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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 15:46 Post subject: |
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Prandur wrote: | The gender of the writers should be completely irrelevant. Just judge the writing on the merits of the writing itself without considering who wrote it - regardless of whether it was a man, woman, a saint or a mass murdered.
For instance, I try to never ever dig up who writes or develops the games I play because I really want to judge the work itself. (I guess one could say it's the same principle as that of "double-blind reviewing" in scientific publication.) I would even go as far as arguing that "determining whether you like something or not depending on who made that" indirectly suggests that one is incapable of judging the quality of work. |
Well, women are more prone to join stupid stuff like metoo, blacklivves, whitemenaregarbage, etcetc and whateverthefuck else is popular and makes them look good. This is key "makes them look good". If you know women you know this. Sadly, they cant separate their lives from fiction and they keep mixing it up in their writing cause it "makes them look good" but it makes their fiction look terrible.
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 15:56 Post subject: |
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 16:12 Post subject: |
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Men good, men strong, men smart.
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 16:13 Post subject: |
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read what you wrote, think long and hard about it and then maybe delete your post, as to not to appear as an absolute prick, lol.
And I don't mean "go eat something", which by the way... hein?
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 16:27 Post subject: |
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Sin317 wrote: | read what you wrote, think long and hard about it and then maybe delete your post, as to not to appear as an absolute prick, lol.
And I don't mean "go eat something", which by the way... hein? |
Definitely go eat something. You're starving your brain cells again.
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 16:27 Post subject: |
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Mister_s wrote: | Men good, men strong, men smart. |
Not saying that. Men dumbdumb too, yet not as prone to "have to look good externally"
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 16:34 Post subject: |
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You've probably met the wrong women in your life.
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 18:52 Post subject: |
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 19:14 Post subject: |
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Stormwolf wrote: |
Well, women are more prone to join stupid stuff like metoo, blacklivves, whitemenaregarbage, etcetc and whateverthefuck else is popular and makes them look good. This is key "makes them look good". If you know women you know this. Sadly, they cant separate their lives from fiction and they keep mixing it up in their writing cause it "makes them look good" but it makes their fiction look terrible. | ¨
It's been spreading like a wildfire to men as well, these days you should pretty much always expect virtue signaling and real-world politics themes, at least for movies.
Games are still not as bad as Hollywood (thank god).
I think the main reason it has spread to (weak) men this badly is that a lot of them are are insecure cucks (you can blame schools and media for a lot of this). They can not attract women by the usual means, instead they turn themselves into women (basically) as a way to have some type of likeable or at least recognizable trait.
It's gonna get far, far worse. I'm already avoiding most new movies, probably gonna convert almost completely to reading books and watching classic movies (and make sure to build up a library of them because these are going to get censored and removed completely, no doubt, we're already seeing it.)
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 20:00 Post subject: |
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The fallacy is that you cannot take statistical information about the whole population and base your expectation on the quality of one work based on that information. The statistical differences are too small to matter, and moreover any statistical information over all women would be distorted by the specific activity (you're not considering a random person, but a person at a certain position - a writer at a specific company hides for a specific job).
I could illustrate the fallacy with a hypothetical example but I don't think it's necessary; it's really not that difficult.
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 20:17 Post subject: |
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You can, instead, illustrate objectively differences in how the brain works for men and women.
Those differences will show how men are better at writing a certain type of literature / poetry / critique etc. and women excel at a certain possibly different type(s) of writing.
Superficially estimating I'd say women are better at anything that involves emotional involvement from the part of the reader and men are better at... everything else.
JK, ofc!
But, I am sure, you incredibly brightly, intelligent, nfohumpers mEn, get my point.
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 20:46 Post subject: |
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Having sold more than 500 million copies worldwide, Harry Potter by J. K. Rowling is the best-selling book series in history. |
Yeah, A woman wrote the most sold book series in history. Darn it.
Quote: | The first novel in the series, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, has sold in excess of 120 million copies, making it one of the best-selling books of all time. |
Darn it again.
Another best selling author with over 100million sold with just 1 book, you guessed it...
Agathe Christie - And then there were none
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books
There are a lot of women in that list.
Anyway, Soon Early Access it is?
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 21:16 Post subject: |
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If you're going to continue this for another page, can you guys take it elsewhere?
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 21:21 Post subject: |
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Superficial, as usual.
The NUMBER of accessible, casual, friendly literature books sold does not equal a brilliant mind and exquisite quality of the narrative (or characters).
Ever heard and/or read Gabriel Garcia Marquez, Flaubert, Proust?!
How on fucking earth would you compare the writing of Shakespeare or Cervantes or Tolstoy to that of J. K. Rowling?!
What a peasant...
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 21:27 Post subject: |
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Because back in those days, women were not allowed to write books, let alone read, period, most of the time...
You pheasant!
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 21:34 Post subject: |
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Morphineus wrote: | If you're going to continue this for another page, can you guys take it elsewhere? |
I'm tempted to split the thread and move the whole "discussion" to the Useless Void, but I'm afraid the forums would just collapse or fold on themselves like Inception
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 21:54 Post subject: |
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I'm very excited for the early access release men. Almost as excited as I am about incelwolf getting banned.
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Posted: Fri, 25th Sep 2020 22:44 Post subject: |
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Sin317 wrote: | Because back in those days, women were not allowed to write books, let alone read, period, most of the time... |
No need to go back in time... Take Rowling's novels and compare their writing to the best writers in history. Even the ones aforementioned in my post.
Anyway.
Back on topic with a question: what history / experience does that lady writer for Larian has, that they considered she's perfect to create a script that would be worthy of a sequel for one of the best games of all time?
NOT a loaded question, mind you.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Sep 2020 21:10 Post subject: |
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Here's a meta-question: why do we have what seems to be 2 pages of discussions about the specific identity of a writer for the game, rather than discussing specific things you like or don't like? I haven't noticed this kind of degenerative approach in other threads or on other topics on our forum... usually it's "I don't like <XXX> and <YYY>", and not "this member of the dev team is a <AAA> and looks like a <BBB>, and hence I can already predict that I won't like the game".
I mean... I thought it was really general and basic-level knowledge by now that making any fucking predictions about a person or their abilities based on generic stuff (such as gender or race) is idiotic due to huge person-to-person variance... but I guess it's not obvious to some?
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Posted: Sat, 26th Sep 2020 22:22 Post subject: |
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Prandur wrote: | Here's a meta-question: why do we have what seems to be 2 pages of discussions about the specific identity of a writer for the game, rather than discussing specific things you like or don't like? I haven't noticed this kind of degenerative approach in other threads or on other topics on our forum... usually it's "I don't like <XXX> and <YYY>", and not "this member of the dev team is a <AAA> and looks like a <BBB>, and hence I can already predict that I won't like the game".
I mean... I thought it was really general and basic-level knowledge by now that making any fucking predictions about a person or their abilities based on generic stuff (such as gender or race) is idiotic due to huge person-to-person variance... but I guess it's not obvious to some? |
tbh I was being a bit of a troll because I know certain people get wound up
But either way, when you look at the psychological aspect, you can actually make assumptions. Its just how it is biologically, brains are different and if you deny it you just dont understand how it works, not 100% but there are tendencies and you can predict stuff. It only takes remembering how Apex Legends lore turned out when trans gender people started working on writing the character stories...
Im still hoping BG3 wont be all fruity but we'll see, writing (dialogues) certainly doesnt look amazing from what we've seen, definitely not BG2 level.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Sep 2020 23:21 Post subject: |
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That's the point. If there were to be a 0.1, 1 or even 10% variation between genders or races in a certain metric across the whole populace, that's not enough to be able to predict the qualities/values of one specific person in that demographic that holds a certain specific role. One of the main reasons for that is that the set of people in that role does not represent a random sample across the whole population.
Say, as an illustrative example, that you knew for a fact that globally, afro-americans are on average poorer than whites. Assume that you see an afro-american in an airplane. Now by the fact that you've seen him in an airplane, your statistical knowledge about all afro-americans being poorer cannot be used to predict the wealth of that individual - for all you know, the average wealth of afro-americans that can afford a flight could actually be much higher than that of whites. (Replace races with genders and airplanes with being in the games writing industry, and you'll see how the example applies to this case.)
The second reason is simply that even a 10% variation would be way too weak to make any reasonable predictions. Anyway, I hope this resolves the whole gender game-dev prediction bias thing.
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Posted: Sat, 26th Sep 2020 23:47 Post subject: |
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I think we should all just move on and ignore shadak, he is obviously mentally challenged.
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Posted: Sun, 27th Sep 2020 00:07 Post subject: |
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Actually, despite the ranting and noise we create around this topic, the "whole gender game-dev prediction bias thing" is not the problem.
The generic dialogues presented so far in the trailers / videos are the source of discontent (well, ONE source of discontent, as there are more). At least FOR ME, they are.
When we start to see a certain x-gender writer talking so vigorously and passionate about the same fantasy cliches and same rules of creativity that we've seen too many times before, we can only look for statistical justification of this... problem-situation. Meaning: we look back at "how" BG2, Planescape games were created and we draw comparisons. And guess what?! Something doesn't tick right for BG3.
No need to continue, really, as the fate of BG3's is already sealed. It's writing will never have the philosophical 'rhetoric' met in the previous installments. Nor it's memorable characters and unique main villains (how do you match Irenicus in 2020's era of woke culture?!). If Larian had all these, they would have been advertised / presented them as a selling point and they would have been underlined in all of the promo materials we've seen so far. Instead, what does Larian chooses to do/show? Explosions, senseless gore and feminine men.
Please!
They didn't bother to raise interest in the narrative not even on a 'casual-smart level'. Such example would be the whole "Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference." quote that's actually the source of a strong narrative in The Witcher. And it had such a powerful impact on masses... I repeat: ON MASSES! There's a whole discussion about what this means.
Bleh.
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Posted: Sun, 27th Sep 2020 00:13 Post subject: |
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Well my takeaway here is that some nfohumpers just don't like women, why am i not surprised.
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Posted: Sun, 27th Sep 2020 00:15 Post subject: |
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AmpegV4 wrote: | Well my takeaway here is that some nfohumpers just don't like women, why am i not surprised. |
Or rather certain kinds of women, which is fair. Women dislike certain kinds of men too. Nothing is ever black and white, but on discussion bords and facebook they sadly are.
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Posted: Sun, 27th Sep 2020 00:17 Post subject: |
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Stormwolf wrote: | AmpegV4 wrote: | Well my takeaway here is that some nfohumpers just don't like women, why am i not surprised. |
Or rather certain kinds of women, which is fair. Women dislike certain kinds of men too. Nothing is ever black and white, but on discussion bords and facebook they sadly are. |
The f**k are you doing on facebook?
You disappoint.
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