The Great is a satirical comedic drama that follows the unlikely rise and spectacular reign of feminist trailblazer Catherine the Great, the longest running female leader in Russian history. The series stars Elle Fanning as Catherine, Nicholas Hoult, Phoebe Fox, Adam Godley, Gwilym Lee, Charity Wakefield, Douglas Hodge and Sacha Shawan.
The Great is created, written and executive produced by Oscar-nominated writer Tony McNamara (THE FAVOURITE)
this one has the writer of the favourite but not the director, that one had negatives because it wasnt your normal history movie, same as this, and that it has some dark/cruel type humour. like armando iannucci, tony mcnamara seems to be a writer to look after future projects.
Empress, I will unprise my member.
Let me lie here a little and gather my energies, before I unleash a storm of passion!
why would i be interested in getting a lecture about how bad men are or how it's important to be inclusive of transsexuals similar deranged crap? it's hardly why i watch movies or series.. "woke" and "good" = oxymoron. it's also brainwashing, you'll obviously be affected if you watch too much of that crap and especially if you aren't thinking critical about the messages.
care to give an example of rick and morty having an agenda? must have missed that, though some episodes i've skipped because they were boring.
why would i be interested in getting a lecture about how bad men are or how it's important to be inclusive of transsexuals similar deranged crap? it's hardly why i watch movies or series.. "woke" and "good" = oxymoron. it's also brainwashing, you'll obviously be affected if you watch too much of that crap and especially if you aren't thinking critical about the messages.
care to give an example of rick and morty having an agenda? must have missed that, though some episodes i've skipped because they were boring.
you're assuming that a woke show is instantly lecturing you.
it isn't the case. Woke is a recent term, how it's used in the media but it's been around for a long long time under the guise of "progressive"
Key and Peele was a woke show.
Broad City as well.
New Girl till it turned political.
Criminal Minds.
Any show with a strong female lead is a woke show.
Any show with a predominantly gay cast is a woke show.
Any show with a strong black male/female is a woke show.
So on and so forth.
Not a woke show is friends, cheers, sinefeld, curb your enthusiasm, fraiser
so on and so forth.
The wire is an example of a woke show.
you got a diverse cast. Strong black characters.
But alas it's a very liberal/progressive show. So... it's woke.
lecturing shows suck. and rick and morty got woke around s03.
focus on female writers/female story tellers/directors/story artists/tranny cast/crew became a huge pr hit and lotta anti-woke fags got mad that they were ruining the show.
you're assuming that a woke show is instantly lecturing you.
Yes, that is how the term is used. It means agenda is first, story, lore, characters is secondary.
In the more extreme cases we've seen in the recent year with Dr. Who and many, many other shows they do not even care about having viewers or about reviews, about profit. It's 100% about trying to brainwash and sometimes even trolling and pissing on previous fans.
You can certainly have an all-black cast or a show about transsexuals or strong women which isn't the least Woke. But only if it makes 100% sense and it's well written and not lecturing. No one would call such a show Woke (unless they're clueless and don't understand what it means).
Wire is a good example of a show with really well written characters (blacks, women) that obviously isn't Woke at all, it's just a well written show where these characters makes sense. Even if the creator of that show wanted these people just for diversity it isn't Woke, because it's never on-the-nose and they are well written, they make sense. Big difference. Woke people would most likely call such a show "racist" because it's not lecturing enough, not showing all blacks and women as oppressed, or not having enough real-world politics (such as having anti-Trump themes and similar which is common for woke shows)
So you do get my point.
Wokeness doesn't matter.
What matters is if it's good or not.
If it lectures you or not
If its shit you can blame it for being woke.
Or if it's shit you can blame it on the creative team working on it.
Cause everything is progressive.
Everything is woke.
Target audience matters. If it's social media vocal minority, they won't watch it, and show won't get 2nd or 3rd season. So no point with many shit shows. Dr who is getting a rebrand. Audience is drifting away that's why they're bringing in old doctors/favourites to get people and get ratings.
Crew behind some of your fav shows are very progressive and very woke mostly cause to get anywhere in Hollywood or on TV you need to be. You have to be accepting, tolerant, progressive, woke. Does a show suffer from that? Depends if they have the balls to risk their job and go to hr and complain.
Like a scene with some white guy screaming the n word at some black actor and lighting tech who's black complains - line may get rewritten unless it's crucial, and the team working on the show will look at it as a waste of time and effort and lighting tech might lose their job. However if line is crucial and context matters lighting tech will get replaced for being a fucking idiot and stalling the shoot. Time is money. But also is someone feels offended it'll cause bad pr during an ad run and it'll bomb/cancel before coming out.
Example: console game release ion storm. Lotta "woke" racists are mad.
Actors not so much. Though less woke you are, less work you get regardless how good you are. Especially in Hollywood. It's different in other places cause freedom of ideas is valued. You'd have to fuck up real hard as an actor in france/uk/sweden/Germany to never get work again.
Also David Simon has a hate boner for Trump. If wire was made today you'd see a Trump like character. Veep had a Trump like character in latter seasons. Didn't hurt it. Avenue 5 has a Trump like character. Doesn't hurt it. It has to be well written for it to work.
Woke racists? okkkk. That was a lot of rambling and it doesn't go against anything i said in my post, it more goes against what you said earlier, that Wire is woke, now you've changed it to "it could be woke if it was made today." I can agree with that.
There are certainly degrees of wokeness, if it's just a scene or two then it can be acceptable if it's something really good otherwise) to absolute trolling/hating/pissing on fans... such shows should obviously be avoided, but no matter what they always seem to be getting a second season, no matter if ratings and views are down the drain.. these are shows which are very political and with hardcore activists behinds them, they're just in it for political reasons. The shows are not even made for profit (unless that profit comes from a third party, which we obviously will never know).
As for this show, i read a few IMDB posts, some say its woke because it's putting in today's politics / agendas in it... some others seems to be exaggerating a lot and calls it woke just because some men are evil in it..
finished and it was great until the end, was very surprised it was this good. hulu having some great shows recently.
i thought this was supposed to be a miniseries but seems they pitched the show as 6 seasons, can't wait for next season, ending was great.
it was strange seing elle fanning in this kind of role, guess she dosent want to be known as sweet and inocent but all of the actors did an amazing job, so many great wtf moments.
you dont know yet, only after you seen the whole series then you draw the conclusion if it was necessary or not, probably want to do like the crown. this is more about the jokes than pushing the story forward. the recent catherine the great from sky atlantic/hbo was so fail
Woke racists? okkkk. That was a lot of rambling and it doesn't go against anything i said in my post, it more goes against what you said earlier, that Wire is woke, now you've changed it to "it could be woke if it was made today." I can agree with that.
There are certainly degrees of wokeness, if it's just a scene or two then it can be acceptable if it's something really good otherwise) to absolute trolling/hating/pissing on fans... such shows should obviously be avoided, but no matter what they always seem to be getting a second season, no matter if ratings and views are down the drain.. these are shows which are very political and with hardcore activists behinds them, they're just in it for political reasons. The shows are not even made for profit (unless that profit comes from a third party, which we obviously will never know).
As for this show, i read a few IMDB posts, some say its woke because it's putting in today's politics / agendas in it... some others seems to be exaggerating a lot and calls it woke just because some men are evil in it..
oh dear me. you are aware that current woke assholes are the most racist folk you've ever seen? calling black folk who have a different opinion an uncle tom, a hard r n word, and lets not talk about gays who offend them. But besides the point. Nothing worse than a hypocritical ideologue.
You're the one missing the point. If the term woke how it is used today was dominating social influence then, the wire would most certainly be woke. Woke then meant progressive. And a lot of shows 90s+ became progressive and by today's standards woke. Some written in the background (diverse characters with real problems things normal america ignores and don't care about but at the end they care cause they smartly were taught a lesson)
You're just looking for shows that will lecture which i can name a few that no longer are on any radar cause they sucked and it was a hot topic at the time but forgotten since. Point is woke isn't BAD. Lecturing woke is shit. Crash lectured people on racism. Won an oscar for it. Movie came out before woke became a norm social term.
And i'm not disagreeing with you. at all. My point is WOKE isn't inherently bad. If it's well written and properly made it can be great. And it of course can be tragic horrible mess that cannot be watched or even stomached for how idiotic it is.
Back on topic. Watched first ep, loved it. Wife hated it. According to her it's not historically accurate at all and took a lot of liberties that any historian would know or anyone who studied history of that time would be shocked and feel insulted. But it is funny. One point that I learned is that Peter did not want a wife, but was forced into marriage. So first 5 minutes I had to hear a lecture about this. Lol. but it's great, funny and witty - so far.
You're the one missing the point. If the term woke how it is used today was dominating social influence then, the wire would most certainly be woke.
No, again, it's used to describe shows that are really out there and on-the-nose. Putting e.g anti-Trump messages into Fantasy. Progressive isn't necessarily bad, and that's more what you're describing as something that can still be good. Woke is something that is way beyond just being progressive (which nowadays is just a norm), that's why the term was coined, because it's something new that we haven't really seen before.
Whatever, we seem to agree on the whole and yes i agree that woke people are often racist too, it's obviously people who doesn't have a single muslim or black friend, or people who generally even talk to them, still they want to "represent" them. I just didn't get what you meant in that particular sentence.
why would i be interested in getting a lecture about how bad men are or how it's important to be inclusive of transsexuals similar deranged crap? it's hardly why i watch movies or series.. "woke" and "good" = oxymoron. it's also brainwashing, you'll obviously be affected if you watch too much of that crap and especially if you aren't thinking critical about the messages.
care to give an example of rick and morty having an agenda? must have missed that, though some episodes i've skipped because they were boring.
you're assuming that a woke show is instantly lecturing you.
it isn't the case. Woke is a recent term, how it's used in the media but it's been around for a long long time under the guise of "progressive"
Key and Peele was a woke show.
Broad City as well.
New Girl till it turned political.
Criminal Minds.
Any show with a strong female lead is a woke show.
Any show with a predominantly gay cast is a woke show.
Any show with a strong black male/female is a woke show.
So on and so forth.
Not a woke show is friends, cheers, sinefeld, curb your enthusiasm, fraiser
so on and so forth.
The wire is an example of a woke show.
you got a diverse cast. Strong black characters.
But alas it's a very liberal/progressive show. So... it's woke.
lecturing shows suck. and rick and morty got woke around s03.
focus on female writers/female story tellers/directors/story artists/tranny cast/crew became a huge pr hit and lotta anti-woke fags got mad that they were ruining the show.
I think Friends and even Seinfeld were quite woke. Friends had 3 strong female co-leads and even Seinfeld had at least one. Not to mention both had very goofy male counterparts.
Having strong female leads isn't woke! Friends is absolutely NOT woke, actually it must be triggering to snowflakes of today.
Yes. There's a huge difference between having e.g a strong and well written female character and just having some random fatso thrown in because "they need representation!" It's also ok to have dumb as fuck men, it all depends on how they're written, if it makes sense or if they're just there to hate on men (not the case in e.g Friends).
Recent star wars i a good example, fatso woman minority thrown in "just because".. Characters that aren't well written or makes a lot of sense.
Or the typical so called "Mary Sue" character who can do everything and just because of her sex or skin color, "well duh, she's a blackwoman, that's why she's so awesome you racist toxic male!" It's sloppily written identity politics. Anyone who's not been living under a rock has seen how extreme it has become in the recent 1-2 years.
We absolutely did not have Woke tv-series or movies forever.. Progressive yes, big difference.
Imho, Progressive, and "Woke" are the same thing. The difference comes from the people who use them.
You, for example, seem to throw a tantrum, every time a female is the lead or female characters are inserted into something that you don't agree with .
Friends was progressive because there was no difference in what men or women could achieve. It seems like a no issue today, but 35 years ago, it was. The late 80'/early 90' were very progressive IMHO, aka WOKE. They just didn't know about that word back then.
Just look at all the tv shows we had in the '90s which had very strong female leads, or African American lead/cast, etc. Almost every show was "woke" back then, we just didn't have all the snowflakes back then, who just couldn't be happy with anything and always cried out in pain for any and all (un)injustice
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