The Outer Worlds (Obsidian)
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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Tue, 29th Oct 2019 17:19    Post subject:
briangw wrote:
Mister_s wrote:
Stealing is also a joke, no NPC seems to give a shit.


They care the second time you steal something after being caught. I wiped out the shipping people at Fallbrook because someone saw me steal something on the roof the second time and then my companions start shooting back. Needless to say we ended up killing too many people to be forgiven so we pretty much destroyed any chance of befriending them again and closing their missions. Oh and we were shot on site at their office at the Groundbreaker station so wiped them out there too. Oops. Very Happy

I meant that you can go enter anywhere, close the door and loot. Simple as that. Even in dem olden rpgs you're told to fuck off when entering rooms.
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madmax17




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PostPosted: Tue, 29th Oct 2019 17:33    Post subject:
^ like in Gothic 1 Very Happy
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Cabola




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PostPosted: Tue, 29th Oct 2019 18:19    Post subject:
VonMisk wrote:
Cabola wrote:
I'm only having graphical issues when looking in the inventory, the character has a black shade all over so you can't really see what it looks like in the armor :/

Do you have AMD graphic card and newest drivers?

Yea am using AMD and have 19.10.2

H4wkeye wrote:
Cabola wrote:
I'm only having graphical issues when looking in the inventory, the character has a black shade all over so you can't really see what it looks like in the armor :/


You are probably on AMD GPU with latest drivers. Revert back to the last WHQL drivers and it works. I had the same issue.
Yea I'm using latest drivers because the WHQL gives a wrong version. But I'll try it..


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PostPosted: Tue, 29th Oct 2019 18:26    Post subject:
madmax17 wrote:
^ like in Gothic 1 Very Happy

It's sad when one thinks about it, just imagine young modern couchpeople trying to play Gothic 1/2. They start the game and have no pointers, no outlines, no free real XP estate, no proper weapons to even face a bunch of molerats, they find a hostile economy that requires fighting for scraps with a game over screen hiding at every corner because the world doesn't scale to your level.

Meanwhile here, two hours in and the player already fearlessly walks around holding a giant plasma cannon, with a few thousand bits inside his pockets and a collection of assault rifles for all the occasions. Laughing Razz



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PredOborG




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PostPosted: Tue, 29th Oct 2019 20:57    Post subject:
I admit I got too spoiled with pointers in today's games. When I played ELEX I raged when the quest arrows didn't point to the closest objective. I will probably lose it if I go back to Gothic 2. Sad Tho modern open world games have too big (and mostly empty or of little worth) areas and it would be super frustrating to play without map pointers or highlighted loot.
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PostPosted: Tue, 29th Oct 2019 21:21    Post subject:
Looks like something that would happen in Fallout 76 Laughing



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briangw




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PostPosted: Tue, 29th Oct 2019 22:08    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:

I meant that you can go enter anywhere, close the door and loot. Simple as that. Even in dem olden rpgs you're told to fuck off when entering rooms.


oh yeah, just like in the Fallout/Skyrim games. Problem is when those items are out in the open and you try to swipe them, everyone comes after you
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red_avatar




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PostPosted: Tue, 29th Oct 2019 22:19    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:

I stopped caring about loot and I don't eeven remember buying anything yet. The amount of random loot is idiotic IMO. Stealing is also a joke, no NPC seems to give a shit. I'm just playing it for the story now, which is enjoyable.
The amount of ammo you have is probably due to starting on normal yes. Enemies require a lot more ammo in the beginning on hard.


For me, difficulty should NEVER mean "bullet sponges" but should make you frailer so you end up as weak as the average grunt at the highest difficulty. Having to shoot for ages is just tedious and dumb. It's also VERY unsatisfying if you can't even take out the weakest enemy with a powerful headshot.

And yeah stealing is piss easy. I don't mind that much but there's too much useless crap to loot and not enough stuff to buy that make it useful. I mean, in games like Fallout and Skyrim you can use the loot to craft. Potions, ammo, gear, houses, weapons, etc. It's fun to find the right components. Here, you have a very shallow upgrade system.
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Frant
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PostPosted: Tue, 29th Oct 2019 23:33    Post subject:
I'm fast losing interest in progressing in the game. Quests are boring, upgrading is boring, you basically never run out of ammo due to the ridiculous amount of loot etc. etc.


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VonMisk




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PostPosted: Tue, 29th Oct 2019 23:38    Post subject:
The further I progress the worse the game become. It's like all creativity was spend on first location. I'm at Monarch and just Vomit

Guy runs out of hostel screaming bloody murder. Go to the room, click on to things, well he probably had debts, check journal - go to bets. In bets - there are this guys that he lost some moneys to, go see them. Went see them - GTFO or die. They GTFO.

or in other words
Go there click, click, go to another place click on only valid dialogue option, go to third place either do the dialogue check or make a bloodbath. Quest complete. Dude Weep

Guys, it's fucking bad.

For a second I thought that maybe, maybe the guy who found him is the killer, that I would go and talk to the bet house and the gang and they would told me that, yeah he had debts but they gave him another day to pay up. Go find more clues, find out that it some other dead guy and the person who screamed bloody murder was really the guy who made debts but now run away. Quest complete.

But I got this uninspired shit...

I bought it I will struggle to finish it but this is on a level with late Bioware. But in reality I dunno if Andromeda wasn't better...

RIP sweet prince. I hope Microsoft will fuck you in the ass as sweet as you describe the corporations in this turd.
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vurt




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 00:04    Post subject:
Tbh i've never liked Obsidian's stories. They can have some good and interesting characters with pretty interesting backgrounds and so forth, but i really found FO:NV an absolute drag story wise, it had some cool elements but eh, prefer FO3 by far.. Same with KOTOR, first one was just way better, felt more like SW, just like FO3 felt more like FO to me.
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Toxikbrain




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 00:31    Post subject:
Enjoying the game so far. Level 19, almost 20.
Focusing points in long-ranged, hacking and dialog mostly.
Will be the first game in a long time that I will most likely finish Smile
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0wen




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 08:18    Post subject:
Looks like speedrunners have already finished the game in 25 minutes.

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dannofdawn




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 08:43    Post subject:
This game really shouldn't be AAA priced. It's nothing compared to ME1&2, FONV, DAO, or The Witcher. It's a good game but seriously overrated at the moment.

It's great that dialogue skills are used often, but it is also way too powerful. If you can talk, you can skip so much of the game, too much even.

Loot is way too boring in this game, there aren't any unique mods or weapons to make looting interesting. If you play a high charisma character, what the hell is the point of looting? I either end up skipping fights, make it easy as hell indirectly or let my buffed up companions do the killing.

Companion quests aren't nearly as good as Bioware's post NWN era. They're too short or too broken up in parts. There's also a serious lack of ship conversations. In KotOR 2 I feel like there's a lot to talk to with companions, same with DAO. Here, it is very brief. Also, there isn't any relationship progression (I don't just mean romance) with companions? It's either they stay or they leave? I could be wrong, but it feels that way. In Bioware or older Obsidian games, there's loyalty check moments that make your relationship with your crew have consequences. Doesn't seem to be a thing here. Companion banter are also really weak IMO. DAO still has the best banter to date.

This is basically a more polish, less ambitious, better-produced version of Spider's RPGs. I would go as far as to say it is the worst RPG Obsidian ever made? Maybe not worse than Dungeon Siege 3, but definitely not better than POE1 (which is my least favourite Obsidian RPG game).
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nightfox




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 08:46    Post subject:
can you land on the locked planets?
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HIz




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 09:00    Post subject:
No, some are locked ''because inhabitable", some will probably be available with the steam release or some kind of DLC.
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Il_Padrino




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 09:22    Post subject:
I'm also at Monarch now, and share the above impressions. I'm really rushing through dialogs/quests at this point. Playing on hard, I'm a bit short on heavy ammo, as the long guns are all I use.

It's very odd, with Disco Elysium, I was compelled to read everything from the start. Here, I think I started skipping dialogs after 10 minutes.

I do enjoy the exploration, although the game is very much aware, and there are hidden barriers everywhere. So no jumping around on roofs unless the game wants you to. Compared to what you are allowd to do in say, Prey, this is real shit.


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DCB




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 09:23    Post subject:
Out of context and no doubt completely unintentional, but the irony of this line out of the mouth of a chick with purple hair did cause me to actually laugh out loud.

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On a completely different note, anyone know how to cure this eye bleed-inducing flickering? Probably don't look at this if you have epilepsy.

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I assume it is caused, or at least exacerbated, by one of my ini changes.
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madmax17




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 10:16    Post subject:
Yeah they don't happen unless you jerk with the ini.
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Frant
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 10:20    Post subject:
EDIT out any suspect culprits one by one until the issue is gone.


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Mister_s




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 10:22    Post subject:
Does the story take some kind of awesome turn during Monarch? I'm just going to stop playing, but I think some great things might happen. I find most of the game mundane and I can't get over the fact that this is basically a collection of copied concepts from better games.
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Frant
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 10:29    Post subject:
Nah, Monarch is no more interesting than the earlier places beyond a new creature and some acid puddles making things slightly more difficult (which isn't saying much). Same "go for quest, pick up side quests, blabla dialogues" and so on.


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VonMisk




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 11:57    Post subject:
On Monarch you will probably be put in similar situation as in Edgewater.


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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 11:59    Post subject:
The conflict on Monarch has at least four outcomes.
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The_Zeel




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 12:08    Post subject:
Yea, I went for the arguably best outcome, the questline gave alot of options.

I really don't get people's problem with the game, all the complaints are found in FO3 and FO4 as well, and to a worse extent.
Atleast the writing is good and NV-like, instead of being bethetic drivel.
I understand if 3d Fallout games in general aren't your thing, but this game does everything better than the Bethesda ones.
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pho08




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 12:12    Post subject:
i can recommend flings trainer for eliminating the weight limitations.. in a game with so much vapor loot encumbrance is just fucking annoying
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A-A




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 12:17    Post subject:
Anyone got any tips for reducing stuttering? Seems to happen when new stuff is loaded in!

Running an SSD :/
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pho08




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 12:24    Post subject:
only the usual stuff

latest drivers
control panel set gpu to max performance
disable flow control for game's executable
adjust gfx settings to ensure you do not dip below desired fps cap

maybe it's all placebo but seems to me that reduced the stuttering a bit
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 12:25    Post subject:
A-A wrote:
Anyone got any tips for reducing stuttering? Seems to happen when new stuff is loaded in!

Running an SSD :/


Unreal Engine 4 just has that as a thing, game is using 0 to 4 for presets too comparing the ini file so you're pushing the game engine to it's limits on the ultra preset if that's what you are using just to mention it. Smile

Low 0
Medium 1
High 2
Very High 3

Cinematic 4

That last one is a near max for numerous settings for mostly render or market so instead of a 0.0 to 1.0 for view distance between low and high you're now using a value that's higher which by default cinematic uses 10.0 which is going to do things to the games performance.

That's one setting out of a half dozen preset levels containing numerous settings each. (One thing I don't like about it short of ini editing is the lack of fine control here though UE3 was the same.)

Limits to D3D11 and the game engines ability to multi-thread also influence this, IO like a SSD can also negatively affect behavior by allowing much faster streaming so the rest of the hardware chain of RAM, CPU and GPU can't keep up so you avoid waiting on slow streaming assets but you get hitching.


Newer generation of games and the console shift should see SSD's as a main supported mode for I/O over the HDD and this will be resolved but that's not doing anything for existing games.


What more? Frame smoothing and possible hitching as a result of that, possibly not setting the material properties and LOD's and culling and then other optimization particularly when going for a larger open level design rather than smaller paths leading to some open combat area and that sort of loop.

Cutting the framerate down can give the game some more time but that's sub optimal if the hardware is capable of delivering a constant smooth framerate and solid frame times so it's far from ideal.



EDIT: It's up to Obsidian to optimize things a bit more and maybe GPU driver improvements can help a bit as well to shorten this little reply down to what it boils down to.
The engine has it's limits and does it's thing but that's something the devs have to work within not try to force or completely botch taking into account for some other titles where this completely failed.
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DCB




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PostPosted: Wed, 30th Oct 2019 13:32    Post subject:
Just finished it. ~26.5 hours. I think I did pretty much everything except babysit Parvati on her date. I liked that they had a non-combat option for the (semi-)last boss.

One thing I was scratching my head over though:
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Overall I would say it was OK. It had its moments, but it didn't blow me away. I'm not sure the attempt at the wacky elements really helped with the actual story they were trying to tell. Either that or the central plot didn't belong in a game about the wacky goings-on of crazy space capitalism. That aside, the general impression I got from the game wasn't off-brand Fallout, it was off-brand Bioshock. So much of it really just seemed like Bioshock in space to me. Especially stylistically, in various elements of the art and especially the UI. Maybe that was why they pushed the wacky element, as playing it straight might have made the comparison even more obvious.


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