The monitor itself is very cheap for what it offers. You are a hurrdurr if you don't see it. The stand is indeed a nickle and dime joke. But the hardware is good.
*maybe 0.5% of all designers would actually need all the extra bells and whistles. I'm a graphic designer myself and here's some facts:
Every designer worth his or her salt has to calibrate and set up their monitor according to the destination of the design. For print, this is CMYK, for webdesign this is sRGB, etc.
Now, have you EVER calibrated a monitor? You can have the best fucking monitor on the market but if you calibrate it, it ...
- will be rather dark
- the nice bright white will turn a yellow tint
- colours will be a lot more muted
You know why? Because calibration standards are pretty old for a start and based on what monitors could do 15 years ago, and also because the standards keep in mind the hardware of the end user.
What use is it to design a bright colourful website on a €6.000 screen if the end user uses a cheap $100 tablet to view it on? That's why sRGB, the tightest colour space of all RGB colour spaces, is used as a standard because most monitors more or less can display sRGB properly.
Now, with this ridiculous €6.000 monitor ...
- you have ultra high resolution ... which breaks most software. I have a 1440p monitor at work and most professional software looks terrible on it. Thankfully, Adobe finally lets you scale UI in the lastest update ... .
- it's 32". Anyone who knows anything about design, knows that this is unwieldy. You constantly need to look up and down or have the monitor further away from you. It's stupid and is purely about form over function. Might as well hook up a 4K 32" TV while you're at it!
- 1.000.000 contrast ratio ... which is misleading (it uses dynamic range - other monitors can achieve way more than that using dynamic range).
- 1000 nits! Until you calibrate your monitor and it knocks it WAY down. Besides, such high nits are NOT good for your eyes - it was recently in the news how bad these new bright screens are.
About the only thing I see that's valuable, is the good viewing angle which is handy if you have a client next to you while you design.
For very specific designers (mainly those working in photography) this would be a good monitor to have ... at a quarter of the price.
apple cultists will rather die then admit theyare sheep being milked and supporting a company with dishonest busines practices and lobbying agianst third party repairs, no rationale can fix that, just bitch slap em every time a repair company jacks up prices cause apple did some anal change again like bricking a phone when it detects a third party screen or battery and soldering ssds or memory or ducktaping batteries. bunch of cunts
i hope all ur keyboards n components break and when u get the repair bill estimate totaling 90% of the cost of a new one, i want to see them tears rolling down them precious cheecks
This is not a screen meant for "designers". Neither is the Dolby screen.
In before "Dolby is overpriced", despite it being de facto the only monitor used for video mastering and grading industry-wide (until now).
The entire presentation explains that his is meant for video professionals, who need to master HDR video. It has better specs than the Dolby monitor, which also isn't meant for "designers". Both monitors come factory-calibrated for most uses, but calibration is always necessary for the environment you work on. You calibrate a monitor for white point and color accuracy in the environment you use it. If you calibrate correctly, you don't get "yellow tint" or "rather dark". If you get a "rather dark" picture, it means your monitor doesn't suit the environment you want to use it in. But that is fine, because proper professionals in the video mastering industry work in the same conditions as cinema, e.g. dark rooms.
Ultra high resolution doesn't break on any software on macOS. If you are using Windows, there is your problem. It's not Windows's fault really, as it has had support for DPI independence for a while now, but software is just shit. On macOS all software supports 2x screen scale, which is what is needed here.
This reminds me of the same outcry of the Mac Pro being too expensive. Who cries about it? Web "devs" that think they are "pro", when all they need is the lowest Mac mini or laptop.
I get the psychology of it. It's a status symbol, and when you reach the realization that you can't afford it, the mental instinct is to laugh it off and show how beneath you it is, without even realizing that this is a work machine, and it's not intended for you. Apple has a hand in this, as they've turned everything to "Pro", including iPads ( ), but it's a catch 22; people want to belong in the status world, so they want "Pro", with complete disregard whether they need something from tech specs point of view or not.
I understand the psychology behind it (and it disgusts me).
Personally I don't need expensive "status" crap, esp. not something made by Apple. I wouldn't touch Apple with a 10-foot pole whether I was a pro or not.
Don't act like an idiot, please. Show me hyperbole exactly. Maybe the emojis, but this is the hump, look at the "quality" of people posting here.
Go read what the Dolby screen linked above is used for. It certainly isn't "design".
This is an entirely different class of monitors. The nonsense written above lacks any understand what this class of monitors is intended for, what it means to calibrate it, etc.
The video by Vincent linked shows another competing screen, but that one is OLED, and for now at least, is limited in brightness (peak brightness is 1000, but now full white image).
A CRT cannot reach such high brightness. HDR these days can be mastered to 1000, 2000, 4000 and sometimes even 10000 nits. No CRT can output such brightness.
This is not a screen meant for "designers". Neither is the Dolby screen.
In before "Dolby is overpriced", despite it being de facto the only monitor used for video mastering and grading industry-wide (until now).
The entire presentation explains that his is meant for video professionals, who need to master HDR video. It has better specs than the Dolby monitor, which also isn't meant for "designers". Both monitors come factory-calibrated for most uses, but calibration is always necessary for the environment you work on. You calibrate a monitor for white point and color accuracy in the environment you use it. If you calibrate correctly, you don't get "yellow tint" or "rather dark". If you get a "rather dark" picture, it means your monitor doesn't suit the environment you want to use it in. But that is fine, because proper professionals in the video mastering industry work in the same conditions as cinema, e.g. dark rooms.
Ultra high resolution doesn't break on any software on macOS. If you are using Windows, there is your problem. It's not Windows's fault really, as it has had support for DPI independence for a while now, but software is just shit. On macOS all software supports 2x screen scale, which is what is needed here.
As I said, "hurr durr".
Stop making stupid excuses. Apple doesn't sell dozens of monitors like most brands - they always overdid their monitors big time, shooting by what the average designer would need, banking on prestige and the arrogance of the average Mac user like you. Screw your "hur dur it's for video editors" remark because those are tiny market compared to graphic designers on the whole. If you think Apple ONLY targets them, you're an even sadder & bigger Apple idiot than I thought. Heck, even on their website they clearly state: "photography, web development, design, and print" which is BULLSHIT for the reasons mentioned above.
And even THEN, for video it's still overkill for most users. 99% of all video content is NOT HDR and since HDR doesn't even have a proper standard yet, it's all pointless to boast about colour fidelity when you have no real clue how it will look like on the average 4K HDR TV at home where it will be seen. It's the same point I made about the webdesign: it's the END USER that matters.
Apple sells plenty of monitors in the iMac and MBP range, which are more than enough for designers and web "devs". This is not a monitor for YouTuber editing video. You, as usual, it seems, can't see the difference between some hobby editor and video professionals. How tiny brain you must have if all you can see is "designers" and "web devs" as the most professional personnel. Mac Pro and this display are not intended for "average user", but I bet you that more-money-than-brain idiots will buy those just to show off on YouTube. That's not my problem. You can shove 1.5TB of RAM in the Mac Pro. Tell me again what "average user" needs 1.5TB of RAM? Judging by your narrow world view, such an option shouldn't even exist.
I don't have status nor seek one. The device in my pocket or the computer in my bag is not status. I could care less what the bunch of you morons on the internet care about me. I use Macs for work and enjoy the user interface more than Windows. If that is status, then your world must be very very tiny. To enjoy the user interface, I don't need a Mac Pro, intended for professionals, or a display, intended for video professionals.
Your hate for one company is rather funny. Where are the long tard posts about Sony and Dolby selling monitors for 40000$USD? How the average web "dev" or average "designer" or average utuber doesn't need such a monitor? Where are the posts about people wasting their money on those machines? Where are the posts about HPE workstations being overpriced? Of course, none exist, because, again, your world view is so narrow, you didn't even know those existed, but let's pile on Apple for wanting to reach the same markets, which are not what the average idiot with computer needs (e.g. you).
some rich friends should all donate together for a birthday and get a 1000 usd together and then buy some apple fanboy the monitor stand and record the look on his face when we tell him first we collected a 1000 usd to buy him an apple gift and make him unwrap the stand in a ipad/laptop size giftwrap box
ooooo, i claim copyrights on this viral youtube video idea!!!!!, mmm im so good at crushing little cute souls
Apple sells plenty of monitors in the iMac and MBP range, which are more than enough for designers and web "devs". This is not a monitor for YouTuber editing video. You, as usual, it seems, can't see the difference between some hobby editor and video professionals. How tiny brain you must have if all you can see is "designers" and "web devs" as the most professional personnel. Mac Pro and this display are not intended for "average user", but I bet you that more-money-than-brain idiots will buy those just to show off on YouTube. That's not my problem. You can shove 1.5TB of RAM in the Mac Pro. Tell me again what "average user" needs 1.5TB of RAM? Judging by your narrow world view, such an option shouldn't even exist.
I don't have status nor seek one. The device in my pocket or the computer in my bag is not status. I could care less what the bunch of you morons on the internet care about me. I use Macs for work and enjoy the user interface more than Windows. If that is status, then your world must be very very tiny. To enjoy the user interface, I don't need a Mac Pro, intended for professionals, or a display, intended for video professionals.
Your hate for one company is rather funny. Where are the long tard posts about Sony and Dolby selling monitors for 40000$USD? How the average web "dev" or average "designer" or average utuber doesn't need such a monitor? Where are the posts about people wasting their money on those machines? Where are the posts about HPE workstations being overpriced? Of course, none exist, because, again, your world view is so narrow, you didn't even know those existed, but let's pile on Apple for wanting to reach the same markets, which are not what the average idiot with computer needs (e.g. you).
Good of you to ignore my most important points. It's funny how every Mac defender always uses the same weak arguments and I always blow them apart the same way.
Now let's address your points:
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Apple sells plenty of monitors in the iMac and MBP range
No they don't, what the hell are you smoking? They actually sell LG monitors ranging from $700 to $1300 instead of their own brand. And every monitor Apple has sold to go with their Macbook Pro has been overpriced and has always been higher end than most users would need.
The Macbook Pro we have at work even uses a non-standard interface so the monitor could not be used with any other computer. And how much did that monitor cost back then? €1600. Sure, it had a decent resolution for 2008 and it was nice & big but you could NOT get a standard monitor for the Macbook Pro at the time - you were forced to spend a ridiculous amount.
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This is not a monitor for YouTuber editing video.
Yeah we got that That's exactly my point - Apple sell a computer with a monitor to go with it that costs a small fortune and will only be useful to a VERY VERY small subset of video editors and designers. They don't have a lower end monitor on offer either - if you want a monitor to go with a Macbook Pro (which is clearly NOT marketed for the tiny UHD HDR video editors that might need it) you ONLY have this choice.
Are you that thick that you don't get it? All the brands you mention have HUNDREDS of monitors on sale, ranging from entry $100 models to very expensive models. APPLE ONLY HAS EXPENSIVE MODELS. Ffs, a child would get it. Stop worshipping your figurine of Steve Jobs and try to think critically for a moment.
You have "blown me apart" yet you are so different dumb to not understand that iMacs and MBPs come with their own monitors (a laptop and an all-in-one, who woulda thunk it). Most users do not purchase additional monitors with these computers.
Also, I guess you never heard of 20$ adapters. And as a "Mac defender", I will have you know that both Thunderbolt 2 and 3 are Intel standards with open specs, not Apple standards. The fact that no monitors exist outside of the "overpriced" Apple monitors is all but manufacturers' fault. Not that I'd want to confuse your retarded nonsense with facts.
Apple is not selling the "small fortune" monitor to go with the computer (that also costs a "small fortune"). They merely introduced them one after the other in the same conference. All Apple computers, including the Mac Pro, use standard connectors and you can connect to them any monitor you want, including the cheap TN ones that you think "designers" want to use. Again, don't let the facts confuse you.
I've been using Dell monitors with Mac minis, MacBook Air and three generations of MBP, for 10 years now. What sorcery is this???slashslash
Similarly spec'd Dell workstation to the latest Mac Pro. Awaiting the "Dell are fucking insane." thread, decrying how you could have bought your gaming PC that is "better" at 1000$.
Similarly spec'd Dell workstation to the latest Mac Pro. Awaiting the "Dell are fucking insane." thread, decrying how you could have bought your gaming PC that is "better" at 1000$.
As I see it the problem is that if you get a $1000 PC, reliability and power is comparable to a Mac Pro starting at $5999. One should note that the speed and efficiency would be diminished with the lesser machine, of course, but it's not divided by 6 and it isn't worth 6 times the price. You can run the same apps guaranteed, except the ones tethered to the Apple ecosystem.
And now I'll set aside to a corner and watch silently
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That's exactly my point - Apple sell a computer with a monitor to go with it that costs a small fortune and will only be useful to a VERY VERY small subset of video editors and designers. They don't have a lower end monitor on offer either - if you want a monitor to go with a Macbook Pro (which is clearly NOT marketed for the tiny UHD HDR video editors that might need it) you ONLY have this choice.
