They are just OK, if you haven't bought into AMD already, as they are priced exactly the same, while previous variants get a small price drop, so one may as well get the new type, whilst no loss if you have original.
Where are all the cheap second hand Intel i7 8- and 9-series CPU's now that new generations have been released since quite a while back? I was thinking of replacing my i5-8400 with something like an 8700K or 9700K so I can get a major boost with OC'ing.
I take it the 9700K will on average clock higher while lacking H/T (which I don't really care about) while also having easier heat management?
But when I compare the 8600K with the 8700K the difference is basically H/T while the price difference is over 30%. But at the same time it's still a 6-core/6-thread CPU just like my i5-8400, just unlocked. I'd really like to move to an 8-core 9-series CPU but that means the 9700K and they're (for me since I'm as always very very strapped for cash/low income) way expensive still.
User-case:
Some gaming, some content creation (esp. music which includes software instruments etc. that use CPU) and various general purpose computing.
Current setup:
ASUS ROG STRIX Z370 Gaming-H (updated to latest bios, can take 9-series CPU's)
Intel i5-8400
4x4GB DDR4 (yes yes, I know that 2x8 would've been better for OC'ing and 1T instead of 2T but beggars can't be choosers)
Geforce 1060 6GB O/C
Samsung 840 Evo 250GB SSD
OCZ Vertex4 SSD
Corsair RM750 PSU
Corsair H100i AIO cooler with 2x Noctua fans
Fractal Design R-something (quite old but still fine)
Happy with 1080P so GPU is still very adequate for my needs with the overclocks I reach. I don't need the best (and I can't afford high-end stuff anyway).
I do have a lot of older stuff laying around (GPU's, cases, CPU's, motherboards etc.) that I plan on testing, cataloguing and selling to help me get some of the cash needed to upgrade. I overclock basically everything that is overclockable to get the most out of what I have.
No plans on moving to AMD (since I'd need to replace the new motherboard it's simply not an option, I'm brand-agnostic).
I guess the question is if I should go for the 6c/12t 8700K or the 8c/8t 9700K and where I can find an affordable one.
I want to overclock to get 10-30% more performance for the money. Besides, from what I've read about the 9700F it's terrible value and the performance difference is actually negligible relative to the price difference. When it comes to non-K 8- and 9-series the turbo boost difference is pointless since the top-boost clock is for a single core/thread and even if you run a single threaded game/app other cores/threads on the system is used so you'll end up never ever hitting the top boost clock (which is a marketing trick).
The 9700F and the 8400 are basically the same with the 9700 having 2 extra cores (and cache for those cores) with a +2 multiplier. Simply not worth it. I need a K-CPU that I can overclock to reach high multi-core frequency which is what matters. Even an 8600K that is basically nothing more than an unlocked 8400 would be a better choice than a non-K 9700 since I should be able to reach up to 5GHz on all cores on that one which is 1GHz per core higher than on the 8400 and 700MHz/core on the 9700/F.
My bad. I thought with the board you have ( Z370 ) it'll automatically boost ( turbo) the CPU no matter if it's unlocked or not ( I'm on AMD platform ).
i would not take anything below 6 cores / 12 threads for gaming now.
I could have gone with a 3600X (6/12) when choosing my parts a few months ago but finally went with an 8-core/16-thread (3700X). The thing is largely underutilized by any modern game right now but I rather not have to replace it in a good bunch of years, I'll just swap the gfx a few times.
So is there a significant single thread/core improvement from 3900X when compared to the lower specced 3700's and 3800's? I'll need it for my gamebryo addiction, but not so much that I'm willing to burn money with intel's CPU's... I think
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
i would not take anything below 6 cores / 12 threads for gaming now.
The i5-9600K is 6c/6t, the 9700K is 8c/8t (and the 9700K is still fairly expensive in my case) so they're out. I guess the 8700K would be the obvious choice if I could find it for a good price. However, it's been a while so I'll have to do some research on how much more faster/effective 6c/12t is compared to 8c/8t in my combined user case. Remember, I'm still on a 1060 6GB @ 1080p so I'll never push modern GPU-heavy games to the max. I also need to do research (again, I did all this research 12-18 months ago but have forgotten all the details) on overclockability of the 8700K vs 9700K and if my Corsair H100i will be enough to cool those CPU's. My locked i5-8400 could probably work just fine with a heatsink and case-fans (I'm just overclocking each core by 100MHz via base clock OC which maxes out at 102.3, hard locked by Intel). And the 10K-series obviously don't work on Z370-based boards so they're out of the question.
On the other hand, I still don't have any CPU-performance issues in the games I DO play (Forza Horizon 4, Control - Foundation, Metro Exodus: DLC's).
Then keep your setup, save some money and buy some AM4 system later in the year.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
Won't happen. I don't have the economy to save up for new board + CPU, I'm living on the margins as it is (fucking student loans haunting me). I don't have a talent to make money either, it's not my forte.
If you’re playing on a 60 Hz Monitor and you don’t really need every last frame in a CPU limit, I’d think your CPU is still good enough. 10-20% OC will not make any difference since you will always be in a GPU limit with that 1060 and if your game is not in a GPU limit with a 1060 then it will already run so fast its going to be good enough.
I wouldn’t bother if I were you.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
why dont u get one of those cheap sixcore xeons from alibaba for 30-40 ish usd and oc that ?
ur better off selling ur whole rig or memory/cpu/mobo while u still get some money for ur intel junk, by thjis time next year second hand intel prices will have schrunk massively when amd completely takes over budget zone
its very basic thought process, replace old stuff with new budget price performance stuff that has warranty to reduce loss of value over time AND diminsih the risk of getting totally fucked if a component breaks on u
that way u never really lose much money as the best price performance components dont drop much in price over time and ur ass is covered when something breaks
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Just keep that system. 6c/6t Intel are totally fine on any mid-tier system for gaming.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
As mentioned on another post a friend gave me a 1950x threadripper. After doing some research and discovering I can only upgrade to the 2nd gen chip and the limitation to PCI E 3.0 am I better off building an AM4 socket system vs the TR4 socket? My i5 is 10 years old I do not upgrade much which makes me a little nervous building a system that locks me into older tech with no path for upgrades.
Looking at the benchmarks there doesn't appear to be any benefits of the threadripper vs say a 3600xt?
As mentioned on another post a friend gave me a 1950x threadripper. After doing some research and discovering I can only upgrade to the 2nd gen chip and the limitation to PCI E 3.0 am I better off building an AM4 socket system vs the TR4 socket? My i5 is 10 years old I do not upgrade much which makes me a little nervous building a system that locks me into older tech with no path for upgrades.
Looking at the benchmarks there doesn't appear to be any benefits of the threadripper vs say a 3600xt?
If you are going to play some games the 3600 will be much quicker.
As mentioned on another post a friend gave me a 1950x threadripper. After doing some research and discovering I can only upgrade to the 2nd gen chip and the limitation to PCI E 3.0 am I better off building an AM4 socket system vs the TR4 socket? My i5 is 10 years old I do not upgrade much which makes me a little nervous building a system that locks me into older tech with no path for upgrades.
Looking at the benchmarks there doesn't appear to be any benefits of the threadripper vs say a 3600xt?
If you are going to play some games the 3600 will be much quicker.
Thanks, I have been racking my brain to find some justification to build the system with that chip and so far I haven't been to excited about it. I will also save around $100 building the AM4 rig vs. the TR4 system.
So ended up going to Micro Center yesterday and left with a 3600XT, Asus Tuf X570 Plus, 32 gig DDR4 3600 and a 1 TB Inland Premium M.2, reused my 1080 SC2, corsair H750i power supply and put everything in the Lian Li Lancool II case.
Getting an OS in the computer was a bit of a PITA, my plan was to install win 7 and upgrade to windows 10 because that loop hole is still open. Well that didn't happen, even though the board has USB 2.0 headers and a PS2 port I couldn't get a mouse or keyboard to work at the win 7 install screen.
Thankfully this morning one of the guys who works for me gave me a win 10 home license from his MDSN account which solved all of my problems.
Going from a case that is 10 years old to one that has cable management was interesting as well, cable management is nice but requires you to put some though into the design.
An interesting observation straight out of the box it was OC'd to 4.5 GHz due to the performance boost override that explained the 150-160° F idle temps, shut that off and did a mild OC of 4 GHz now it idles around 115°.
Running Assetto Corsa Competizione at 1440p the temps were ~145° compared to my old 2500k OC'd to 4.3 GHz cooled by the H80i v1 it would run at ~125° at 1080p.
Forza 7 set to epic was running around 140° so a 15-20° increase going from a 4 core 4 thread chip to a six core 12 thread on air is a bit of a surprise.
All in all not a bad upgrade.
Any tips for this chip? This is my first AMD build in 13 years. What cooler is everyone running I am leaning towards the Noctua NH-U12A
The lone sata cable is for my dvd drive, i guess the younger crowd doesn't need an optical drive in a case anymore.
Noctua NH-D15 Chromax Black. It's an AMD so it'll get pretty hot. It'll fit your tower since yours holds up to 176mm and the NH-D15 CB is 165mm (Unless ya move the fan above your RAM a bit up to fit in).
Dual Tower CPU Cooler will help a ton to prevent the CPU to ever hit the 95C temps (My Noctua NH-U12S CB reaches 86C on Handbrake so....The DTower should shave off around 10Cs maybe)
The rest looks wonderful. Since ya own the same MoBo i suggest ya to update the BIOS to the 1407 version (Pretty stable for me , no issues, but i do NOT overclock.. Don't try to overclock). It'll help booting times a lot (around 35sec the moment you press the power button till ya reach the desktop (if auto login))
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