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couleur
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PostPosted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 22:06    Post subject:
OCed to 4.5Ghz or more, a 2600K can compete with 1700X edit: OCed to 3.9Ghzon 1-4 threaded games.


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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Feb 2019 00:33    Post subject:
Well my Timespy result is exactly the same as my cooworker who just built a pc with ryzen 2600 and gtx 1060... so that's that


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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Feb 2019 01:59    Post subject:
Laughing

Benchmarks?
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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Feb 2019 09:03    Post subject:
You should check the CPU score not total score Reaction I had 5820K @ 4,5Ghz which has same ipc as first gen Ryzen, no way 2500K will have any changes against 6 core / 12 thread ryzen, unless its some shit engine that uses only 4 threads.

Ryzen 5 2600 normal score with good ram is over 6K CPU score, while 2500K @ 4,5Ghz is something like 3K (ish) when overclocked 4.5Ghz, so totally the same score Laughing.
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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Feb 2019 13:13    Post subject:
My CPU bottlenecking seems directly related to the amount of draw calls. Reshade has a Statistics tab that shows the draw calls while playing games.
Around 6000 draw calls it starts to drop from 75fps, then above ~8600 draw calls it gets bad and drops below 50fps.
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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Feb 2019 13:28    Post subject:
Futuremark CPU Score is indeed very useless as an indicator for how well your CPU will fare in games.

Of course the 2500K (somehow I thought it was a 2600K in my post above) will have an extremely low score in that benchmark with only 4 threads.

It still has similar IPC to AMD 1x00 gen. if OCed to 4.5Ghz. I upgraded from a 3570K@4.5Ghz (which is quite similar to the 2500K) to a 1700X@3.9Ghz and noticed practically no improvement on single threads. Now there are other benefits of having this many and more efficient threads at your disposal, so it would still be a significant upgrade.


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PostPosted: Wed, 20th Feb 2019 14:21    Post subject:
Not much about gpu's st this page Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Feb 2019 10:18    Post subject:
Only hot topics about GPU´s currently are, high prices, failing 2080ti cards and idling tensor cores and overall how fail RTX tech has been.
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Feb 2019 12:16    Post subject:
GTX 1880 Ti aka. RTX 2080 Ti without useless crap for an affordable price is all we need atm.


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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Feb 2019 12:19    Post subject:
Not going to happen, nvidia is not that dumb to sell 2080ti without RTX features for lower price. This price hiking they are doing, next Ti costs like 2000 euros, seems that there is no ceiling for their pricing, people just pays what they ask. Would be hot seller tho if they would make one for the normal TI price what it was before, but then they would need cut RTX 2080 price, since that took 1080Ti pricing...
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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Feb 2019 13:32    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
Only hot topics about GPU´s currently are, high prices, failing 2080ti cards and idling tensor cores and overall how fail RTX tech has been.


You forgot to mention their amazing blur filter DLSS. Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Feb 2019 13:42    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
Breezer_ wrote:
Only hot topics about GPU´s currently are, high prices, failing 2080ti cards and idling tensor cores and overall how fail RTX tech has been.


You forgot to mention their amazing blur filter DLSS. Wink


Oh yeah that also Laughing
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Shocktrooper




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PostPosted: Thu, 21st Feb 2019 13:42    Post subject:
This crap with high prices seems to be a universal phenomenon, just look at smartphones, electric cars, high end gaming monitors, the housing market... I wonder what's the science behind it. There must be enough people in the world now that will pay these prices so the corporations or whatever can afford catering to the upper 20% or so and ignoring the rest.
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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 00:14    Post subject:
lmao!

I love the start of their vid. First I thought youtube was just streaming while buffering but...


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couleur
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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 00:23    Post subject:
Gamers Nexus is somehow the most watchable of all these channels.


I think its the hair.


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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 00:26    Post subject:
Definitely Steve's hair. No dandruff either.


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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 01:49    Post subject:
dlss blur once seen cant be unseen Laughing


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escalibur




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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 12:14    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
Not going to happen, nvidia is not that dumb to sell 2080ti without RTX features for lower price. This price hiking they are doing, next Ti costs like 2000 euros, seems that there is no ceiling for their pricing, people just pays what they ask. Would be hot seller tho if they would make one for the normal TI price what it was before, but then they would need cut RTX 2080 price, since that took 1080Ti pricing...


With all the dominance NVIDIA is still in hopeless situation. The stocks are going down and regardless of their performances top RTX cards are not selling well. In addition to that no studio is gonna pay royalty licenses to Ray Tracing bullshit considering that less than 5% of Steam gamers can actually use it.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1180-spotted-in-hp-documentation-is-nvidia-preparing-a-non-rtx-flagship/

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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 12:34    Post subject:
Not only most users can't use it, most users that DO have RTX won't use it due to the performance crippling result of using it.

I sometimes wonder who the hell leads these mega corporations for them to make such idiotic decisions? They must have felt that their position allowed them to strong-arm everyone, forcing them to swallow their crap. With the mining craze having left tons of gamers in the cold with no affordable option, they probably thought "hey, let's make use of this situation and sell expensive cards now that people grew accustomed to high prices anyway!". As if people suddenly can afford €1000 for a graphics card when the rest of a system doesn't even cost that much (or even half that if you go budget) combined.
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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 14:23    Post subject:
escalibur wrote:
Breezer_ wrote:
Not going to happen, nvidia is not that dumb to sell 2080ti without RTX features for lower price. This price hiking they are doing, next Ti costs like 2000 euros, seems that there is no ceiling for their pricing, people just pays what they ask. Would be hot seller tho if they would make one for the normal TI price what it was before, but then they would need cut RTX 2080 price, since that took 1080Ti pricing...


With all the dominance NVIDIA is still in hopeless situation. The stocks are going down and regardless of their performances top RTX cards are not selling well. In addition to that no studio is gonna pay royalty licenses to Ray Tracing bullshit considering that less than 5% of Steam gamers can actually use it.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1180-spotted-in-hp-documentation-is-nvidia-preparing-a-non-rtx-flagship/

Like Justin Bieber says...’never say never’ Smile


They will fill the 999 dollars price point with this card, a.k.a starting at 1099 euros Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 14:58    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
lmao!

I love the start of their vid. First I thought youtube was just streaming while buffering but...

I don't get what you are talking about Mad
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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 16:17    Post subject:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
Frant wrote:
lmao!

I love the start of their vid. First I thought youtube was just streaming while buffering but...

I don't get what you are talking about Mad


It's fine, most of the time we don't get what you talk about either. Cool Face


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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 17:48    Post subject:
red_avatar wrote:
Not only most users can't use it, most users that DO have RTX won't use it due to the performance crippling result of using it.


That too!


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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 18:23    Post subject:
So the proper 1060 replacement has finally arrived (seems like a price/performance winner for 1440p is here):



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couleur
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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 18:36    Post subject:
Meh... The 1070 was on sale for below 300€ a few times these last weeks, at least in Germany. It was the better choice.


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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 18:47    Post subject:
Yeah, not worth it as long as you can get an equally fast 1070 with 8gb VRAM in a sale for same price or cheaper. The 1660Ti will only become interesting when it's cheaper (<250€) and/or the 1070 reserves finally run out.
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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 19:06    Post subject:
Let’s see if these clickbaiters .. uhh i mean reviewers will check the dlss update in metro exodus. According to most people its no longer blurry, offers almost same sharpness as native while better perf.


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PostPosted: Fri, 22nd Feb 2019 19:36    Post subject:
But DLSS is just a band-aid for the lack of affordable GPU power to drive 4K gaming @ 60fps+.

As for VRAM, there are still no discernible uses for more than 6GB of VRAM unless you go 4K.


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