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Surray




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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Aug 2020 07:55    Post subject:
it's just gonna take a few DLCs to really get going as usual.

best to just wait 5 years to play these paradox grand strategy games.


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friketje




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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Aug 2020 08:05    Post subject:
Surray wrote:
it's just gonna take a few DLCs to really get going as usual.

best to just wait 5 years to play these paradox grand strategy games.


That does not chance the fact that this is CK2 with new graphics.
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prudislav
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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Aug 2020 08:51    Post subject:
friketje wrote:
They could also just improve ck2 graphics and continue expanding that game (or that's what they have done Awesome )

my guess is that they reached some (engine) limitations that would make further development of ck2 problematic


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bronson




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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Aug 2020 09:04    Post subject:
friketje wrote:
I don't know if there is enough going on with this game to justify a sequal, it just looks like ck2.
3d characters, some quality of life improvements, some new mechanics. That's about it.
They could also just improve ck2 graphics and continue expanding that game (or that's what they have done Awesome )
It almost seems there running out of ideas.


They have been out of ideas for some time. Even the last CK2 expansion and the EUIV expansions were based on ideas first introduced by modders. Every single one of the new features shown in the CK3 videos have been in mods at some point.
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friketje




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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Aug 2020 09:37    Post subject:
prudislav wrote:
friketje wrote:
They could also just improve ck2 graphics and continue expanding that game (or that's what they have done Awesome )

my guess is that they reached some (engine) limitations that would make further development of ck2 problematic


For Sure. Still, previous paradox sequals had something new to ad.
Personally I would like them focus more on empire management so that it's fun to play even if you don't have big plans for conquering more of the map. I don't like the endgame in paradox titles when it's all about grabbing more land and managing bb rating cause there is little to do otherwise.
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AKofC




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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Aug 2020 13:02    Post subject:
Surray wrote:
it's just gonna take a few DLCs to really get going as usual.

best to just wait 5 years to play these paradox grand strategy games.


If the stuff they've shown in the div diary aren't bullshit, then it's got a pretty solid core as opposed to when CK2 came out.

I mean, just the reworked dynasties, lifestyles, stress system, the succession rules, those seem to be way deeper than what CK2 has.

So we'll see. Hopefully the features aren't just marketing bullshit.


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Morphineus
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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Aug 2020 13:18    Post subject:
Check their dev updates on the tubes, they're pretty good at showing the features off. It's time consuming though.

I do feel like its enough of an improvement over CKII... but hey, I'll probably be playing II till III is discounted anyway. Razz


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Prandur




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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Aug 2020 14:20    Post subject:
I wonder whether this will also have some sort of "challenge" to it, at least when one tweaks some settings. EU4/Stellaris are mildly challenging at least in the beginning of a game, but I didn't find that in CK2.
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inz




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Aug 2020 00:24    Post subject:
Prandur wrote:
I wonder whether this will also have some sort of "challenge" to it, at least when one tweaks some settings. EU4/Stellaris are mildly challenging at least in the beginning of a game, but I didn't find that in CK2.


Yeah I suppose the more difficult starts (less prestigious noble title, less holdings, less heirs etc.) are good early on but once you learn how to game the system you're usually just fine even in those, barring some catastrophic RNG. I guess in a way CK2 already had such challenges, in form of its achievements, but integrating those further into the game somehow could be neat.
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Morphineus
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Aug 2020 01:32    Post subject:
The problem with paradox games (HoI had the same), you always find a boat load of ways to cheese it.
So yeah I doubt there'd be much challenge to be had once you put some time into it.


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AKofC




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Aug 2020 12:39    Post subject:
Thanks! Vids are looking good and they've added more depth to old systems. How deep remains to be seen but I'm optimistic.

The stress system is a good improvement I believe. Should force you to play to your character's traits which could help with the challenge.

But how challenging the game is really depends on how good they can make the AI.

If there's one thing I'm hoping they improve it's the AI. Big part of how easy CK2 is because of how the AI works against itself. Either by marrying random lowborn couriers or by sending the better trait/stats sons off to become bishops and just leaving some shit trait son as heir. Or by sending the son off to become a bishop so that his 1 year old kid becomes heir to France when the current king is 60 and is afflicted with gout.

I don't think they'll be able to improve the AI much, but I do wish for it.

If the AI was less stupid, I think I could actually manage to stick to a tall playthrough, because as a vassal Duke, my liege always does dumb things that'll end up in a rebellion, his assassination, or some other thing that weakens the realm and I can't focus on building up my cities because of all the constant war that weakens the realm and makes it an easier target for claimants.


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Ke1N




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Aug 2020 12:53    Post subject:
I will definitely pick this up at a later date. I enjoyed what I played of Crusader Kings II but I just don't like Paradox's "game mode"l of releasing the game and then overpriced DLC's, it feels like you are playing less than half of the game on release.
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dethy




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Aug 2020 21:45    Post subject:
Yea, with paradox games, you gotta wait till they hit sale. There really isn't anything that that you should fear of missing out on. So as always, just wait. Not to mention bug fixes and such with patchings.


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bronson




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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Aug 2020 21:51    Post subject:


Sponsored content starting to come out. Looks good, but I'll have to get used to the new UI. Really off-putting for me. Reminds me of a mobile game.
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Aug 2020 22:20    Post subject:
lol, 6 minutes in and already incest ... definitely Crusader Kings


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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Aug 2020 00:41    Post subject:




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Ke1N




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Aug 2020 08:43    Post subject:
prudislav wrote:
lol, 6 minutes in and already incest ... definitely Crusader Kings


A true Crusader Kings experience, I wouldn't have it any other way Laughing
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Ke1N




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 17:53    Post subject:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/ijzwl7/crusader_kings_iii_review_thread/

The reviews are up, pretty good scores all across the board.
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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 18:03    Post subject:
From all the reliable sources. Laughing
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Ke1N




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 18:05    Post subject:
While I agree that these are not the most trustworthy bunch, the reviewer from RPS for example has played a huge amount of CK2 and has a good amount of knowledge. Also these were the only reviews that are up right now.
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djaoni




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 18:16    Post subject:
Ke1N wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/ijzwl7/crusader_kings_iii_review_thread/

The reviews are up, pretty good scores all across the board.


That doesn't bode well.
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bronson




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 18:31    Post subject:
The PC Gamer reviewer gave Imperator 92/100, so his opinion is meaningless. Laughing
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Reg67




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Aug 2020 18:55    Post subject:
I just hope Codex et al are back for this. These games are worth buying but not for a good while yet.
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zmed




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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 08:25    Post subject:




Glad it's on game pass, I don't have to worry about all the scene drama these days. Razz
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Morphineus
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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 08:56    Post subject:
Eh, I went with the royal deluxe whatever version. Was only 9€ in Messi land. I'm sure I can at least get that amount of enjoyment out of it.


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mtj




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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 08:59    Post subject:
What time is it out today? Stuck in work until 1800 cet.


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Ke1N




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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 10:07    Post subject:
It says 10 hours on the Steam page, so I guess it unlocks in 10/11 hours from now.
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 10:25    Post subject:
Bought it on steam, but will play in game pass first and then I see if I want to keep it on steam or not (because of cheap price + expansion pass).
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 10:30    Post subject:
zmed wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SykKUjJOTw8



Glad it's on game pass, I don't have to worry about all the scene drama these days. Razz


wut its on game pass too?

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oblaz




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PostPosted: Tue, 1st Sep 2020 14:41    Post subject:
I'm dissapointed that it's not released yet Sad Cool
Playing CKII till release time of ISOdemo Very Happy
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