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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Aug 2020 02:56    Post subject:
PDC tweaks, with a couple of hundred points gain here Wink

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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Aug 2020 21:29    Post subject:
So, do I go 3950X or 10900K? I'm leaning toward the latter (mostly for game performance) - but AMD is going strong rn, so I'm not sure.


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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Aug 2020 21:41    Post subject:
fisk wrote:
So, do I go 3950X or 10900K? I'm leaning toward the latter (mostly for game performance) - but AMD is going strong rn, so I'm not sure.


Do you only game? Intel
Do other stuff ( photoshop, code, etc )? AMD
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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Aug 2020 21:44    Post subject:
fisk wrote:
So, do I go 3950X or 10900K? I'm leaning toward the latter (mostly for game performance) - but AMD is going strong rn, so I'm not sure.


Give it a few months wait until AMD releases Zen3. It can beat Intel in gaming as well.


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Aug 2020 08:58    Post subject:
Current zen does not have any problems running games, even at 144hz.
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Aug 2020 14:58    Post subject:
still Intel beats AMD on max frames

BUT

new consoles have multi cores -> new games will use more cores better
thus in the long run AMD will be more bang for your buck

I will probably sell my 3900X and jump on Zen3
outside the temp reporting issue and the virtualization disabling AMD's own software monitoring tools - I don't have any complains


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and yes, mine is only average


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Aug 2020 16:29    Post subject:
Laughing

Omg, games compiled with Intel compiler have 193 fps instead of 188 fps on AMD CPUs. That's a win for Intel! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Aug 2020 17:39    Post subject:
Frame Rates Matter.

5 more is like +2 cm on your unit. Milfs in your location are looking for a Nigerian prince to invest in bitcoin and deliver your parcel.


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Aug 2020 17:43    Post subject:
Laughing


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Aug 2020 19:58    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
Laughing

Omg, games compiled with Intel compiler have 193 fps instead of 188 fps on AMD CPUs. That's a win for Intel! Very Happy


Every extra fps can matter if you game on 144Hz @ 1440p. Smile



Sure it depends on the game engine and such but still there are games where many of us would prefer every extra fps you can have out of your rig.


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Aug 2020 22:04    Post subject:
Good thing that I'm still a 1080peasant Laughing
Might as well as wait for those new ryzen's... will they still launch this year?


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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Aug 2020 22:15    Post subject:
escalibur wrote:
Every extra fps can matter if you game on 144Hz @ 1440p. Smile

Show me a modern game with a proper engine that is CPU bound at that framerate and resolution. Laughing FC5 engine must really be retarded to have such a huge difference.
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Aug 2020 22:40    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Wed, 12th Aug 2020 23:06    Post subject:
Listening to Reddit for advice Laughing Laughing
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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Aug 2020 06:04    Post subject:
Yup, getting there, under '70', and I'll call it quits Wink

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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Aug 2020 11:34    Post subject:
What must be under 70? The number of processes?



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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Thu, 13th Aug 2020 23:54    Post subject:
Areius wrote:
What must be under 70? The number of processes?



Jesus! That must be a fresh Win10 install Razz Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Aug 2020 13:06    Post subject:
A year old or so, but I usually have quite some things running. I haven't bought this new CPU to let it idle all day, unlike some Laughing


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scaramonga




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PostPosted: Sun, 16th Aug 2020 00:07    Post subject:
Areius wrote:
A year old or so, but I usually have quite some things running. I haven't bought this new CPU to let it idle all day, unlike some Laughing


No, but when I'm using nothing, I really like it to 'idle', and do nothing Wink
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PostPosted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 20:21    Post subject:
why would u settle for such performance hit when a cheaper device thats maybe two-three times the size can get full performance ,next gen and use high speed memory like a champ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=w6HpfIcVfTA&feature=emb_title

RYZEN 4750G + DeskMini A300 DDR4-3600-3800-4000MHz FCLK 2200MHz

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PostPosted: Sun, 23rd Aug 2020 22:21    Post subject:
That's what I built, A300 + 3400G and it's very fast.

Didn't ASRock pull support for AMD 4000 though?
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asrock-pulls-amd-ryzen-4000-support-from-deskmini-a300-mini-pc
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Mon, 24th Aug 2020 22:18    Post subject:
i ment compared to that tiny mini ryzen

but yes the onboard gpu potential alone combined with faster ram makes mini pcs with soldered on nuc stuff really meh in my eyes when something just twice the size gives u tons of freedom and custom parts to pick from

they pulled it cause they making a new a300 lol, but beta bios seems to work fine and still on the internet
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Aug 2020 10:01    Post subject:
Hello everyone,
I'm pretty much out of the game concerning new CPU techs as I'm still using an old Intel 4570. I'm looking into upgrading my PC to current standards and buying a new GPU hopefully next week when nvidia announces their new cards. Since my CPU gets old (playing Flight Simulator was horrible with my specs...), I'd like to update it too.
I was thinking of waiting for the new Ryzen 4000 but I'm starting to find it takes too long for announcements to come out. Therefore, I'm looking into the competition, namely the 10700k.

What do you guys think about that one ? I read it was overheat problems with stock cooling so I'll put an aftermarket cooler on top of it.
I also read that Intel would be better than AMD for gaming ? Keeping in mind that I'm playing at 1440p on a 144Hz monitor but not competitive games like CS/BF/COD etc...
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PostPosted: Tue, 25th Aug 2020 14:20    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
For a Gaming PC that is not mobile (not a NUC, not a Laptop), you don't go with Ryzen 4000.

Just take any 6/12 or 8/16 or 12/24 core "normal" Desktop CPU from AMD that fits the depth of your pockets.

Well pax you have to consider the following. There are currently Mobile 4000 series (f.e. 4500u; based on zen2), then there are current APU 4000 series (f.e. 4700g; still based on zen2 series) but there are going to be zen 3 desktop 4000 series, which bolaras might be refering to when he states that he is waiting for them. Technically you'd have to wait for the 4700g too as it is just sold out, but I don't think he meant those CPUs.


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PostPosted: Wed, 9th Sep 2020 04:46    Post subject:
https://www.servethehome.com/amd-psb-vendor-locks-epyc-cpus-for-enhanced-security-at-a-cost/

To any moron saying “aMd sUpPoRtS OpEn pLaTfOrMs”, there you go. This is absolutely horrible for open computing.
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