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i follow the quartering, i follow geeks and gamers, critical drinker, i basically follow every conservative or pro-Trump gaming/pop-culture channel and neither of these has called her a Mary Sue, they've been supportive from the start.
Neither of the pictures calling her that shows any channel that i've ever heard of. Good try / fake (no, not really).
comic book resources
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and then you post pictures of completely different people to piece it together? lol.. you're worse than fake news MSM.
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Then don't talk about nazis, you brought it up as well. It's also not totally off-topic here since the tweet that did get her fired eventually did use jews / nazis as an example. This thread is about her getting fired, remember?
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Feb 2021 21:41 Post subject: |
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i guess couldn't add to discussion or come up with a sensible argument.
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@vurt I think the Israel Palestine conflict is a bit beyond this topic. If you want to discuss it, we have other topics for that. "Then don't talk about nazis". Mate, where did I bring that up? It was just about the Pedro Pascal tweet. I don't care about nazis. Seriously. Go to the Trump thread and discuss it with me.
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i guess couldn't add to discussion or come up with a sensible argument. |
You mean about the israelo-palestinian conflict? You think thats discussable on this forum in this section in this thread? Good lord.
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No I just meant @Sin317 contribution to the discussion in the last page or two, I was in this thread to talk about the thread topic, I don't give two shits about the Israelo-Palestinian conflict.
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I thought that's what they were trying to communicate about.
edit: Anyway. I don't care about this actress either. I think cancel culture is dumb and I'm sure we can all agree on that. What I don't agree with is people constantly doing the extremely idiotic left-right division. That cancer is at least as bad as the cancel culture stuff. And it creeps into our discussions and threads, and it sickens me. Fuck that shit. Don't be a dumbass. The world is a lot more complex than that. Watching your bubbletubs only adds to the cancer. They cater to this tribalism, and it destroys political culture and entertainment culture all the same.
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So now that smear campaign is underway, she has full rights to sue now lol. Libel and slander. I wonder if she will. Itll be nice to see these bloggers who called a nazi get their day in court and having to prove shes a nazi and reposted memes aren't evidence. 
Cause context matters.
The woke kids jumped on this willy nilly and cost her her job and her disney career. She can easily sue every single person who called her a nazi for loss of wages and disney to dropping a contract based on speculation.
Would be very nice.
And as the topic steers political simply because that's where we are today. If you're a Democrat or a liberal you're a fine folk. If you're a republican or a conservative or a libertarian or anything other than being a fine folk you're automatically a nazi. Its that simple. That is the world we live in today.
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No its the world as you perceive it. Its not like that out there. Steer free of the internet for one second and its not like that anymore. There are no republicans here and there are many conservatives here who don’t give a fuck about mediocre american politics.America is not the world but somehow people think they are all like americans now with their binary thinking. And everyone feels like the oppressed minority lol.
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Feb 2021 00:24 Post subject: |
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deadset she should sue, this is lucusfilm statement "“Nevertheless, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable.” not even in the ballpark of what she said.
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| couleur wrote: | | No its the world as you perceive it. Its not like that out there. Steer free of the internet for one second and its not like that anymore. There are no republicans here and there are many conservatives here who don’t give a fuck about mediocre american politics.America is not the world but somehow people think they are all like americans now with their binary thinking. And everyone feels like the oppressed minority lol. |
If it weren't the world she wouldn't be fired. 
Of course real world isn't like this.
However, twitter/instagram/facebook keyboard warriors have more of an impact in the real world than we give them credit for. People lose their jobs for jokes. People get constantly "cancelled" for saying something someone on the spectrum found offensive.
In real life situations people walk away from idiotic discourse or partake in it. Or go to hr. On social media you get 1k of lunatics sending messages to fire someone and that company has an obligation to listen cause to them its 1k potential clients.
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Devils advocate here.
It IS Disney she chose to work for. Their persona and business mode (front facing anyway, business side is all corporate precision and rabid cut-throat defense of that image) is as a brand name that is child friendly, magiwonderful, most dream like place on the earth. She chose to work at a place well known (if not the most well known) for viscously defending its brand image that makes it it's billions of dollars a year.
Its wrong the other guy that said shit didn't also get reprimanded or let go if she did (or that she did if he didn't).
But If I worked at Disney, even as a just any old park character, and said decisive controversial stuff online in my off time that could link what I said to them in any image hurting or financial way by lost sales, Id say fair game for firing me.
The concept of them saying "Yea, your well known public perception does not work with ours. We are going to have to part ways, purely a business decision, we wish you luck".
I feel there is a big difference between "I will speak my mind as I please, and I dont care if they fire me" which is fair and exercising your right regardless who likes it, and saying "I will speak my mind as I please and they better not fire me".
Granted your private life is yours. "Twitter" where you can yell to nearly a million followers publicly, is not 'private life' to me. Thats equal to standing on a box with a bullhorn in town square at new years shouting your thoughts to everyone.
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Thats not the problem here though @DXWarlock . the problem is firing her for:
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Which is flat out lie, she never did this.. may as well fire her for being a serial rapist & murderer just because you don't like her opinion, same thing. Surely this is breaking the law, especially in calling it out publicly.
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Maybe its my take on employment. And I 100% it's my own, and not a standard or feasibly should be...
I personally feel a company should be able to fire you for anything..literally anything. Its not 'fair' and job security ends up being a talking point for sure with that mindset. But no one 'owes' you a job.
If a business/person/whatever decides they want to stop paying you money to do the thing they asked you to do. That's their choice.
(Now I do get the nuance and duality of the ability of it vs reasons to keep them, and the situations of abuse to remove someone after they have gave you a gain to deny them of the benefits of it, or to claim work rightfully theirs..etc. I mean more in general when its just they dont want you working there anymore).
Long as the reason is not one that is for the purpose of obtaining a illegitimate gain, or to deny them something they are owed/earned already, or biased against their race/religion/etc.
I feel they don't need to find a reason, they have one: We don't want to pay them our money any longer.
Say I show up and they go simply "We are letting you go. Why? Because we don't want to give you anymore of our money, it's a thing we see no value worth in for us anymore".
So in my admittedly own opinion they could have said "We have let her go, because we simply decided to stop employing her." and I'd shrug and go: Seems reasonable.
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Sure i follow you, except there are descrimination laws that say a business can't fire just someone for their race, for their sexuality, their gender. Do political views fall outside this, where as a powerful employer i can mandate you vote my way or your fired? i highly doubt it.
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I personally feel a company should be able to fire you for anything..literally anything. |
Seriously? Are you for real? So if i work perfect for 10 years but like come 5 minutes to late at one point in my life...and my boss decided to fire me - you think this is ok?
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@Ankh Yes.
Its their choice if they wants to continue to give you money past what they already owes you, or may owe you for past work or contributions.
I have a weird outlook. I am no 'corporate world' fan by any mean. Or "Pro capitalism greed' or any of that.
I feel if they decide honestly they see no value worth in wanting to pay you anymore. They shouldn't 'have' to.
NOW firing you for things you cannot control: Race, religion, sexual orientation etc...that's wrong. You have no control on if you 'do/are' that.
But if its something you was in full control of, and did, and they decide they do not want to pay you anymore because they don't want people that do that at the business or give their money to them. Fair to me.
IT sucks, and I'd hate it to happen to me. But I'd accept it as what right do I have to say if they want to hand over money tomorrow for work I will do tomorrow?
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| Ankh wrote: | | DXWarlock wrote: |
I personally feel a company should be able to fire you for anything..literally anything. |
Seriously? Are you for real? So if i work perfect for 10 years but like come 5 minutes to late at one point in my life...and my boss decided to fire me - you think this is ok? |
Imo, thats was a very american thing of him to say. Here in Europe, workers and employees still have rights. Its almost like communism.
edit: And I don't think a company should be able to fire someone because of how they interpreted a tweet. If a public tweet really can be considered hate speech, that's for a judge to decide, not the employer. And if she were in Europe, she would have very good chances to win this one in court. And rightly so.
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@couleur
its not American or American capitalism that its founded in, or seeded by.
Its I DO believe in workers rights (to a point..like I said in above post about things you can't control. Those are not valid reasons to fire as you cannot change or help being those).
its more that people paying others have rights also on if they want to keep doing that. Its not a business thing or founded on anything to do with cold bottom line type stuff. it's a 'money for services, that I dont want your service to do anymore'.
Like my lawn guy. If I decide I don't want him to do it anymore. I don't need a valid complaint, or grievance to tell him I don't want to pay him anymore to do it. I have the right to say "I dont want to pay for lawn service anymore".
If I am late to work and they want to fire me for it. I feel its my side to show them why they should not, to argue my case that I am worth keeping and a benefit to them and me being let go will hurt them more than the 5 minutes I missed. Not for them to explain why they dont want to give me money anymore.
If a company cannot force me to pay for a product because I just cannot find a valid reason not to. That company cannot be forced to pay someone just because no one can find a valid reason to stop doing it.
(Not arguing my viewpoint is right, or even right for society, it WOULD be chaos..just pointing out the basis of it isn't being American. It's everyone has freedom of choice to some extent, including you AND who pays you.Consumers have every right to only give money to those they want to, as do those that get that money. [im my eyes of course]).
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@DXWarlock Your lawn guy is not your employee. You're a customer and you're paying for a service. Thats a different relationship.
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As is your employer (to me). They are paying for a service for skills you can provide for it until they decide they do not need them anymore.
I am gaining a benefit by delegating some of the workload I have to someone else for money I am willing to pay them to do it. I decide if I want his skills and opt into paying him money to do them.
For me its contractually the same thing. I employ his skills and services, companies employ your skills and services.
(Not saying anyone needs to agree with me. Just how I logically see it.)
Edit: It's why the concept of employee, vs contractor, vs sub contractor seems silly to me. All 3 can be "A guy with his own truck and set of tools" But one you need a reason to stop paying (employee), one you need to break contract with and pay a fee for doing so (contractor), and the other you can just decide you don't want to pay him anymore after he finishes this job [or pay him for what hes done and tell him to leave today]. All of them had a singular job they are working at a time on for income, and if you stop paying them all will have to go find more work.
The ONLY difference is which pieces of paper they have saying what they are. They all have the same tools, same truck, and same cost of living.
(I fully admit my outlook is overly clinical and 'clean room'. NOT saying it SHOULD be that way. Saying to me logic follows it could be, just we as humans have decided its not that way, for the benefit of all involved. It's a collective rule we made up...just in the recent past.)
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The modern twitter mob SJW justice is ridiculous and I don't endorse firing people over their personal tweets as long as they are doing their jobs.
However, I gotta say they shouldn't have hired her in the first place:
- she has always been a shitty "actress"
- she got fat and no longer can kick ass like she used to
===> she doesn't bring anything worthwhile into the show.
Btw don't pity her She won't starve or anything Her family is worth billions. 
I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out it was their\her plan all along.
To become a "right-wing" martyr and then go into politics with her family's billions backing her.
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| h0rnyfavn wrote: | | over their personal tweets |
Maybe this is where the divergence is on opinion.
I've seen a lot back and forth over peoples 'personal tweets' in other cases. Thats an oxymoron to me. There is private messages. And public tweets.
I genuine fail to see (or perhaps understand/grasp) how its 'personal business' if you repeat the same thing to the same number of people using another context:
-They should not be judged for what personal opinion they got on the PA at the soccer game, asked for everyones attention then announced to 1.5 million strangers both in the stadium and at home watching on TV.
-They should not be judged for what personal opinion they stopped every person on the street they saw for days and told them.
-If she took out a newspaper ad space in a major newspaper and said such things. (reach about the same amount of people).
At that point, its not really personal is it? Its your vocal opinion to the masses you are publicly and vocally trying to make them hear.
Would it not be fair to distance yourself from the contention of what she said (agree with it or not..but just distance from the controversy it would cause) in the above scenarios?
Is it the amount of effort involved to do it that's the measure of if you should avoid being involved, or connected to them?
Why do tweets get the safety net and shield of "Its just a private thought"...if it was that, no one would know it, because it would be a PRIVATE thought in your head.
Good tweets, bad tweets, funny tweets, offensive tweets. They are all no longer just personally held beliefs, they are publicly announced. A private tweet cannot exist (well I suppose if you locked it to only like 1 other person can read it).
ALL tweets are you shouting from the mountain hoping for all to hear. Name anyone that tweets a lot that doesn't want as many as possible to read it. Preferably to every human that can read would be dreamy. Personal tweets.....exact estimate, negative growth..or the most fitting "open secret" they are all oxymorons.
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===> she doesn't bring anything worthwhile into the show.
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Fans disagree. Again, she's by far one of the most popular characters of the show, which both toy sales and IMDB searches shows (been top trending there for quite a while, which is very hard for smaller roles or for TV-series).
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Perhaps. To me it looks like she got more and more fed up with them. It will be interesting to see if she will do another interview with Drunk3PO or some other alternative / conservative YT channel.. She did watch Friday Night Tights (Nerdrotic live stream) yesterday, which was pretty awesome.. the love she got from the viewers was immense. It was an awesome moment when they got the tweet from her that she was watching.
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To become a "right-wing" martyr and then go into politics with her family's billions backing her. |
She's joined up with Ben Shapiro's The Daily Wire. Gonna do a movie. Pretty cool, she can be her own and say what the hell she want.
It's getting more and more obvious that right wingers needs a platform for movies, actors, entertainment. It's fucking sad that people have to be divided, but hardly the Right who's made that call. I have a feeling this is just the beginning and its going to get worse, not better.
She really did take the rebel role literally  and showed everyone that Disney really is the incarnation of The Empire.
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@vurt Its stuff like saying „it wasn’t the Right that made that call“ is exactly that call. The world isn’t just right and left.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| DXWarlock wrote: | I personally feel a company should be able to fire you for anything..literally anything. Its not 'fair' and job security ends up being a talking point for sure with that mindset. But no one 'owes' you a job.
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As long as "literally anything" does not include discrimination, as detailed in the labor laws, that's pretty much how it works. I don't think you need to provide a reason.
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| couleur wrote: | | @vurt Its stuff like saying „it wasn’t the Right that made that call“ is exactly that call. The world isn’t just right and left. |
Real world no.
Online yes.
But online world feeds into pr which feeds into hr which feeds into higher ups which leads to such things. If a thousands people send in reports to disney, disney sees a thousand clients, that's a thousand x things they can buy. Its substantial. Thats all it is.
Thats why when she reposted someone's post on Instagram she got fired.
And when Pedro posted himself an image comparing Republicans being nazis and confederates, and America being a nazi state so on and so forth he didn't.
Anti-woke don't complain cause they don't get offended cause they have real lives, real jobs, and don't sit online 24/7. They complain after the fact.
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@WaldoJ That may very well be so. But it isn't "the right" nor is it "the left" we are talking about. First of all "right" or "left" are not nearly enough to describe the full political spectrum (other dimensions apply too, like progressive/conservative, liberal/authoritarien, social/individual, communautarism/individualism, capitalist/socialist etc. etc. there are many different dimensions possible) and secondly most people support policies from very different points of view. Nobody except the extremes really identify with just one dimension. And even in those reductive dimensions, positions vary.
The internet tribalism of "left" vs. "right" is utter bullshit and people who perpetuate it are not very well politically educated from what I gather. Rather its a very americanized simplicist ideology. Its dumb and it needs to be called out.
edit2: And whenever someone says something, like these two actors here, I don't see the right or the left talking. I see some people who are actors getting too much attention.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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vurt
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| couleur wrote: | | @vurt Its stuff like saying „it wasn’t the Right that made that call“ is exactly that call. The world isn’t just right and left. |
Disney has proven they are 100% one sided, they had two actors doing the same thing on twitter, one gets fired, one is not because he used it to attack the Right.
And if you can read, what i said was that it's getting worse, not that there's just left and right, but that we indeed are going in that direction where you must choose. Either you are with them or you are against them. Or you can keep your mouth shut, let the lefties / woke talk all they want, tweet all they want, lie all they want, be activists all they want, but you must be quiet and just take it. Doesn't seem like an ideal situation to be in.. You're in a situation where you are being bullied, and my guess is that's what happened to Gina. Her tweets certainly seemed that way - frustration, anger, a way of getting a bit of revenge.
Hell, Pratt almost got cancelled when he wasn't attending to a Biden fund raiser like the rest. People got suspicious, called him out. You're crazy if you think you can choose.
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