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Publisher chooses some easy protection over starforce, game is cracked day after release and hundreds of thousands download and wont even consider buying. If they choose starforce, its pretty much assured (if enough spent) that it wont be cracked for a long time. Sure theres clones which people may or may not get to work anyway, but its not as big as cracked releases and just looking at download stats shows this. Obvious choice really, regardless of any stupid boycott which you think is having any effect for some reason.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 21:31 Post subject: |
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| |NFiNiTY wrote: | | Publisher chooses some easy protection over starforce, game is cracked day after release and hundreds of thousands download and wont even consider buying. If they choose starforce, its pretty much assured (if enough spent) that it wont be cracked for a long time. Sure theres clones which people may or may not get to work anyway, but its not as big as cracked releases and just looking at download stats shows this. Obvious choice really, regardless of any stupid boycott which you think is having any effect for some reason. |
Well, stupid or not, seems to be working. I don't see any SecuROM boycott, nor SafeDisc, nor Tages, nor......Maybe you didn't read my post above, but AOE3 did sell very well without being protected by SF. So that theory about people downloading it a day after the retail release without a strong protection is proven wrong (in fact, game got cracked and released days before retail, the worse case scenario for a publisher). And ffs don't give me that "you need a valid key to play online" crap. Game suports 8 players max, and there is also available a LAN option, besides the official servers. So everyone who thinks AOE3 sold over 1 million 'cause of the need for a legit cd key should really, really rethink their argument.
I don't like posts like "I hate SF. Nuke'em!", but nor do I like posts like "oh, without SF games wouldn't sell" . They're both just as wrong, to say at least.
Anyway, just out of curiosity, why do you like it so much?
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 23:55 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | -ubi financial report, which u clearly haven't even touched |
You clearly have not touched the latest report, which says the sale of Ubi games have increased by 35%.
| Quote: | | -personal experience in the pc games sector |
wow, i sure cannot argue with your psychic power.
| Quote: | prince of persia the two thrones
king kong
chaos theory
bia earned in blood
worms 4 mayhem
x3 reunion
codename panzers 2
(that's just for the big titles, i can list almost 25 decent games with starforce)
NONE of them ever entered the top 10 selling chart since april (chaos theory @ #7) |
Because of the simple fact that none of these are popular games.
| Quote: | wake up call...
i know is hard to face, but simply starforce is not a boost legit buyers and does not prevent any form on piracy i'm sorry man! ubi is already understanding this, codemasters seems blind, dijital jesters went bankrupt... cmon this is really funny |
It clearly prevent piracy since most SF3 protected titles have not been cracked. Companies like Sierra, which does not use SF protection, have already went out of business. In fact, the latest Ubi financial report shows a 35% increase in game sales. |
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 23:58 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Ok, I get the point, everything that sells well it's because of the online multiplayer. Even AOE3 (they should advertise that multiplayer part much more). |
Any idiot know that AOE3 supports multiplayer.
| Quote: | | And SF protected games don't sell that well 'cause of the boycott that stupid people like us are making? Right? Well, seems to me it's a no win situation for SF, 'cause the boycott is not getting smaller. I see people on Ubi forums,as well as other gaming forums, that explicitly said they are not buying anymore Ubi titles if they are protected by SF. |
So that's why Ubi soft just reported a 35% increase in PC game sale? |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 00:04 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I don't see any SecuROM boycott, nor SafeDisc, nor Tages, nor......Maybe you didn't read my post above |
There are.
| Quote: | | Maybe you didn't read my post above, but AOE3 did sell very well without being protected by SF. So that theory about people downloading it a day after the retail release without a strong protection is proven wrong (in fact, game got cracked and released days before retail, the worse case scenario for a publisher). |
Are you retarded? As I said, you need a valid AOE3 CD key to multiplay. No serious AOE3 player would want to miss multiplayer AOE3.
| Quote: | | And ffs don't give me that "you need a valid key to play online" crap. Game suports 8 players max, and there is also available a LAN option, besides the official servers. So everyone who thinks AOE3 sold over 1 million 'cause of the need for a legit cd key should really, really rethink their argument. |
LOL, why don't you go join your own Lan discussion board instead of BSing on this internet one? |
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TheDuck
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 00:09 Post subject: |
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Because of the simple fact that none of these are popular games.
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Please don't make yourself look like a fool, games are not popular when noone hears about them, more downloads, more users see it, more ppl go and buy it, those lies about lost sale per download are created by the poeple who earn on it.. make guess who they are. Personally I bought about 25 games in my life (I 'm not a gamer, doh) and guess how? Thanks to pirated copies... My first game was Age of Empires, I had pirated disc from a friend (from russia hehe) and I liked the game really much, so I bought it. Same for GTA, Worms and many more.
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It clearly prevent piracy since most SF3 protected titles have not been cracked. Companies like Sierra, which does not use SF protection, have already went out of business. In fact, the latest Ubi financial report shows a 35% increase in game sales. |
It does not mean anything, some games like POP have a strong fanbase and some of the users played POP2, it was protected with SD, now POP3 has SF, I bet they didnt like it.
And you need some wake up call, MOST of SF games were cracked (do not count non-english titles). |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 00:29 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Please don't make yourself look like a fool, games are not popular when noone hears about them, more downloads, more users see it, more ppl go and buy it, those lies about lost sale per download are created by the poeple who earn on it.. make guess who they are. Personally I bought about 25 games in my life (im not a gamer, doh) and guess how? Thanks to pirated copies... My first game was Age of Empires, I gad pirated disc from a friend (from russia hehe) and I liked the game really much, so I bought it. Same for GTA, Worms and many more.
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LOL, you sir are very dumb. By your logic, games like Monkey Island 4 should have been selling like hot cakes. Those lies about people buying games after they download them are created by p2p users. P2p benefits big companies like EA and Microsoft, because they have the financial power. Small independent development firms doesn't have such power. In the end, p2p will force all the small innovative comapnies out of business, and only big rich coporations will be left.
Funny, i bought Age of Empires because i enjoyed playing the Age of Empires demo.
| Quote: | | And you need some wake up call, MOST of SF games were cracked (do not count non-english titles). |
SCCT has been like year old, and nobody has cracked it yet. And it was one of the best selling PC games of the year. |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 00:33 Post subject: |
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Seems to me vodka got to your brains buddy. I suggest you stay away from it for a while. Insulting other people won't make you look more convincing.
You never heard of a free economy, did you? Some go out of bussines, some are successfull. Why should be gaming industry any different? Oh, I know, it's the pirates!
Ubi is starting to make most of its money from consoles, so yeah, overall they maybe reporting growth in profit, that doesn't mean PC games sales are going through the roof.
Looks like you and SF are having a happy marriage, I wish you many, many days together.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 00:40 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Seems to me vodka got to your brains buddy. I suggest you stay away from it for a while. Insulting other people won't make you look more convincing.
You never heard of a free economy, did you? Some go out of bussines, some are successfull. Why should be gaming industry any different? Oh, I know, it's the pirates! |
Free economy says companies can do whatever the hell they want to protect their own product. So what are you whining about?
| Quote: | | Ubi is starting to make most of its money from consoles, so yeah, overall they maybe reporting growth in profit, that doesn't mean PC games sales are going through the roof. |
And Ubi soft also reported very good sale of Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones.
| Quote: | | Looks like you and SF are having a happy marriage, I wish you many, many days together. |
I hope you and rich coporations live happily ever after.
BTW, i don't really care about legit customers complain about SF, i'm simply annoyed by p2p idiots who complain about SF3 just because it makes it more difficult for them to leech games. |
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TheDuck
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 00:55 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | SCCT has been like year old, and nobody has cracked it yet. And it was one of the best selling PC games of the year. |
Which year? I do not see it on best selling charts on the top.
Now, you call me dumb, but when you said most of SF games are not cracked and I said most of the games ARE cracked, you back down to come up with one title? Once again, SCCT like POP3 is just another sequel, so fanbase did the job, let's see how next part will sell, shall we? More than that, IT IS not best selling game, thanks for laughs tho. A little digression now, why do you think SCCT demo was not protected with SF when betas were? And Age of Empires, I played it before store date as usual, demo did not even exist then hehe. |
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Feb 2006 01:02 Post subject: |
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It seems to me that it isn't very difficult to play a SF clone these days, only an idiot couldn't do it, now after DT4 came out. Maybe when SF Cure was the only method it was more difficult.
FYI, Ubi is a giant too, you know? It doesn't fit in your "Small independent development firms" been pushed out of bussiness by the "p2p idiots".
BTW, Vodka Lord, can you make a point without insulting anyone?
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006 22:30 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Now, you call me dumb, but when you said most of SF games are not cracked and I said most of the games ARE cracked, you back down to come up with one title? |
I only gave one example, but if you want more ...
Peter Jackson's King Kong
Trackmania Sunrise
World Racing 2
Prince of Persia: The Two Thrones
Chrome Specforce
The Suffering: Ties That Bind
| Quote: | | IT IS not best selling game, thanks for laughs tho. |
Of course there are console versions of SSCT, so the sale of SSCT is divided for different platforms. Unlike AOE3, which is PC-only. So anyone who buy it must buy the PC version. Any idiot can figure this out.
| Quote: | | It seems to me that it isn't very difficult to play a SF clone these days, only an idiot couldn't do it, now after DT4 came out. Maybe when SF Cure was the only method it was more difficult. |
SF3 clone is easy to get working, so SF3 must not be very viral then. Since SF3 clone is so easy to play, it must mean that SF3 does not crash everyone's PC as you claimed it would.
| Quote: | | FYI, Ubi is a giant too, you know? It doesn't fit in your "Small independent development firms" been pushed out of bussiness by the "p2p idiots". |
FYI, UBi is a publisher that publishes many games developed by small development houses.
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006 23:38 Post subject: |
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| vodkaLord wrote: |
FYI, UBi is a publisher that publishes many games developed by small development houses. |
ubisoft has its own studios in europe and u.s. and canada (ex: Ubisoft Montreal)... many games are developed internally by ubi, as elettronic arts does (ex: splinter cell series, prince of persia series). any idiot can figure it out.
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 01:22 Post subject: |
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Did I say Ubi does not develop any game they publish? Nope, I said Ubi does not develop all games they publish. Learn to use your brain.
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| Posted: Mon, 20th Feb 2006 01:15 Post subject: |
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the only bad thing about starforce is that it takes like 30 sec to even start the game. apart from that, i had non problems with it.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Mar 2006 23:30 Post subject: |
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Considering one of the top gaming magazines has now chimed in saying StarForce will fuck over your hardware - albeit not in all cases and it may be fixable and not as bad as first thought - the protection is indeed SHIT for consumers. And StarForce's answer to consumers is usually "you're lying," "you're a pirate," or "it's a conspiracy against us and we're calling the FBI."
This is a JOKE of a company who is quickly going to burn itself out through poor consumer relations. You can cry all you want that StarForce isn't costing companies on game sales, but I personally have ZERO Starforce games bought OR downloaded, and I started that long before all the complaints.
Now legit mainstream press is in the act and on these jokers case.
The fact that SF3 does not crash EVERYONE's PC is irrelevant. If even .05% of the fucking cars FORD makes start exploding, there is a problem. Any protection scheme needs to operate at about 99.9% in regards to success rate. And if the problems caused are serious, that percentage had better get higher.
Game companies are going to see the bad press and start shying away from garbage that fucks over paying customers. If they don't, they're idiots. Galactic Civ II made StarForce look like a bad investment AND left them looking like juvenile amateurs. CGW makes it look like a risky, ill-tested product. StarForce games, for one reason or another, aren't selling any better than any other title.
That's three reasons not to invest with these idiots.
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lamgwin
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2006 12:30 Post subject: |
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Well i wont buy Starforce products anymore. All my drives give burn failures when the drivers are installed, when i remove them i can burn cd's again.
Protecting intellectual property by fucking up your OS and hardware is not really good for the industry. The marketing strategy of StarForce by declaring all people who complain to be pirates is just funny and won't stand at all in a court. The fact that i have to put my legally bought official cd in the tray 10 times before the game loads (because SF says it doesnt recognize the dvd) makes me very pissed off. Customers get smarter and if SF does not change this copy protection to be more user friendly in the end they will lose it.
I hope the game developers notice the good sales of Galactic Civilisations 2 with no copy protection at all. Yes, i buy games who put the customer first in line with a good game and an easy to use copy protection system and who doesnt treat me as a criminal who only wants to copy copy copy and makes it a whole task on itself to play a game - you used to have the minimum system requirements to play a game, nowadays you have to check the DRM it uses because a protection like StarForce will make you want to pull your hairs out, a shame. StarForce can cry all they want, use all those Eastern muscle marketing strategies they have, in the end you'll lose like you did already before, stupid commie thinking - "we know whats good for you, you dont know whats good for yourself" kind of strategy well fu.
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