship would be.. wasteful Very Happy

as I said - 3600 with the lowest CL you can afford (be sure that it's even 14/16..)


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PostPosted: Thu, 15th Apr 2021 23:12    Post subject:
Przepraszam wrote:
Thanks. I will see this weekend and decide.

Pretty new to AMD Ryzen World and just trying to catch up with everything and how it works.

EDIT: I have Corsair 3000 right now from my old intel setup


I ended up getting 2 of these sets to have 32 gigs total for my 5900x build last month and it has worked well.

Crucial Ballistix 3600 MHz DDR4 DRAM Desktop Gaming Memory Kit 16GB (8GBx2) CL16
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083V93HJG?th=1

Not sure if Gskill is worth the extra $110 for CL16 so it might be something to check out as well and if Amazon shows sold out B&H Phot should also have it in stock.
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