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These people genuinely do think they are owed money from consumers. One of the reasons it's so stupid whenever they bring out the "entitled" card.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 11:01 Post subject: |
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They just digging the hole deeper  
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 11:04 Post subject: |
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well look at it this way... maybe this whole drama will create an incentive for CPY et al to get cackling right away (D being confirmed and all)
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 11:40 Post subject: |
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| djaoni wrote: | | These people genuinely do think they are owed money from consumers. One of the reasons it's so stupid whenever they bring out the "entitled" card. |
Well unless you do that kind of job, it's hard to understand. Part of my job is customer relationship and I bend over backwards to please a customer. If that same customer then leaves for a competitor that is known to have a shitty service because they're 2% cheaper, I get pissed off too and more than once I've let the customer (and these are global organizations with thousands of employees) know that I was not happy to see them move after all we've done for them.
Some return pretty quickly after realizing we're the only ones providing such a good service but others have really stubborn buyers who don't have to deal with the fallout of moving to another supplier with a crappy service (those are more concerned about being able to tell their bosses they saved 2% even if it means it costs them 10% more in the end due to delays, bad quality deliveries, etc.).
With this whole Steam/Epic system, I'm not surprised some of the devs feel betrayed. They probably feel they've been working their asses off to please the fans only for them to turn on them which may feel personal to some. I think many gamers forget that these games require a lot of time and effort to make - this is not a 9 to 5 job. It takes creativity and a lot of motivation to make a good game. Anyone doing creative work will understand.
And don't forget: there may be a real financial reason for the move to Epic beyond mere greed. Deep Silver hasn't been doing too well and may see no other alternative so while gamers are moaning, the people working for 4A Games may be worried the studio will get closed, moved, or downsized if profits aren't high enough. The move to Epic is one element but now the gamer backlash is threatening to severely harm their sales so I'm absolutely not surprised by this. It doesn't stop it making it a stupid move but there's two sounds to the coin.
And too many gamers DO act like babies. Yes, publishers and developers rely on fans, but that doesn't stop many fans from going overboard. If you don't like it, write a poor review and don't buy it. Don't harass developers or publishers, don't moan about it for months on end, ... just get over it. It gives gamers a bad name and you're just not taken seriously this way.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 11:51 Post subject: |
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Who is harassing developers exactly? By the sounds of the crybabies at 4A and writer, merely saying that I will not buy or that a bad review will come, that's harassment in and of itself. "Anyone doing creative work will understand"
If gamers were not taken seriously, developers and writers would not be threatening and accusing of betrayal.
"Anyone doing creative work" will know that you don't bite the hand that is feeding you, namely gamers and where you have done most of your distribution work (Steam). What you gain in the short term (postponing closure, etc.) you lose in the mid-to-long term by insulting everyone that has made you what you are. |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 12:07 Post subject: |
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And don't forget: there may be a real financial reason for the move to Epic beyond mere greed. Deep Silver hasn't been doing too well and may see no other alternative so while gamers are moaning, the people working for 4A Games may be worried the studio will get closed, moved, or downsized if profits aren't high enough. The move to Epic is one element but now the gamer backlash is threatening to severely harm their sales so I'm absolutely not surprised by this. It doesn't stop it making it a stupid move but there's two sounds to the coin. |
The Epic deal was in place 10 months ago. If they needed additional funding to finish development they could've been transparent about their reasoning with their fan base. They knew it would cause a backlash, because it wasn't out of necessity. That's why they pushed the Epic announcement so far back in hope there won't be many cancellations after they release more gameplay, trailers and generally hype the title up. It seems that didn't work out as expected and as you described some of the developers started lashing out of frustration.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 12:26 Post subject: |
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| bronson wrote: |
The Epic deal was in place 10 months ago. If they needed additional funding to finish development they could've been transparent about their reasoning with their fan base. They knew it would cause a backlash, because it wasn't out of necessity. That's why they pushed the Epic announcement so far back in hope there won't be many cancellations after they release more gameplay, trailers and generally hype the title up. It seems that didn't work out as expected and as you described some of the developers started lashing out of frustration. |
Oh, like I said, the move was a bad one - that I don't deny. They're publishers so are generally assholes. My point is more about how the developers feel part of it. The publisher was responsible for all this but the developer gets a large part of the blame and will ultimately get punished for it since it will result in poor sales and of course Deep Silver will find someone to blame ... . Seriously, if you work 4-5 years, every day, on a project to see it end like this just as it would be released, ... it's going to be fucking painful.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 12:34 Post subject: |
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Before the 4A developer interview, show me who blamed the developers exactly. Everyone knew it was the publisher doing shady publisher nonsense.
And if they felt betrayed, they were betrayed by the publishers. That's where they should have pointed fingers. I understand why they cannot do that, but lashing out at your customers is so insurmountably stupid, they are now reaping all "rewards" from it by being ridiculed as they should be.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 14:27 Post subject: |
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The way he recorded his message feels kinda insulting tbh. What's with the looking down and hiding behind the light camera angle? I'm your God-father! Hear me out, plebs! Don't u dare betray us!
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 15:30 Post subject: |
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the guy was clearly reading his speech
you can see his eyes moving from one side to the other and back
why would he want to hide that though
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 16:01 Post subject: |
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Well, buying this now will be supporting that steaming pile of turd publisher and Epic, and that my friends is simply not something i'm willing to do. If i could somehow buy this in a way where only the development studio got the funds, then i'd do it.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 16:44 Post subject: |
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Not like I was planning on buying it after that mess. When I saw him talk about 'betray' I would have slapped him right there and then. Piece of shit.
And that 'Poor A4'... atm I'm not buying it that the whole reason they are silent is because of keeping the publisher happy... well except that one twat, who might have voiced the vibe that's going on in that studio after all. 
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 16:57 Post subject: |
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And this will be a good learning lesson for Deep Silver. Unless they're stubborn and vengeful of course.
But also don't forget that people are forgetful and emotions fade. Expect this to sell pretty good in a few weeks, especially if it doesn't get cracked swiftly.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 16:59 Post subject: |
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| red_avatar wrote: | | djaoni wrote: | | These people genuinely do think they are owed money from consumers. One of the reasons it's so stupid whenever they bring out the "entitled" card. |
Well unless you do that kind of job, it's hard to understand. Part of my job is customer relationship and I bend over backwards to please a customer. If that same customer then leaves for a competitor that is known to have a shitty service because they're 2% cheaper, I get pissed off too and more than once I've let the customer (and these are global organizations with thousands of employees) know that I was not happy to see them move after all we've done for them.
Some return pretty quickly after realizing we're the only ones providing such a good service but others have really stubborn buyers who don't have to deal with the fallout of moving to another supplier with a crappy service (those are more concerned about being able to tell their bosses they saved 2% even if it means it costs them 10% more in the end due to delays, bad quality deliveries, etc.).
With this whole Steam/Epic system, I'm not surprised some of the devs feel betrayed. They probably feel they've been working their asses off to please the fans only for them to turn on them which may feel personal to some. I think many gamers forget that these games require a lot of time and effort to make - this is not a 9 to 5 job. It takes creativity and a lot of motivation to make a good game. Anyone doing creative work will understand.
And don't forget: there may be a real financial reason for the move to Epic beyond mere greed. Deep Silver hasn't been doing too well and may see no other alternative so while gamers are moaning, the people working for 4A Games may be worried the studio will get closed, moved, or downsized if profits aren't high enough. The move to Epic is one element but now the gamer backlash is threatening to severely harm their sales so I'm absolutely not surprised by this. It doesn't stop it making it a stupid move but there's two sounds to the coin.
And too many gamers DO act like babies. Yes, publishers and developers rely on fans, but that doesn't stop many fans from going overboard. If you don't like it, write a poor review and don't buy it. Don't harass developers or publishers, don't moan about it for months on end, ... just get over it. It gives gamers a bad name and you're just not taken seriously this way. |
they released 2 games before which they milked with a remaster each and console releases plus nvidia brand deal + steam preorder period for the exodus gamewasnt enough for them so they needed the epic exclusivity money too? I hope they dont choke on all that money.
Maybe they shouldnt blow all their money for hookers and coke then.
I doubt they ll make more money than they would have with a steam release but they gambled and thought they could sell more or less the same amount of games +plus the epic paycheck. This is greedy nothing else.
If you get hated by your own customers shady practices will keep you afloat only for a certain period of time becaus eyour customers will loose the trust and the fandom disappears.
corporate fucks tbh. There are better examples (devs/publishers)out there.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2019 23:40 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2019 01:17 Post subject: |
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I'm just going to pirate this, problem solved.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2019 01:36 Post subject: |
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Eh, I just bough access to the steam gold version, for like 2 usd. The account has Guard and a promise of no more than 5 people a day getting the password, so even if I lose access later it's just fucking 2 dollars.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2019 03:08 Post subject: |
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| Bendi wrote: | | Eh, I just bough access to the steam gold version, for like 2 usd. The account has Guard and a promise of no more than 5 people a day getting the password, so even if I lose access later it's just fucking 2 dollars. |
So what's the point? Why not just get the cracked? Does this somehow make you feel better about yourself? The publisher will see as much as it would if you pirated: zero $. |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2019 03:29 Post subject: |
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I just think it's far worse to risk an IP ban or just losing the game after you've played it for a few hours/days. If it takes a month, you so desperate to play it? |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Feb 2019 20:15 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: |
I can't think of any recent relevant example where exclusivity + anti-competitive behaviour (to Epic's degree) has been the issue. |
Let's face it, we're what Schreier of Kotaku fame would call "toxic consumers". We buy most of our games during sales, complain if they're not working properly and get angry when publishers pull shit like Derp Silver did
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