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| Breezer_ wrote: | | PumpAction wrote: | | I don't get it why the CX are so hyped, the BX, B9 and C9 all were equally capable of 120Hz HDMI 2.1. Heck LG, just give us 32/34" Desktop Oleds YOU BITCH! |
They will cost atleast double what 65" costs when that happens tho. |
afaik the CX don't even have "full" hdmi 2.1 support (i.e. full 48mbps bandwidth) as opposed to b9/c9/etc
they do have freesync support out of the box i believe
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Nui
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Oct 2020 16:33 Post subject: |
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the CX should be 1 gen newer, but apparently there was hardly a difference.
I believe the C9 may have had a better video processor than the lower models, so there could have a been difference in quality.
Its been a while though, so I might confuse some of the features.
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couleur
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| Posted: Thu, 5th Nov 2020 21:44 Post subject: |
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So I just ordered the MSI MPG341CQR.
3440x1440, 34", 144Hz Freesync.
Reviews are good, quality control apparently is decent with MSI monitors. Though I'll believe it when I see it.
I really wanted something else so I chose VA for the better Contrast.
Apparently this is the fastest VA monitor besides the Samsung G7/G9. But the Samsungs have an insane 1000R curve. They just look ridiculous, especially the G7, imo.
Its also the reason why I went with this one instead of a 100Hz VA, because 100Hz would have been enough, but this one should have better pixel response.
Well, knowing my luck, it will probably be shit.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Nov 2020 03:11 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Nov 2020 07:17 Post subject: |
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Well worth it especially given you dont upgrade monitors that often. Happy to spend 1500+ on GPU every couple of years but no to faster more responsive screen, colours and contrast?
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ixigia
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I'm completely uninformed about the subject at the moment since I only activate myself when I can actually buy stuff (any - it's a way to live better I guess, some self-induced ignorance  ), but the monitor does look amazing indeed, congrats  
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couleur
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Nov 2020 16:36 Post subject: |
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I got it yesterday, here is my review.
positive:
zero dead pixels
34" is awesome, wont go back
neutral:
100Hz is enough, I tested 100, 120, 144Hz and I couldn't make out a significant difference, maybe some hardcore gaemers can.
colours are okish once you pass hours of finetuning every setting. But never as good as on the IPS.
negative:
slight colour banding, but my IPS has it too
the black smearing and I shit you not it first appeared after I opened the hump and scrolled through a page with posts from stormwolf. His avatar would creat 1cm long black banding. Its fucking horrible. Now I saw it on other stuff too, unless you make the contrast so high, that you loose white and black detail.
So I sent it back.  Just too expensive for the drawbacks. Never again a VA panel.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Nov 2020 16:46 Post subject: |
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couleur
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Nov 2020 16:47 Post subject: |
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I know master. I learned my Lexion!
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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couleur
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2020 09:17 Post subject: |
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I found my monitor.
After being out of ideas and looking closer at 60Hz UWQHD monitors on geizhals.de I saw that Fujitsu makes 34" monitors that are listed as 60Hz but in reality can do 100Hz freesync.
So I bought a Fujitsu P34-9 despite there being no reviews.
key featurs:
IPS, 98% DCI-P3 (useless to me but it has a factory calibrated sRGB mode, they even included a calibration report in the box)
100Hz, which is pretty awesome now that I got to really play with it. Doom 2016 runs perfectly fine over 100Hz at native res.
400 Nits. HDR is not advertised, nor is it in the specs, but without freesync, it does HDR, but IPS lacks both black level and brightness to make this usable imo, so I use freesync instead. I tried HDR on SOTTR but I couldn't see a significant difference.
I also has an included kvm switch which supports USB-C meaning you can hook up your MacBook and just hit a button to continue using the same keyboard and mouse while it gets charged. That is an added bonus I dindn't particularly look for but can be quite useful.
It has an overdrive mode that is completely useless because even without overdrive activated, the monitor already has some kind of overdrive active that is pretty aggressive. So motion clarity is really really good but there are some inverse artifacts. But its still MILES better than the VA black smearing I witnessed on the MSI MPG341CQR, so I really don't care. I'm almost certain I wouldn't have noticed it if I hadn't been looking for it.
Fujitsu is clearly aimed at Pro and Office workers and not gamers. The panel itself has some very minimal backlight bleed around the edges. But its hardly noticeable at reasonable brightness levels and only noticeable in the dark. F.e. in Subnautica in the dark ocean, I barely notice it, except for when I'm looking for it. Nothing compared to what people report of LG or ACER monitors. And now that I look for it, my old monitor has some bleeding too. Grey uniformity and color uniformity are simply perfect. I cannot make out IPS glow or weird colors shining through. It looks almost perfect.
Contrast is not better or worse than my old IPS. Its typical IPS contrast level. Thats a drawback inherent to the technology. Gotta have to wait for OLED at usable sizes or use VA with the other drawbacks that come with it.
Bottom line: Gaming on this monitor is pretty awesome. The feeling of the 100HZ and the widescreen both make for a far better experience overall than the 16:10 60Hz I had before. Hard to describe but it feels like your mouse movement gets more instantly translared into movement on the screen. Like its more direct, more connected. Color fidelity and picture homogenity makes this a top notch Office Monitor aswell, which is what I do with it most of the time. The added space already feels like I couldn't do without anymore.
One downside is the price. 910€ is alot of money. But Fujitsu promises Pixelerrorclass I with zero dead white or black pixels. (My unit had none) They include a 3 year pickup warranty too. Firmware updates, if there ever are any, can be done by the user. I don't expect much there though.
My reasoning: Fuck playing the panel lottery. If you want a monitor that lasts a few years without driving you mad, don't go cheap on it. Especially considering its THE thing you're constantly looking at.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Nov 2020 11:51 Post subject: |
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Sounds really good but also veeery expensive
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couleur
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2020 10:33 Post subject: |
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Thanks.
I am indeed enjoying it. Playing Subnautica again and the game really shines on this aspect ratio.
I'd recommend everyone giving 21:9 a serious thought when buying a new screen. Its really nice for gaming and office.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2020 11:13 Post subject: |
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How do you like the curvature?
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2020 11:16 Post subject: |
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I got tired of my 34" ultra wide, i didn't think it added anything, if anything it just made it less of a focused experience, i liked it at first though.. It's kind of odd since i absolutely hate low FOV in VR (or maybe i don't, because i've never tried something equivalent to ultra wide in VR heh)
About curvature, i never noticed it on mine, it's just there so that the angle is good and you don't get washed out colors.
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2020 11:37 Post subject: |
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I'm happier with lower resolution than 3440x1440.. mainly for performance reasons, obviously when you have these monitors you want to push FPS to 120 when you can, makes a huge difference (bigger than i imagined).
3440x1440 on 34" is super tiny.... some programs i couldnt use due to image scaling not working well or at all for them.
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couleur
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Nov 2020 12:43 Post subject: |
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3440x1440 has the same ppi than WQHD on 27” so everything is just as big or tiny than that. And I dig the higher ppi for image clarity. Performance wise its ok. I think the curvature is preferable on this size. It doesn’t bother me. Quite the contrary.
I also found the added size compared to 27" helps with working on multiple documents at the same time.
edit: btw. I'm using this on a VESA mount so moving the screen closer or further away is a matter of seconds. https://www.arctic.ac/w1-3d
@Areius: There are some monitors with higher res on 34" https://geizhals.de/?cat=monlcd19wide&xf=11939_34%7E11940_34%7E14591_51202160
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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