Alita: Battle Angel [Cameron & Rodriguez / Feb 2019]
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PostPosted: Wed, 10th Jul 2019 00:42    Post subject:
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Can't wait to see it in 3D.


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PostPosted: Wed, 10th Jul 2019 11:31    Post subject:
I watched this the other day as well.
I thought the majority of the film (especially story and script) was pretty mediocre / bad.
What really blew my mind was the visuals of Alita.

CGI was something mindblowing, she looked incredibly life like with her expressions etc. I was amazed by this alone, shame the movie was meh overall.


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PostPosted: Wed, 10th Jul 2019 11:52    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Wed, 10th Jul 2019 12:37    Post subject:
garus wrote:
jippyuk wrote:
I watched this the other day as well.
I thought the majority of the film (especially story and script) was pretty mediocre / bad.
What really blew my mind was the visuals of Alita.

CGI was something mindblowing, she looked incredibly life like with her expressions etc. I was amazed by this alone, shame the movie was meh overall.

Her face was motion captured, so it was basically a real person.

That still shouldn't take away from the achievement in CGI. Motion capture is just a small part of the process, which still involves modelling, rigging, lighting, etc.
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PostPosted: Wed, 10th Jul 2019 12:44    Post subject:
garus wrote:
jippyuk wrote:
I watched this the other day as well.
I thought the majority of the film (especially story and script) was pretty mediocre / bad.
What really blew my mind was the visuals of Alita.

CGI was something mindblowing, she looked incredibly life like with her expressions etc. I was amazed by this alone, shame the movie was meh overall.

Her face was motion captured, so it was basically a real person.



Yeah I'd assumed it was mocap but it still felt like such a hugh step forward in comparison to most other movies i've seen recently like this.


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PostPosted: Wed, 10th Jul 2019 21:01    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Wed, 10th Jul 2019 21:50    Post subject:
jippyuk wrote:
garus wrote:
jippyuk wrote:
I watched this the other day as well.
I thought the majority of the film (especially story and script) was pretty mediocre / bad.
What really blew my mind was the visuals of Alita.

CGI was something mindblowing, she looked incredibly life like with her expressions etc. I was amazed by this alone, shame the movie was meh overall.

Her face was motion captured, so it was basically a real person.



Yeah I'd assumed it was mocap but it still felt like such a hugh step forward in comparison to most other movies i've seen recently like this.


Evolution of the performance capture used in Avatar (the facework of which continues to look top).



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PostPosted: Wed, 10th Jul 2019 22:57    Post subject:
I hope the home release is successful to push for a sequel. I liked it.
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PostPosted: Wed, 10th Jul 2019 23:08    Post subject:
It should. Cameron was happy with it.
Made monies. But lets hope his trilogy is fully penned out and not wait for years lol.


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PostPosted: Wed, 10th Jul 2019 23:10    Post subject:
Didn't make quite the monies they were hoping for. It's on the fence.
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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Jul 2019 04:22    Post subject:
i liked it
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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Jul 2019 17:44    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Jul 2019 17:45    Post subject:
Great movie! I was not even going to watch it after knowing it was CGI characters, but gave it a chance..glad I did...wow..incredible CGI..like real..definately recommend this and best CGI to date.


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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Jul 2019 18:37    Post subject:
garus wrote:
LeoNatan wrote:
garus wrote:

Her face was motion captured, so it was basically a real person.

That still shouldn't take away from the achievement in CGI. Motion capture is just a small part of the process, which still involves modelling, rigging, lighting, etc.

Of course not, the lighting and everything was just perfect. Also, did they decrease the size of the eyes in the final version? I remember them being way bigger in early sneak peeks.


When the trailer design wasn't very well received Cameron told the VFX team "Fuck the haters, we are going to make them even bigger!"

But the part that he wanted to get bigger was the pupil and iris - so in some way they now seem smaller - although the overall size didn't change.

And this subtle change makes a big difference!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunnm/comments/b09342/alitas_eyes_still_bug_you_out/



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Perhaps the most important part of the face is the eyes, and this was particularly the case with Alita. Interestingly, Alita’s eyes changed between the trailer and the final film. What makes this intriguing is not that the eyes changed, but what those changes were and how it affected a viewer’s perception of Alita’s face.

Saindon recalls being on a conference call after the trailer had been released and the internet exploded with discussion around the validity of Alita’s eyes. “In the next call we had with Robert (Rodriguez) and Jim (Cameron), no one wanted to say anything. Finally I just said, ‘hey, so are we doing anything about the eyes?’ There was a lot of discussion. We asked if they (Rodriguez & Cameron) wanted us to try something? And, Jim pretty much just said, (and excuse the swearing)… but Jim said, ‘fuck the haters’. And he said, ‘we’re going to go bigger with the eyes – that’s what’s going to fix it.’”

Cameron was right.
What he wanted was not to make the eyes themselves bigger, but to enlarge both the pupils and the iris. It is a very subtle adjustment. Saindon estimates that, “it’s probably another 10% on top of what it was from the first trailer,”
but when the the irises are actually bigger, and then the pupils inside of the irises are at a default size relative to each other, then they actually filled the scalera a little bit more and so the eyes exhibited less white scalera. “So you saw less white around the eyes and he was right because it was actually the whites around the eyes that was making the eyes feel not quite right,” adds Saindon.

It was hard for even the Weta professionals to define what was the issue and he adds what complicated the process further was that, “when you saw still frames, then the bigger eyes didn’t really make a difference. But once you actually started seeing in motion and started seeing less of the whites around her eyes, it just made a big difference.”


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"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Jul 2019 22:17    Post subject:
Oh boy, the characters feel copy pasted on top of the virtual environments like in the other films by Rodriguez.

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TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Jul 2019 23:08    Post subject:
https://cgsociety.org/news/article/4376/alita-interview-with-vfx-supervisor-eric-saindon

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Gollum has 50,000 polygons on the entire model and Alita has 8.5 million per eye. It’s a bit insane, but you it allows you do things like fly into the eyeball and have all the detail that you need.


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Different numbers here: https://vfxscience.com/2019/02/18/alita-battle-angel/

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Alita’s eyes were nine million polygons each – by comparison, Gollum had only 150,000 polygons to make up his entire character!


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Either way: impressive.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Thu, 11th Jul 2019 23:53    Post subject:
150,000 polygons sounds absolutely crazy low... and yes 50,000 lol no, no way that could be true...

there can't have been too many scenes where they'd have to use 9m polygons for the eyes, but sure, perhaps for super close ups.
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PostPosted: Fri, 12th Jul 2019 00:26    Post subject:
This: https://www.vulture.com/2018/12/gollum-lord-of-the-rings-cgi-history.html

says 5000 polys were Gollum's eyes, and it was crazy high because they used a quarter of their poly budget on his eyes (that would mean Gollum's entire (face?) model was around 20000 polys)

Then, this: http://www.cgw.com/Publications/CGW/2013/Volume-36-Issue-2-Jan-Feb-2013-/Of-Gollum-and-Wargs-and-Goblins-Oh-My-.aspx

says 5000 polys were Gollum's entire face.

Then, this: https://www.artofvfx.com/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-journey-eric-saindon-superviseur-vfx-weta-digital/

says 5000 were Gollum's entire model.

Laughing

I think something is being lost in the translation from VFX artist/supervisor to reporter, but I would guess no matter what, no more than 50-150K polys were used for the entire model.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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I see that moron is at it again, posting clickbait nonsense. Gotta milk his retard audience for dat peterereon moneyz Rolling Eyes
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one of the best youtubers for sure, but not all the videos are that great or interesting...
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vurt wrote:
one of the best youtubers for sure, but not all the videos are that great or interesting...
Quarterpounder? One of the best youtubers?

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...when you get the Laughing "argument" from LeoDerp you know his feeble little mind has been working overtime to come up with something... and the final result is.....; Laughing

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but let's have some fun; name a better Youtuber discussing these topics then..


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vurt wrote:
one of the best youtubers for sure, but not all the videos are that great or interesting...


There are no good youtubers.
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Amazing youtuber indeed, very trustworthy Laughing


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

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haven't watched all his videos, i watch a few per week (he seems to release like 2 a day which is too much imo, my interest for the video and gaming industry is not THAT strong).. I'm sure there are videos he's made that are absolute shit, would be very strange otherwise.

still waiting for that list with better youtubers for these topics btw... what are you comparing him to if he's not one of the better ones for these topics? if you have no one to recommend then you also have no argument, or at least one that isn't very interesting in any sense.
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