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Posted: Mon, 14th Dec 2020 22:38 Post subject: |
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Neon wrote: | blackeyedboy wrote: | Hey, I like titties, like any normal, non-perv man. But you can't even play with titties in this game, man...
Even Witcher 1 has a much better approach on sex themes than this. You could walk the streets of Vizima and you could sometimes approach random NPC females and have sex with them.
I repeat: RANDOM NPC women!
So even sex has been cut in this game.
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No, it wasn't. There are full sex scenes, with romance characters as well as joy toys (prostitutes), and even side characters.
Again, I have to repeat my point. There's so much wrong with CP 2077, yet people here pick on most miniscule points, and compare gameplay elements with RDR 2 which have no bearing on actual gameplay and wouldn't improve CP 2077 at all.
What would CP gain if they introduced a weight system? Or facial hair growth? You basically never see your character in the game (which is, you know, an actual flaw on which they could improve, since it makes customization almost pointless).
What would CP gain if they introduced garages? Nothing, all of your cars are literally available at a click of a single button.
There are tons of problems with CP 2077, but comparing RDR 2 and CP 2077 is like comparing The Witcher 3 with AC Valhalla (but even between those games there are more similarities than between RDR 2 and CP2077). |
yes, you are right.
I think the main problem with CP is the amount of bugs it has and the performance.
I think feature wise it delivers somewhat and yes you could compare it to RDR2 just as much you could compare it to Imp (game came on 52 cds https://rawg.io/games/imp) but its pointless to compare it.
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Posted: Mon, 14th Dec 2020 22:51 Post subject: |
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kalato wrote: | If Rockstar did this game, it would of been done in 4 years, better AI, better story, better on consoles and maybe released on PC at the same time plus everything else they would of done right. | Good one 
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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Posted: Mon, 14th Dec 2020 23:22 Post subject: |
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Finished the game in 23h09min, skipping each voice line after reading it's texts
PROS:
-Cyberpunk look
-Good performance (AMD user, except exteriorrs by day)
-Keanu Reeves is the star of this shit
CONS:
-Performance issues even on powerful PCs
-BUGS, ALL OF EM
-Progression issues (Tells you to do something but even if you face the interactive element well, nothing happens. Forcing you to restart the last checkpoint to work)
-Weak weapons
-Skill Tree slightly confusing (Level up the area you want to get more upgrades from it)
-WAITING TIMES BETWEEN STORY MISSIONS, UUUUUUGH, not even the time skip helps!!. Had to do a few blue side missions/Events to get money exp weapons... Reached LVL 20 thanks to em but meh
-Some unskippable scenes (C key)
-Slightly confusing story moments sometimes if you don't pay attention.
-Too many argentinian characters and insults all the time, though it's not "that bad" but for spanish users like it could get annoying , along some confusing words only latin/argentinian speakers would get.
6/10. No more of this game until they fix it all, but i've got better things to do now...
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Posted: Mon, 14th Dec 2020 23:24 Post subject: |
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Posted: Mon, 14th Dec 2020 23:35 Post subject: |
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/uninstall/10
Asus, B550, 3700X, 3060, 32GB.
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Posted: Mon, 14th Dec 2020 23:58 Post subject: |
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Posted: Tue, 15th Dec 2020 00:09 Post subject: |
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Yep Witcher 1 and Witcher 2 are the best possible format for a story driven RPG. They had mixed success combining open world with detailed linear story in Witcher 3 as well. I did those ?'s for about 10 hours tops before before getting bored with it and b-lining the main quest. Everything was static in Witcher 3 too, I remember cities had hundreds of npc's you couldn't interaction with, solely quest givers, gwent and vendors only, yet people loved that game.
I have no interest at all in openworld filler side-quest stuff. Can you skip all the side-content / openworld type gameplay like in Witcher 3?
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Posted: Tue, 15th Dec 2020 00:13 Post subject: |
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Posted: Tue, 15th Dec 2020 00:30 Post subject: |
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I used to do that as well, I think I 100% GTA Vice City which was the last Rockstar game i ever played beyond the <2h refund limit. They played the openworld part of Witcher 3 really safe too, the reward of filler quests never gave you anything worthwhile to warrant doing them, the game had level scaling as well making it less compelling to do so.
I remember the monster placement working fairly well in Witcher 3 all the way though, that police spawn you posted above is terribly bad, seems they bit off more than they could chew with this game.
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Posted: Tue, 15th Dec 2020 00:43 Post subject: |
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Interinactive wrote: | It should have just been like Deus Ex with large hubs
Everything about Mankind Divided's world was great. Exploration, characters, police, quests, interactions - everything. There was a reason to try and talk to random NPCs, and a reason to explore every inch of the place. I think I'll play it again after this.
The open world thing doesn't work at this scale unless you can create meaningful content, and most quests are just Ubisoft crapola. There are good side quests but they are vastly outnumbered by the go here > shoot 4-5 people in the face > rinse and repeat formula. |
Totally agree as I mentioned in previous post, just stick to the story and made it like Deus Ex with hubs and not Open World.
I like bum.
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Posted: Tue, 15th Dec 2020 01:55 Post subject: |
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Interinactive wrote: | It should have just been like Deus Ex with large hubs
Everything about Mankind Divided's world was great. Exploration, characters, police, quests, interactions - everything. There was a reason to try and talk to random NPCs, and a reason to explore every inch of the place. I think I'll play it again after this.
The open world thing doesn't work at this scale unless you can create meaningful content, and most quests are just Ubisoft crapola. There are good side quests but they are vastly outnumbered by the go here > shoot 4-5 people in the face > rinse and repeat formula. | I still love that game
Btw someone was asking if it only rains in cutscenes or if it can happen during regular gameplay too, so:

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Posted: Tue, 15th Dec 2020 02:20 Post subject: |
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Neon wrote: | blackeyedboy wrote: | Hey, I like titties, like any normal, non-perv man. But you can't even play with titties in this game, man...
Even Witcher 1 has a much better approach on sex themes than this. You could walk the streets of Vizima and you could sometimes approach random NPC females and have sex with them.
I repeat: RANDOM NPC women!
So even sex has been cut in this game.
OUCH. |
No, it wasn't. There are full sex scenes, with romance characters as well as joy toys (prostitutes), and even side characters.
Again, I have to repeat my point. There's so much wrong with CP 2077, yet people here pick on most miniscule points, and compare gameplay elements with RDR 2 which have no bearing on actual gameplay and wouldn't improve CP 2077 at all.
What would CP gain if they introduced a weight system? Or facial hair growth? You basically never see your character in the game (which is, you know, an actual flaw on which they could improve, since it makes customization almost pointless).
What would CP gain if they introduced garages? Nothing, all of your cars are literally available at a click of a single button.
There are tons of problems with CP 2077, but comparing RDR 2 and CP 2077 is like comparing The Witcher 3 with AC Valhalla (but even between those games there are more similarities than between RDR 2 and CP2077). |
Some people are incapable of reading posts - even if sometimes it's just 2 short sentences. They stumble into some words or ideas that contradict with their views and they enter defensive mode = insecure as fuck (not you, Neon).
Gonna repeat for them the obvious: the purpose of the table was to point out the superior value of RDR2 as a functional, complete, original game.
Cyberpunk could have come with it's own flavor, totally different than RDR2 (it's own features and gameplay). And it still can do that - if it gets fixed.
If that will be the case, we could say - I agree - that the 2 games are so different that there's no point in comparing them. Until then, there's almost nothing to compare, as the open world aspect is far behind RDR2 in terms of what activities you can do and / or how polished or functional those activities are.
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Posted: Tue, 15th Dec 2020 02:23 Post subject: |
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the comparison was totally valid, and shocking to me who hasnt played both games, makes villain rockstar look like altar boys
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Posted: Tue, 15th Dec 2020 03:11 Post subject: |
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kalato wrote: | If Rockstar did this game, it would of been done in 4 years, better AI, better story, better on consoles and maybe released on PC at the same time plus everything else they would of done right. |
With even worse controls. The controls of RD2 are some of the most autistic bullshit I've ever dealt with. Hold E to pick up hat. Go to pick up gun, Hold R...what? Use R to open drawer, use R to grab things from drawer, use E to close drawer, OH OK.
You must have no been present for the release of RD2 on PC. It was absolutely crash happy and still has the most abysmal performance possible. Pretty much abandoned it after a few patches so they could focus more online microtransactions.
Dunno why you're slobbing on Rockstars dick. They're more likely to milk the money out of your purse than CDP is, at least their DLC typically includes actual expansions, and not shark cards so you can buy a new virutal boat.
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Posted: Tue, 15th Dec 2020 03:46 Post subject: |
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* Unnecessary to insult someone like that in here. *
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Posted: Tue, 15th Dec 2020 05:03 Post subject: |
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All the above nonsense talk, is gonna be regurgitated over and over at every 'hyped' release from now on. This is the way it is, and 2021 will be no better, nor will 2022+, I have a safe bet on that. Expect remakes of the 'same old same old' next year, as most have run dry with ideas now, and even then, they will all mostly be shit. It's the world we now live in folks, less quality and more cash, keeps a happy bunny moaning till dawn and beyond
Always remember this. DOOM can never be the same again, as you first experienced that thrill, back then when you were young, nothing can beat that, and no 'ray tracing' bullshit is gonna make it seem so either Put that into perspective, and the same applies for everything today.
Anyway...
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/cyberpunk-2077-on-geforce-now-is-brilliant-if-you-dont-have-an-rtx-card/
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Posted: Tue, 15th Dec 2020 09:01 Post subject: |
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Interesting that the only bug I saw in this game was once while I was talking to Nakamura a person in the background stood up from the bar stool and floated for 2 seconds without moving their legs then went to normal.
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Posted: Tue, 15th Dec 2020 09:19 Post subject: |
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Dont know if this was posted but here it goes
https://old.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/kdemr1/cd_projekt_red_emergency_board_call_recording/
https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-content/uploads-en/2020/12/conference-call-with-the-board_14-12-2020.mp3
CD Projekt Red Emergency Board Call Recording Online: Refunds, Multiplayer, More
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They also state earlier in the call there was limited QA testing done on the game, it was all done "in house" and no experienced third party contractors were used. |
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CEO says they want to gain the trust of gamers back because they know they've lost it. CEO puts on a "humble" facade that quickly disappears later in the call.
17 minutes in, as one of the developers is finishing up answering a question about what they will do to fix the game on last gen consoles, he tells the investor to not expect any graphical or game system type changes, as their only intent is to make the game playable from start to finish without crashing on last gen.
Last gen console versions of the game weren't given to reviewers because the dev team was still working on those versions during the review period for the game. They were working on them "up until the last minute".
They also state earlier in the call there was limited QA testing done on the game, it was all done "in house" and no experienced third party contractors were used. CDPR employees played iterative builds of the game in their homes due to the pandemic and that's how they tested the game. They say there wasn't much attention put on the last generation console versions of the game. (you know, the consoles the game was originally made for before the delays)
21 or so minutes in, the CEO says they plan to let the Cyberpunk team rest "until February". (good, the actual developers deserve a ton of rest after what their management team has done)
Multiplayer is tentatively scheduled to release in 2022, but could be pushed to 2023. Depends on how long it takes the development team to actually finish the game (referring to the planned DLC's & expansions) as well as fix what was and is currently being sold to customers.
Several investors seem to be very concerned about the game being refunded. One asked how the refund process works through Microsoft and Sony and if the investor will still keep his cut. (this person seems to have no regard for customer satisfaction and is only focused on keeping his cut of the money, even after a customer refunds the game.)
No plans to lower the price of the last gen console versions, despite the depleted experience. The PC version has very clearly been their main focus. All console versions seem to be an afterthought.
One investor asks if the development team needed more actual developers in order to finish the game on time. CDPR's answer was no, that the number of developers wouldn't have changed anything. The CEO took responsibility for their management team rushing the development of the game and not understanding the technical limitations the dev team was up against. (yo what happened to "Coming: When it's ready" ???)
It's very apparent throughout this call the CDPR management team keeps referring back to the "next gen upgrade at no additional cost" for console owners, but they fail to explain to these investors that doesn't change anything if you don't have a next gen console. They are using that as a response to questions about the last gen console version of the game. Pretty scummy way to frame their answers in my opinion, and it's happened multiple times now.
Stadia version will be updated once before their holiday break. After that there is no further update (bug fixing updates) planned for the Stadia version of the game, but this could change in Q1 of 2021.
An investor specifically asks about the NPC and AI behavior, citing the backlash it's received online by customers. CDPR's answer is that the AI and NPC behavior is part of the bugs, and the patches that come in January and February will address those issues/bugs. Nothing more in depth was said about the AI.
One last time before ending the call, CDPR yet again touts the "next gen upgrade at no additional cost" and hopes gamers will keep the game instead of refunding it so that they can experience the next gen upgrade as soon as it's ready. But again, as I stated earlier, they fail to explain to these investors that if you don't have a next gen console, this next gen upgrade is useless to you. |
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