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Sin317
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| JHawkins wrote: | | Sin317 wrote: | | I don't know what they're crying about... 2100Pesos is still only half of what it would cost me here in Switzerland... |
Average Monthly Wages in Argentina 60.000 to 75.000ars (850 to 1063$)
Average Monthly Wages in Switzerland 10.300CHF (10.900$) |
Average monthly wages in Serbia 50000RSD (around 450€). Price of games in Serbia same as EU.
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demde
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Jul 2020 11:30 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | Guess where I live  I'm not poor, but I am not rich. I'm not even middle-class, lol.
And don't even get me started on living costs... we pay over 1200CHF a month for healthcare (mandatory base health insurance, 3 people in the household). 1300 for rent... |
Oh, please... Your idea of "not even middle-class" is VERY different than other EU countries'. 
You don't want to know what people in a country like Romania can tell you about 'living costs' or what 'not even middle-class' means.
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On the matter specifically:
I don't think this will be blocked by Valve. It's already part of the economy and changing this will have a drastic impact on everyone. And this situation is not involving only Valve, but the developers also. And most of them ARE AWARE of world economics, poverty and all the bullshit happening. That's why, I bet, they rather have someone buy their game for 8-16 USD / EURO than not buying it al all.
Because the vast majority of the people buying the games at 'discount' are doing it so because they can't afford it otherwise. Let's not forget that we are living on a planet where 1 out of 8 people is still struggling to get food and 70% of the population is living with under 10k USD a year...
So, yea... if they change this and reach further into the people's pockets, they might have a big surprise: there's nothing more there. |
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VonMisk
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Jul 2020 11:54 Post subject: |
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I think for Valve 30% of lowly peso is better than 30% of 0 dollars or euro.
Anyway most AAA publisher are seeing the situation and are monitoring reddits and such and modify their price to be the same everywhere. EA, Ubi, CAPCOM etc. are priced pretty high so if you are into AAA, Argentina isn't that special. The change happened around Winter Sale I think.
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Jul 2020 12:56 Post subject: |
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They also raised the price in UK. I doubt there’s ppl vpning to buy with £ prices. They just looked at sales and realized they can ask for more, probably
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Jul 2020 20:41 Post subject: |
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They givin' Zero Damns for the poorer.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2020 04:13 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2020 08:29 Post subject: |
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The article is bullshit. The price increase has nothing to do with VPNS .
Horizon is priced at $20 at playstore (USA).
So it looks like it's a rather primitive marketing scheme: "Hey, we are releasing this cool game for you, PC gamers, but, did you know you could buy it much cheaper for our PS4 console!?? And we have lots of exclusive shit as well!"
PS Sony is selling new PS4 AAA games in Russia for $48-55 . 
And they have increased prices for some games to $62.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2020 10:19 Post subject: |
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globalization is good and nice as long as only the big corporations do it, beware the dude around the corner though! he is the destroyer of whole ecosystems in poor countrys through evil vpns!
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prudislav
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2020 10:39 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2020 10:48 Post subject: |
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What does that mean for people who have already done it?
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2020 10:51 Post subject: |
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Imagine this in our dystopian future...
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A woman walks into a hair salon. The hair stylist scans her, discovers she lives in a rich part of Berlin, and says her services will cost 50 EUR.
A while later, another woman walks into the same salon. The hair stylist scans her as well, discovers she's from a poor part of Berlin, and says her services will cost 35 EUR instead.
Finally, a third woman walks into the salon, and the scan reveals she's visiting from Argentina. The stylist says she'll charge her 20 EUR for the same services.
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If you think that's fair, then kudos to you. I'd say it's a classical case of discrimination, and that regional pricing for online products should be gone altogether. It's roughly equivalent to adjusting your prices based on statistical data on income, meaning that one could use the same reasoning to argue that prices should differ between genders or races (which is completely wrong imo  ).
The only valid reason for price differences is when you have to pay different salaries for people in different countries (e.g., different costs in supermarkets), but that's not the reason for price differences on online platforms such as Steam.
Anyway, /rant off
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russ80
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2020 10:52 Post subject: |
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They can eat a shit. Already bought it on ps4.. as if id pay almost full price for this on pc.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2020 11:03 Post subject: |
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| Mister_s wrote: | | What does that mean for people who have already done it? |
Nothing as long as they don't force ppl to their real region at login your account will stay Argentinian.
I personally never used a vpn to buy anything just to change the store region once.
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Sin317
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2020 12:16 Post subject: |
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Same. Used VPN once and that's it. if it gets changed back automatically, so be it.
Cheap prices just means buying a lot of shit I'll never ever play anyway...
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2020 12:46 Post subject: |
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| h0rnyfavn wrote: | The article is bullshit. The price increase has nothing to do with VPNS .
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Exactly, the price was increased in UK as well. This is the usual corporate greed.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2020 12:58 Post subject: |
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| Prandur wrote: | Imagine this in our dystopian future...
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A woman walks into a hair salon. The hair stylist scans her, discovers she lives in a rich part of Berlin, and says her services will cost 50 EUR.
A while later, another woman walks into the same salon. The hair stylist scans her as well, discovers she's from a poor part of Berlin, and says her services will cost 35 EUR instead.
Finally, a third woman walks into the salon, and the scan reveals she's visiting from Argentina. The stylist says she'll charge her 20 EUR for the same services.
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If you think that's fair, then kudos to you. I'd say it's a classical case of discrimination, and that regional pricing for online products should be gone altogether. It's roughly equivalent to adjusting your prices based on statistical data on income, meaning that one could use the same reasoning to argue that prices should differ between genders or races (which is completely wrong imo ).
The only valid reason for price differences is when you have to pay different salaries for people in different countries (e.g., different costs in supermarkets), but that's not the reason for price differences on online platforms such as Steam.
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so, you want the poor woman or the woman from arg to buy 50 Euro too?
what is whats happening, so fuck that i take that scanner and inject me some arg dna or shit anyday over this fucking greed.
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Well, still with AR dolla currency and the wallet is still there (only used the VPN once, as one should  ). Still, even if I'm somehow kicked back to portulol... fuck 'em.
Went back to full pirate a couple of years back, anyway.
But can't play the latest trendy always online games and always connected ubigarbage, oh noes 
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VonMisk
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2020 14:05 Post subject: |
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Probably black... I mean banned some range of IP addresses. Still in ARG, still can add peso to steam wallet.
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prudislav
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Jul 2020 14:15 Post subject: |
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harry_theone:
well looking at steamforums aka the place where this started ... it all started with some guy bosting about VPNing it through friend in Argentina and american kids whining that poor counties have it cheaper with "if i cant have it , noone can" attitude
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spajdr
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So .. Can I still send a gift card from UK account to ARG account and use it?
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