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Janz




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PostPosted: Fri, 1st Nov 2019 21:28    Post subject:
gigabyte released new non beta bios too now

Update AMD AGESA 1.0.0.4 B
Improve system boot time
Improve RAID function compatibility
Add AMD Raven Ridge APU (Ryzen 2400G/ 2200G) support

for my board, gonna try it now


edit: lazy assholes from gigabyte still hapened fix the laggy uefi when disabling csm..

boots faster yes, dunno how much. maybe 5 seconds faster, atleast something by now. cinebench results are the same as with the older agesa
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PostPosted: Sun, 3rd Nov 2019 12:17    Post subject:
Yeah the new bios is out for my x570 gigabyte elite.
Boot times are down from total of 30s to 22 (post screen from 18 to 10 seconds). That's quite an improvement and almost as fast as my 2500k build... getting there. No performance loss or any other issues.


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PostPosted: Thu, 7th Nov 2019 10:47    Post subject:
Beta of 1004 out for B450's from MSI.


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PostPosted: Fri, 8th Nov 2019 11:14    Post subject:


Amazing.
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PostPosted: Sat, 9th Nov 2019 02:33    Post subject:
Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun, 10th Nov 2019 11:41    Post subject:
1004B finally allows me to boot with RAM above 3600MHz, currently at 3733MHz 1T+GDM instead of 3600MHz 1T (without GDM). Gained about 2500MB/s read/copy at similar latency. Now let's see if it's all stable, initial quick test look promising (1000% coverage in RAM Test) Smile


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Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Nov 2019 16:06    Post subject:
AMD Ryzen 9 3950X



https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_9_3950x_review,1.html

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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Nov 2019 16:29    Post subject:
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This doesn't even come close. Jesus, that was LOUD!


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Nov 2019 18:06    Post subject:
Damn that is insane for the price, intel is fucked, personally im waiting the new threadrippers.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Nov 2019 18:39    Post subject:
What a mistake to limit this to 2 channel memory

And Threadripper seems much more expensive. I guess I’ll settle for some Intel XE.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Nov 2019 18:45    Post subject:
From AnandTech review:

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Because it is competing against Intel’s high-end Skylake Refresh desktop platform (comparing equal core count, rather than price), it can’t compete when AVX-512 is in play, or memory bandwidth is the limiting factor. At some level having this many cores requires extra memory bandwidth, and dual channel isn’t going to cut it. This is one of the downsides of moving ‘mainstream’ up to a HEDT price point, even if it does come with more cores.


https://www.anandtech.com/show/15043/the-amd-ryzen-9-3950x-review-16-cores-on-7nm-with-pcie-40/15

It feels to me like such an artificial limitation, not unlike the Intel limitations that so many people here despise (deservedly so).
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Nov 2019 21:47    Post subject:
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I guess I’ll settle for some Intel XE.

i9 10980XE is priced at ~$1000 USD
3950X is prices at ~$749 USD
3960X is priced at ~$1399 USD

Despite what the sensationalist titles, the 3950X doesn't "stomp" or "topple" over the i9-10980XE. They are very close. On the other hand, the 10980XE is much more future proof with its quad channel memory support. Coupled with games favoring Intel normally, the $250 USD is not that much of a big deal.

I'm sure the 3960X will be faster, but it's too expensive. Also, how much will the TRX40 motherboard cost compared to X299 motherboards, which are more readily available by now... 10980XE is PCIE 3 rather than PCIE 4, so there is that to consider too.

Also, and this is unrelated to Intel vs AMD, it's nice to see Thunderbolt 3 starting to be available on motherboards. Finally opens the door to 5K displays with modern connectors (that can be shared between Macs and PC).
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Nov 2019 09:25    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
LeoNatan wrote:
I guess I’ll settle for some Intel XE.

i9 10980XE is priced at ~$1000 USD
3950X is prices at ~$749 USD
3960X is priced at ~$1399 USD

Despite what the sensationalist titles, the 3950X doesn't "stomp" or "topple" over the i9-10980XE. They are very close. On the other hand, the 10980XE is much more future proof with its quad channel memory support. Coupled with games favoring Intel normally, the $250 USD is not that much of a big deal.

I'm sure the 3960X will be faster, but it's too expensive. Also, how much will the TRX40 motherboard cost compared to X299 motherboards, which are more readily available by now... 10980XE is PCIE 3 rather than PCIE 4, so there is that to consider too.

Also, and this is unrelated to Intel vs AMD, it's nice to see Thunderbolt 3 starting to be available on motherboards. Finally opens the door to 5K displays with modern connectors (that can be shared between Macs and PC).


Daymn, did not realize intel is putting out such CPU for that kind of price, that is nice, we can thank AMD. Why you are comparing mainstream socket to HEDT one tho? doesnt make any sense. Yes Threadripper is more expensive, but it´s much more powerfull due to having extra 6 core / 12 threads.

But yes, 3950X is odd CPU, don´t understand why AMD brought 16 cores / 32 threads to mainstream socket, they should have kept it in HEDT territory, would have been much better with quad channel memory aswell, not to mention they could have priced it very low along with the bigger brothers. One thing is funny tho, this thing consumes less wattages than intel 9900KS Laughing

i guess this is aimed for streamer gamers, very strong game performance along with shitloads of cores for high quality streaming.
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Nov 2019 12:15    Post subject:
3970X is already in pre order @ amazon.es (2.331,1€)


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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Nov 2019 13:40    Post subject:
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Daymn, did not realize intel is putting out such CPU for that kind of price, that is nice, we can thank AMD.


And that is amds major problem, their marketing department is total garbage and/or they arent spending enough money on it
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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Nov 2019 14:28    Post subject:
On hardware sites and stores there's plenty of AMD stuff going on, at least here and in Germany (I don't really check the rest).
Sales show it too.


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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Nov 2019 14:38    Post subject:
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Why you are comparing mainstream socket to HEDT one tho? doesnt make any sense. Yes Threadripper is more expensive, but it´s much more powerfull due to having extra 6 core / 12 threads.

But yes, 3950X is odd CPU, don´t understand why AMD brought 16 cores / 32 threads to mainstream socket, they should have kept it in HEDT territory, would have been much better with quad channel memory aswell, not to mention they could have priced it very low along with the bigger brothers. One thing is funny tho, this thing consumes less wattages than intel 9900KS Laughing

i guess this is aimed for streamer gamers, very strong game performance along with shitloads of cores for high quality streaming.

That's my problem exactly. It's massively overpowered for "gaemrz". It should have been a low-end Threadripper, rather than this AM4 limited monstrosity.
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2019 15:10    Post subject:


intel getting shredded a new one on ALL fronts, even the pr front haha, bunch of weasels. Linus should have sent back the cpu tbh if he really means what he says

their more expensive rehash with higher boost, performs SLOWER then their old cpu probably due to their recent vulnerabilities fixes

these boost clocks are soooo bullshit rofl ...
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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2019 15:18    Post subject:


Performance in applications.

Sure, you'll have to look at your wallet and specific profile to chose your CPU, but still.


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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2019 21:04    Post subject:


https://twitter.com/Thracks/status/1199001988782067723


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PostPosted: Mon, 25th Nov 2019 21:11    Post subject:
Waiting for Intel response, wonder how many gigglehertz they will overclock out of their next 9900XYZ model.
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