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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 11:05    Post subject:
Fucking Intel!
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StrEagle




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 14:56    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
StrEagle wrote:
is this jaggedness of the cpu temp normal?

it sits at 45.. suddenly jumps to 55, the fan speed goes up, slowly the temp and fan falls to 45.. and repeat


Had the same shit on my 3800x. Go to your energy settings and chose the balanced profile.


didn't make any difference whatsoever


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and yes, mine is only average
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 15:19    Post subject:
Another Mainboard bites the dust Smile

Had a feeling, that I didn't apply the thermal paste evenly, was right about that, overdid it now and some little bit went under the CPU, no biggy, then I cleaned it and well, OF COURSE, I fucked up some of the contacts on the mobo... no more boot...

I just hope it didn't affect the CPU (shouldn't tho, right? Was only like 2 or 3 pins... and the mx4 is, afaik, not conducting, right?

Oh well, not wanting to change CPU (6700k), I already placed some bids on a couple 170 and 270 boards, lol.

Story of my life... there is nothing else I break as much, as mobos... bits of plastic, sockets, plugs.. whatever... If it can break, I'll break it eventually ^^

And yeah, I could fix the pins, but I have neither the patience nor the tools for that Smile I rather pay 20-30 bucks for a replacement Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 16:20    Post subject:
you can cover the whole socket with thermal paste without any problems.
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 16:40    Post subject:
Yeah, but you can't use paper to remove it from the pins, without some of them getting stuck in it and bending them Smile
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 17:27    Post subject:
the only time i broke a mobo is when the known shitty abit K green capacitators blew up in my face while i was fucking around with rgb neon light tubes in 2004 in the case while pc was on

they sent me 2 bags of capacitor replacements rofl , go ahead and resolder them all pffft fuck that shit.

i dont think ill use paste anymore in future, this piece of cloth thingy thats been around for a while now seems pretty good and way less messy. But not upgrading till like 2022 , right now is pointless
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 18:40    Post subject:
PickupArtist wrote:
this piece of cloth thingy thats been around for a while now seems pretty good and way less messy.


You are talking about thermal pads, right? What would be the best thermal reducing (I don't care if it should be renewed everytime you remove the fan) brand or model for a 9th Generation Intel i5? I'm searching for it on the webz but couldn't get a grip yet.
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 19:12    Post subject:


pads yes

pretty suprized its vids from 2018 im finding, i thought there was more recent ones, hope they didnt go out of business lol

best is not the right question, cheapest one that works is the question , best these days means paying 300% more for 5-10% diference
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 19:23    Post subject:
I honestly have no clue why 'thermal paste difficult' has been creeping up the past years.
It has stayed the same, maybe people got dumber I guess. Razz

They usually forget to mention with those thermal pads, how easy they shift and tear. But eh. Who wants detailed information.


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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 19:29    Post subject:
shift ? then the locking mechanism on the cooler is dogshit

its not difficult, its a mess and cleaning sux
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jackbomb




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 19:40    Post subject:
Ok, thanks. I've never had problems applying paste on CPUs, been working intermittently on IT. Problem is, even with the regular intel cooler and a brand new i5 9400F I get thermal spikes at 85-89ºC when using Handbrake. I suspect the pre-applied thermal paste on the regular intel cooler isn't enough. No OC, stock speeds. These pads seem interesting.


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 19:44    Post subject:
jackbomb wrote:
I suspect the pre-applied thermal paste on the regular intel cooler isn't enough.


*ding ding ding*

It never is. Ever. The stock cooler itself is god awful and shouldn't be used by anyone, at any time, for any reason... but that rock-solid goop they smear on the bottom of it? Should be classed as a crime.
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 20:48    Post subject:
stock cooler on my i7 920 was pretty shit but it was the plastic mounting mechanism that started to give out and actualy broke after a few years

the stock cooler on my i7 3770k is handing things fine

dunno if they cost cut further since, they seemed to get rid of the copper and made them smaller turning them into real shit last i saw

still both coolers allowed a half decent oc


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 20:56    Post subject:
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 20:58    Post subject:


yep they cut their stock coolers in half it seems and ripped out the copper, the greedy cunts

ud think they have an under the table agreement with cpu cooler manufacturers to profit twice, where they receive kickbacks for aftermarket coolers sold

my old thick stock cooler actually did the job

holy fuck, zip ties! , those can make me reuse my oldest one Razz


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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 21:01    Post subject:
ITT: people trying to tell me the Intel stock cooler is worth anything other than binning.

Nice try, but no.
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 21:12    Post subject:
Won the first out of my 3 bid, lol...

20€ for a

MSI Z170A PC MATE

Will do the job, but it's the least of my 3 choices lol...

the other 2 are:

ASUS H-170 Pro

Asrock Z270 Extreme4

I hope i get the ASROCK ofc, but it's at 30€ now (my bid) and some 4 days to go, lol.

Not gonna go over 50 Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 21:18    Post subject:
AMDs stock coolers aren’t that bad though I‘d never use one anyway.


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 21:26    Post subject:
I guess normally, someone who gets a new processor (and most likely mainboard, etc), will just take his/her old aftermarket cooler and put it on the new one Smile

But I guess it's ok to use the stock cooler just to POST once to see if everything works, before mounting everything Smile
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 21:31    Post subject:
PickupArtist wrote:
shift ? then the locking mechanism on the cooler is dogshit

its not difficult, its a mess and cleaning sux


It's a piece of cloth, ofcourse it will shift it does that already when you are just putting it on the cpu... have you even tried these things? Or just talking out of arse again?

I'm sure you could even find reviews on the things that mention it. Now did I have much problems with them? No... but we're talking about a so called solution for making it easier on the less technical people. And it comes with its own challenges.


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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 22:09    Post subject:
didnt intel also stop suppling stock coolers in the cpu boxes anymore, and amd still does have dcoolers in theirs? making amd that more value for money not requiring an extra cooler purchase
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 22:14    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
AMDs stock coolers aren’t that bad though I‘d never use one anyway.


The new Ryzen line are surprisingly good, the Stealth and Wraith, but their older ones - like what came with FX range - were no better than Intel Sad
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 22:29    Post subject:
Morphineus wrote:
PickupArtist wrote:
shift ? then the locking mechanism on the cooler is dogshit

its not difficult, its a mess and cleaning sux


It's a piece of cloth, ofcourse it will shift it does that already when you are just putting it on the cpu... have you even tried these things? Or just talking out of arse again?

I'm sure you could even find reviews on the things that mention it. Now did I have much problems with them? No... but we're talking about a so called solution for making it easier on the less technical people. And it comes with its own challenges.


I have used Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut pads, they are fucking pain in the ass to install atleast on a GPU (for cpu its easy), there is no way to tell if its the right place when you screw the cooler together, the pad itself slides like silk cloth on a glass surface, these things also are electrically conductive. They perform nicely on AMD gpu's with hotspot temperatures, but on a cpu its like 10c higher temperature than kryonaut paste, good thing is that you will not ever need to change it.
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2020 23:45    Post subject:
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Feb 2020 01:17    Post subject:
i honestly dont see the point of this liquid nythro stuff, rather see air attempts that consumers actually can mimmick
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Morphineus
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Feb 2020 03:18    Post subject:
It's just to see how far they can push it.
I mean I honestly don't see an appeal in speedrunning games but its a competitive thing like this and other stuff.


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Feb 2020 09:32    Post subject:
paxsali wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NQhTQIHs1E


In this episode Tech Jesus and American Odin is overclocking AMD's monster CPU with the power of extreme cold.
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Sin317
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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Feb 2020 08:38    Post subject:
So, in my eternal luck, I won 2 o my 3 auctions for each sub 25€...

Which to use:

ASUS H170 Pro
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/H170-PRO/specifications/
or
MSI Z170A PC MATE
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z170A-PC-MATE.html

I am guessing the MSI board, because of the apparent RAM speed limitations of the ASUS board?
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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Feb 2020 10:48    Post subject:
From Asus:

Quote:
* Due to Intel® chipset limitation, DDR4 2400MHz memory frequency is only supported by 7th Generation Intel® processors. Higher memory modules will run at the maximum transfer rate of DDR4 2400MHz.


WAT
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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Feb 2020 11:12    Post subject:
Yes, didn't understand that either. My 'broken/bend' board, An ASUS z170 pro gamer had my ram run at 3000mhz no problem
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