[PSP] Fanboy Bullshit
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hiatus_gsw
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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006 22:34    Post subject: [PSP] Fanboy Bullshit
Is it worth getting a PSP now? Since all the new games require a 2.0+ FW and there is no way to make these games work w/o the original UMD. Is the scene dead because I dont see any new game releases or news about possible hacks in development!!!

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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006 22:46    Post subject:
never. just get a DS Very Happy


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[sYn]
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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006 22:48    Post subject:
the ISO scene is pretty much dead.. however the homebrew scene, which has some great programs is still very much alive Very Happy They're still worth it, should that be what your after.. it really depends on what your looking for?
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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Feb 2006 23:17    Post subject:
if you are some cheapskate than get the NDS. If you like real games and dont mind buying 1 or 2 than get the PSP.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 00:55    Post subject:
CRA$HH110011001 wrote:
if you are some cheapskate than get the NDS. If you like real games and dont mind buying 1 or 2 than get the PSP.


This is by far the dumbest shit I read all day.
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 01:00    Post subject:
Who-CareZ wrote:
CRA$HH110011001 wrote:
if you are some cheapskate than get the NDS. If you like real games and dont mind buying 1 or 2 than get the PSP.


This is by far the dumbest shit I read all day.


Laughing I agree. Real games? Tell me what PSP games are actually any good? We all know that GTA was a big let down and bar 1 or 2 it odesn't have a whole lot going for it. The NDS has resident evil, metroid prime, the new super mario bros, Castlevania 2 and that's just to come! nevermind the amazing shit out already such as mario kart, animal crossing, nintendogs, castlevania, kirby and Super mario.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 01:13    Post subject:
Sublime wrote:
Who-CareZ wrote:
CRA$HH110011001 wrote:
if you are some cheapskate than get the NDS. If you like real games and dont mind buying 1 or 2 than get the PSP.


This is by far the dumbest shit I read all day.


Laughing I agree. Real games? Tell me what PSP games are actually any good? We all know that GTA was a big let down and bar 1 or 2 it odesn't have a whole lot going for it. The NDS has resident evil, metroid prime, the new super mario bros, Castlevania 2 and that's just to come! nevermind the amazing shit out already such as mario kart, animal crossing, nintendogs, castlevania, kirby and Super mario.


Also atleast the NDS scene is active. PSP scene = dead

No Bullshit firmware upgrades for NDS means we can play as many back ups we want for as long as we want.
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 01:19    Post subject:
NDS is been there done that!

PSP is way better.

you can watch movies and listen to MP3's and play REAL 3D games.

GTA is not a let down, the game rocks very hard!

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/925776.asp?q=gta

nice 8.8 Smile

nds is cool when your 5 years old and like funky colors...


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 01:46    Post subject:
CRA$HH110011001 wrote:
NDS is been there done that!

PSP is way better.

you can watch movies and listen to MP3's and play REAL 3D games.

GTA is not a let down, the game rocks very hard!

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/925776.asp?q=gta

nice 8.8 Smile

nds is cool when your 5 years old and like funky colors...

I dont see how graphics are the main deal with you. And been there done that? Laughing I think you'll find the DS = UNIQUE
Look if i wanted the only useful things on a PSP I woulda got a PDA. The fact that the DS is a gaming machine only just backs up my point with the fact that the DS sold more last year, and is STILL selling more. when a '3D gaming powerhouse' has move films than games you know there's a problem.


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[sYn]
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 02:00    Post subject:
I think you will find that your statements are not FULLY true..

BBC NEWS wrote:
More than 185,000 were sold in its first four days in UK shops, say official Chart-Track figures.

Rival handheld, the Nintendo DS, sold 87,000 in its launch week in March.


The Register wrote:
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) sold 185,000 PlayStation Portable handheld consoles in the UK this past weekend, smashing the previous three-day record, set by Nintendo's DS in March.

Sony's sales, said market watcher Chart-Track, which provided the statistic, makes the PSP's UK debut the most successful console introduction in the territory yet.

The PSP went on sale in the UK on Thursday, 1 September, and Chart-Track's total combines sales on that day plus those of Friday and Saturday.

Nintendo sold 87,000 DS handhelds in the first three days' of the device's availability.


DS is beating PSP in SOFTWARE sales for sure, however the DS is not doing very well compaired to the PSP in hardware sales. This of course depends on when you look though, as PSP shortages did account for some slow months.

Although, the above is the european markets.. if you check the Japanese market things are very different..



But.. we're not from Japan now are we Razz? Either way the 2 machines have both flaws and perks, depending what you want, as I first stated, you could choose either device and be happy.

Sublime and Crash, your both wrong, pull your head of the companies asses and answer peoples questions based on what the console IS good at, not your own love for it..
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 02:09    Post subject:
[sYn] wrote:
I think you will find that your statements are not FULLY true..


Well considering the UK is a tiny percentage of the market it's not fair to judge it on that nor its release day sales. The DS was at a steady rate and games such as Mario kart have thosands of people online is something that Sony could only dream of. i'm not sure what the exact record for simultaneous players is but it's pretty high anyway. And that's just for mariokart though. With all the wifi things I wouldn't be surprised if this service was used more than the PSP's useless browser.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 02:13    Post subject:
Agree'ed, but the PSP does have homebrew, which from what I know the DS does not? Either way, Im not here to argue the PSP's case, I would personally much prefer a GP2X over both of them Razz! How about we compile a list of what each console has?

PSP:

Emulators
Homebrew Applications for MANY things
Better GFX (it does matter to some people)
Constant Firmware "improvements" to add further features.. - RSS and Web Browers, with an e-mail client on its way..

DS:

A better game release scene
More / Better games
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 02:32    Post subject:
[sYn] wrote:
PSP:
Emulators
Homebrew Applications for MANY things
Better GFX (it does matter to some people)
Constant Firmware "improvements" to add further features.. - RSS and Web Browers, with an e-mail client on its way..

DS:

A better game release scene
More / Better games


DS = Has emulators
DS = Has homebrew (probably more im not sure but there's so much you obviously don't know)
Firmware = a good thing? Personally why the fuck should I have to update my system to play a game!? It's a huge inconvenience especially when it should just be plug and play.

GFX = so what? IT HAS NO GAMES! Also I think the 2.5D engine on some games look amazing and the versatility of the DS coupled with the price = a sure winner.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 02:55    Post subject:
PSP better than DS, hahaha.

PSP is a deadweight, what a failure. Nice try Sony, Nintendo is just better than you in this arena.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 03:04    Post subject:
sTo0z wrote:
PSP better than DS, hahaha.

PSP is a deadweight, what a failure. Nice try Sony, Nintendo is just better than you in this arena.


I concur! Atleast Nintendo has not forgotten about actually making games for the DS.

Why the fuck would I want to send e-mails and browse the web with my PSP? Something I could give two shits about. I want games not a fucking GPS/Webrowser/Home made Bomb for a handheld console.

I own Both DS and PSP and I simply play with the DS wayyy more. The games are just alot more fun, graphics are not everything. And the only time I play with my PSP is not to play an actual PSP game, its to play games made by Nintendo Via Homebrew LOLL!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 03:05    Post subject:
*shrugs*

GP2X for the win Razz
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 03:11    Post subject:
[sYn] wrote:
*shrugs*

GP2X for the win Razz


Im interested in GP2X cause I keep hearing the Homebrew is amazing for it. Can it run MAME games/ CPS1 CPS2 games?
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 03:32    Post subject:
[sYn] wrote:
*shrugs*

GP2X for the win Razz


the gp2x is good but it's not unique like the DS. So DS ftw and syn for the loss Very Happy


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 12:27    Post subject:
Sublime wrote:
[sYn] wrote:
*shrugs*

GP2X for the win Razz


the gp2x is good but it's not unique like the DS. So DS ftw and syn for the loss Very Happy


Not unique? Dude, your a fucking moron. The GP2X is the ONLY linux based, DUAL CPU, OPEN SOURCE console EVER.
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 14:12    Post subject:
Yes but I mean you can play 99% of those games on a PC or other device. None of them have the ability to copy the Ds with it's touch screen play.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 14:55    Post subject:
Facts :
* The PSP is much more powerful than the DS
* The PSP has more features than the DS
* The PSP has good games, As well as the DS.
* The PSP has much more potentional for better homebrew/games because its alot more powerful than the DS.

Next point, The Nintendo DS Specs are a joke.

Quote:
Memory/RAM:

- ARM 9 - 67Mhz and ARM 7 - 33Mhz (Wow, That sounds so powerful I mean im sure it can't beat the PSP's 333Mhz with the powerful Media Engine. )

- The internal RAM is 64 KB and the VRAM (Video RAM) is 656 KB. ( LOL.)


I think I've made my point there. And no i don't give a crap about 2 low res screen's thanks. And yes i know one of the screen's has a touch screen. Heres one for you :
WHO CARES, is that the only thing going for it? Rolling Eyes

Give the PSP another year and it will be even better in terms of homebrew and games. Most PSP Dev's are only just discovering the full potential of the PSP.
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 15:19    Post subject:
DeMoN064 wrote:
Facts :
* The PSP is much more powerful than the DS

* The PSP has more features than the DS
* The PSP has good games, As well as the DS.
* The PSP has much more potentional for better homebrew/games because its alot more powerful than the DS.


Has more features? A media player? the DS has a media player (from homebrew) Will probably have a browser too now that the bios has been dumped. The firmware on the PSP is a big hinderance to this homebrew. Ok it might be able to emulate things better but until I see it running N64 games in smooth motion then i'll say it's worth it. I know you're going to say 'but the DS can't even emulate N64 games'... yea but it can do scumm, snes, gba, gb, gbc, mega drive etc.

has good games? Well every system might have a few good games (for example wipeout is good) but the fact is that the ds has BETTER games.

Has potential for better homebrew games? Gameplay outweighs graphics! Well I think that the DS has more potential for homebrew. For a start it has the touch screen. Already we've seen additional levels for polarium released which utilises this, so it can be done.

Quote:
Next point, The Nintendo DS Specs are a joke.
Memory/RAM:

- ARM 9 - 67Mhz and ARM 7 - 33Mhz (Wow, That sounds so powerful I mean im sure it can't beat the PSP's 333Mhz with the powerful Media Engine. )

- The internal RAM is 64 KB and the VRAM (Video RAM) is 656 KB. ( LOL.)

I think I've made my point there. And no i don't give a crap about 2 Super low res screen's thanks.


Those specs might be meager but goven that nontendo gets the best out of it's machines there are some beautiful games out and even with the 'cartnoon kiddy style' Games like mariokart are amazing to play.

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Give the PSP another year and it will be even better in terms of homebrew and games. Most PSP Dev's are only just discovering the full potential of the PSP.


Well stays released on IGN show that there is little hope for the market and developers for the PSP ( http://ds.ign.com/articles/684/684990p1.html ) You might say 'but thats only in japan' Given that sony is a favoured japanese company you'd at least expect SOMETHING from there. And the fact that devs don't rate it says it all.

edit: (since you added more on)
Well in response to the '2 crappy screens' The DS lite is going to have the same (possibly better) quality screens than the PSP. And it will be smudge proof and generally better quality (in terms of lifespan, enduarance etc.)

And who cares about a touch screen? Well I'd love to see you play a master piece like Kirby on the PSP!

And we have to wait a year to get the best out of the PSP? Well in that year the DS will have more market share and even more games out. It's all down hill for the PSP from here.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 15:23    Post subject:
Sublime wrote:
Yes but I mean you can play 99% of those games on a PC or other device. None of them have the ability to copy the Ds with it's touch screen play.


So? Can you carry your PC in your pocket? NO.. thats the point of a handheld, portable games. The DS has the same games as the SNES in the most with the exeption of its "wonderful" Laughing touchscreen.

* CPUs Dual-core: ARM920T (host 200 MHz) + ARM940T (200 MHz) - Overclockable by software
* Chipset: MMSP2
* NAND Flash ROM: 64 MB
* RAM: SDRAM 64 MB
* Operating System: Linux based OS
* Storage: SD Card (SDIO support probable in future)
* Connection: USB 2.0 High Speed
* Power: 2 × AA battery
* Display: 3.5 in 320×240 color TFT LCD
* TV out: yes (with optional cable; S-video only, not to mention audio relay)
* AC power: 3.3 V
* Physical size: 142mm wide, 82mm high, 27mm deep (exc. joystick) approx

Just to add onto the statement above about the PSP being more powerful than the DS and thus having more potential for homebrew/games.. the GP2X is also more powerful.
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 15:26    Post subject:
[sYn] wrote:
So? Can you carry your PC in your pocket? NO.. thats the point of a handheld, portable games.


Well I don't wanna play remakes of quake though. I'd have one for it's mame but thats about it. I was looking into buying one last year but It's promised a lot and especially from the community but it's not got very far.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 15:34    Post subject:
Sublime wrote:
[sYn] wrote:
So? Can you carry your PC in your pocket? NO.. thats the point of a handheld, portable games.


Well I don't wanna play remakes of quake though. I'd have one for it's mame but thats about it. I was looking into buying one last year but It's promised a lot and especially from the community but it's not got very far.


Clearly your not following the damn thing are you? Come on.. admit it?

Its the first handheld to have a working PS emulator, it has all of the other consoles emulated (with the obvious exception of the N64 which is hard to emulate for cartridge based reasons)..

Atari 800 Atari 800 emulator
B-EM 2X BBC Micro Emulator
Bochs-GP2X Bochs, a PC emulator
CapriceGP2x An Amstrad CPC Emulator
Cygne 2x Wonderswan Emulator
DrMDx Megadrive/Genesis emulator
EFCS Chip-8 emulator
FCE-Ultra GP2X NES Emulator
Frodo2x The Frodo Commodore 64 emulator
Fuse Spectrum emulator
GnGeo2x NeoGeo emulator
GNUBoy Gameboy & Gameboy color Emulator
GP2PSX PSX Emulator
GP2Xengine PC Engine/Turbo Grafx 16 emulator
GP2XHandy Atari Lynx Emu for GP2x
Gp2xMESS Port of the MESS emulator
GP2Xpectrum A ZX Spectrum Emulato
gp2xVBA GameBoy Advance emulator but slow
Handy2x Atari Lynx emulator
Legacy IBM PC 8086 émulator
MAME GP2X MAME emulator using the 0.34 official version who can support 1024 games
MAME Pacman Arcades Pacman, Ms Pacman, Pengo Emulator.
MAME Williams MAME Williams arcade emulator.
MAME Black Tiger MAME Black Tiger game emulator.
NeoCDGP2X NeoGeo CD emulator.
NeoPOP-GP2X Neogeo pocket emulator.
NES2x NES emulator.
OutcaST The Atari ST computer emulator.
Phamicom NES emulator
SMSPlus2X Master System/Game Gear emulator
SnesGP2X Super Nintendo/Famicom emulator
SquidgeSNES Super Nintendo/Famicom emulator
Stella Emulateur Atari 2600
UAE4all Amiga Emulator
VICE2X Emulator for C64, C128, VIC20, Plus/4, Pet and CBM-II.

And thats JUST the emulators.. there are hundereds of applications and games, both ports and original creations.

I am not denying that the DS is good, it is, but you shouldnt be so blind as to think "its the best" just because you like it more. Again, each console has good and bad points, learn that your opinion does not govern fact.
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 15:43    Post subject:
Where's the cheapest place to buy a Gp2X?


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 15:50    Post subject:
Sublime wrote:
Where's the cheapest place to buy a Gp2X?


in UK you can get from here: http://gp2x.co.uk/ordergp2x.html
not sure about anywhere else though. edit: looks like they only have white ones. You can't choose the colour. I want a black one Crying or Very sad

I'm gonna stay out of this debate. Love both the DS and PSP in their own special ways.
Also gonna get a GP2X just for the hell of it. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 15:56    Post subject:
Yes I saw that but I wouldn't buy it for more than £60. for the media player what file types does it take? Does it require converting or anything? The tv out thing is about the only thing that saved it for me since I wouldn't mind playin all them games fullsize on a TV. And as for the PS emu.. do those games even get dumped anymore? Shocked


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 16:06    Post subject:
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Has more features? A media player? the DS has a media player (from homebrew) Will probably have a browser too now that the bios has been dumped. The firmware on the PSP is a big hinderance to this homebrew. Ok it might be able to emulate things better but until I see it running N64 games in smooth motion then i'll say it's worth it. I know you're going to say 'but the DS can't even emulate N64 games'... yea but it can do scumm, snes, gba, gb, gbc, mega drive etc.


Can you use winamp shoutcast stream's on a DS?
Can you use streaming TV on a DS?
Can you use a web browser on the DS?
Can you broadcast MP3's from your PC to your PSP?
Can you run RSS Feeds on the DS?

Hell , Can you use your DS as an FTP server?

Just a number of features the PSP has.

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Has potential for better homebrew games? Gameplay outweighs graphics! Well I think that the DS has more potential for homebrew. For a start it has the touch screen. Already we've seen additional levels for polarium released which utilises this, so it can be done.


There is no way you can say the DS has more potential for homebrew, Its not powerful enough to do so, For example a PSX emulator for the PSP is in devlopement you will NEVER see such a thing on a DS. Ever. Hell there could even be a working N64 Emulator for it.

Also on the PSP Homebrew dev's are only just starting to use the Media Engine and the 3D GFX Cores. For more advanced homebrew games.

The DS might have a touch screen, The PSP has the power for advanced homebrew.

Quote:


Those specs might be meager but goven that nontendo gets the best out of it's machines there are some beautiful games out and even with the 'cartnoon kiddy style' Games like mariokart are amazing to play.


So is GTA:LCS , Wipeout , SOCOM these game's get the best out of the machine and its amazing to play, so your point is? I seem to find these games more enjoyable then the cartoon style games the DS has. I mean i would kinda get bored of all those mario games out for the DS, Oh i can't wait for Mario basketball! Rolling Eyes

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Well stays released on IGN show that there is little hope for the market and developers for the PSP ( http://ds.ign.com/articles/684/684990p1.html ) You might say 'but thats only in japan' Given that sony is a favoured japanese company you'd at least expect SOMETHING from there. And the fact that devs don't rate it says it all.


There's alot more upcoming games coming out for PSP, If the dev's think there is little hope why would there be all these upcoming games coming out for it?

Quote:
And who cares about a touch screen? Well I'd love to see you play a master piece like Kirby on the PSP!


From looking at those screenshot's i don't think i would want to Razz , I've already said i'm not interested in the touch screen. Some are, I'm not. You don't need a touch screen to have good gameplay.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Feb 2006 16:07    Post subject:
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That means it can play movies without any re-encoding. Just put them onto an SD card. Any size. Any resolution. No messing about. The GP2X scaling chip will resize to fit the screen. No other handheld can do that.

you won't get one for anywhere near £60 Laughing
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