Once again, what has an innocent person to do with all of this. I swear eBay is like a lottery because people like you.
Yes BUT ebay just 'allows' something like this because they can't prove that the buyer is lying. (the buyer is always right). That's why in germany you always have to write something like: "no take-back and guarantee since private sale"
Also don't ever offer Paypal as a seller as it to easy to scam. Always take photos of your package you send, the serial number etc.
Boys, am I glad we‘re talking about that shittu agen.
He was presented with all the arguments, yet obviously still thinks he‘s right. He‘s supposedly an old guy. That explains it. Lets move on.
KillerCrocker still needs to return his 2070 because its trash. Lets make that the topic.
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No its fucking awesome and so much faster than 1060 obviously.
I noticed I was playing metro on extreme. Works better in ultra and ray tracing looks amazing.
Used 1080 is not cheaper here, so its no brainer to get new 2070 with new cool tech even if its underutilized... And its still 15% faster than gtx 1080 on average.
Quake 2 looks amazeballs with rt. Someone mods first unreal and I will be happy.
Just need to get a decent ips now since gigabyte aorus was broken shit. I will get 1080p or 1440p 75hz freesync model. 144hz is nice but I dont use it in a lot of games and 144hz monitors are more expensive and often suffer image quality. At least I am making my mind
In short - 2070 is fucking awesome. I love it. Msi armor is huge, quiet too. 63 max in normal games and up to 70 with rtx.
I even like the look of dlss after a patch in metro although it still could be better
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I agree that you should buy a 1440p Monitor and that it is much better suited to your 2070 than 4K!
Enjoy the tech!
edit: Just one more thing.
KillerCrocker wrote:
[...] And its still 15% faster than gtx 1080 on average.[...]
This is because 90% of the reviewers used Founders Edition Cards (often they will not even tell which ones they used, you can be certain they used FE cards). And that makes the 2070 look better on average since it just has a much better Cooler than the 1080 FE (or Vega64 Ref. for that matter) had. It was a nice trick by Nvidia to make their Turing cards look better. At the same time grabbing some market share from their Partners.
Thing is: if you're comparing 2070 vs. some good 1080 AIB, its not going to be noticeably faster.
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Once again, what has an innocent person to do with all of this. I swear eBay is like a lottery because people like you.
Yes BUT ebay just 'allows' something like this because they can't prove that the buyer is lying. (the buyer is always right). That's why in germany you always have to write something like: "no take-back and guarantee since private sale"
Also don't ever offer Paypal as a seller as it to easy to scam. Always take photos of your package you send, the serial number etc.
I had pics and serials recorded. I had even UV marked the board and cooler. I also stated 'no returns', all of which Ebay were given as evidence, and all of which Ebay ignored So that's utter nonsense, as it makes not a jot of difference.
An innocent person has nothing to do with this, no, but I was an innocent person when I sold the card, till someone decided to fuck me over.
It's a dog eat dog world now I'm afraid, and I'll take no prisoners, and also lose no sleep in doing so
I thought the 2070 is definitely faster than the 1080? Even an overclocked 2060 should slightly beat the 1080. In Furmark (OpenGL) 1080p preset I get 128fps avg, it's more than the 1080 listed on the Furmark page got. RTX 2070 should be over 140fps easily.
Its also faster in Timespy. But those are synthetic benchmarks. In real gaming scenarios the difference is not so much.
OCed 2060ies vs OCed 1080ies, the 1080 is faster again.
edit: Its quite difficult to find reviews where they dont use FE blower cards for the 1080 except GN, which I posted. So to be more precise, yes, the 2070 is faster but not by as much as it seems and not always.
Its real wins are where Vega also wins against the 1080, like Dirt4 (Where the Vega56 even wins against the 1080) and Wolfenstein but that is to be expected.
1080 wins in SotTR and Forza Horizon 4.
CoDWW2 its a tie.
Just like in the Gamersnexus review. When pitted against AIB cards, the 2070 is ahead only in select titles (mostly where Vega also shines), but not always and even sometimes loses. Its not just 15% ahead.
Here is a 2070 on a blower style cooling in a review:
In the future, the 2070 is the better card, obviously, but not so much as Nvidia marketing wants you to think. Reviewers often pit Blower 1080ies vs. FE edition 2070ies but those are Apples to Oranges reviews. Either use Patner Cards or blower style cards for both. The difference is marginal.
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Thanks, that's interesting. The blowers really suck don't they? I had only one GPU with blower fan in my life and I hated it.
I wonder if games will ever make use of the faster floating point operations the tensor cores provide. It could boost performance of the newer cards massively.
I wonder if games will ever make use of the faster floating point operations the tensor cores provide. It could boost performance of the newer cards massively.
Far Cry does it already somewhat (the water stuff if I remember right).
In other words, the current gen cards (and we should really not include the 2080 Ti in any comparison since the price puts it in the workstation space, not consumer space) have fewer Tensor cores than the 1+ year old Titan V. Add to that the fact that you need to sync the work of those Tensor Cores with the rest of the card (incl. RTX if that is enabled which drags it down even more).
They can probably be used for some stuff to offload the rest of the GPU but they're no game changer (unless you count DLSS).
Far Cry 5 and New Dawn use FP16 on Turing in those Tensor Cores and Rapid Packed Math on AMD, that gives these games an advantage on Turing and Vega over Pascal.
edit: You guys said this already.
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Though it should be in the 5% range or so, mainly used for the water effects and sparingly elsewhere though I guess short of testing internally with it disabled for both Vega (2x 16bit via RPM) and Turing (16bit native support.) it's hard to tell exactly and the games are extremely light on GPU overall and even CPU since they're primarily going with photogrametry for textures and various baked effects for ambient occlusion, lower draw distances though New Dawn does up the vegetation a bit.
Still feels like one of the most aged and dated engines Ubisoft is using, Disrupt as a mix of Dunia and Anvil used in Watch_Dogs is a bit above that and then Anvil Next whatever from Unity and then again in Origins and on seems to be the most advanced engine they've got at the moment though bits and tech from other studios also factor in like the procedural animation system in For Honor being quite a big thing for example.
Oh and Snowdrop now without actual snow in Division 2 from Swedish studio Massive and also used in South Park Ruptured But Whole or what it was interestingly enough.
(EDIT: Fractured.)
Not really sure what Settlers and Anno are using though here we're probably hitting CPU a bit more from AI and all that more than roaming the world, climbing towers and stabbing oblivious guards in elaborate knife-to-nut takedown animations.
bios modding i dont think thats feasible anymore. intel insisted on bios protection for secure boot. might be able to mod it using an eprom programmer, thats the only way i could do my new motherboard bios.
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bios modding i dont think thats feasible anymore. intel insisted on bios protection for secure boot. might be able to mod it using an eprom programmer, thats the only way i could do my new motherboard bios.
By bios modding I mean flashing bios with higher power limit. 254W vs 300W (Gigabyte OC)
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i think the hw id has to match afaik. some boards share the same id but are different editions like oc edition etc. afaik.
No. You can flash eg. Gigabyte AORUS bios onto Palit card etc. If it fails it's not the end of the World as you can always re-flash your card by using second GPU eg. iGPU.
Only good thing about custom bios on modern Nvidia GPU´s is that you can disable nvidia derp boost XYZ and its auto clock throttle on certain thermal thresholds, other than that, the cards are so restricted in everything, that "unlocked" power limit is not gonna help on anything. I had shunt mod and XOC bios on my 1080ti, and it overclocked like 20mhz more with those
Undervolting + overclocking is the way to go, i have undervolted succesfully my 1080ti to 0.95V and it hits 2050mhz core clock stable, its pretty amazing what you can squeeze out of the cards while conusming less power / thermals, running stock bios with custom voltage / frequency curve.
now imagine ram getting again twice as fast again going from ddr4 to 5 with ddr5 for pc and some more of these vega cores n chiplets ....
when the ceiling stays around fullhd 60fps for the mass market .... the low budget gfx cards and mobile cards are gonna get annihilated and pushed into extinction
no noise, no undervolting, no super high power use, no coilwine, no fans breaking and fancurve messing about... bliss , cant wait for 2020, especialy for laptops
in some laptops idiot manufacters are inlcuding budget gpus , slower then the integrated one .... just to jack up the price .... like a 2500u with a 530rx
and look at that motherboard ... half empty, basicly half the space is just wasted ... sli and crossfire are dead to, no average joe needs all those slots anymore ... all just a waste of money and resources making people pay for shit they dont need
since 1-2 MotherBoard generations, you can now use your integrated GPU in tandem with your peripheral GPU
(on Win10?)
even more, Laptops have been using integrated GPU in tandem with the embedded GPU card from even longer back in time
(I believe only processes that use 3D HW Acceleration get ran on the GPU, while everything else is on the CPU, and the process is automated and cannot be controlled)
so in any way getting a gpu card is a + no matter how budget it is
you can even buy the gpu card only for the extra slots, and you'll still get a benefit
I remember seeing a video on the whole thing with benchmarks a while back but I cannot find it right now
extra slot of what ? sounds like marketing gibberish to me , laptops been doing that for decades ?
or u mean slot for multiple screens ? well i guess when u have 5+ monitors and a powerbill the size of your rent lol
only reason ive seen it usefull in is for those mining cards with no display port or when u dont have a fitting or older display port on ur gfx card so u can use the motherboards port as it funnels the gaming card when playing games through the igpu and mohterpoard display port
in any case, im really sold by vega and intel is making a huge mistake not catching up on igpu performance
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So that's utter nonsense, as it makes not a jot of difference.
