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Frant
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Linux and all it's variants are mostly aimed at linux-geeks, a very special group of people who love to write complex commands in Bash like it's 1989 and see Windows as an evil imperialistic tool to control the masses. The biggest problem with Linux is that there are so many different variants/distros with their own install/package format that isn't compatible with other variants. That makes for messy compatibility issues and a lack of streamlining the experience for non-geeks.
Linux has it's place as server and similar but as a user friendly OS? Nope. Will never happen since there's no consensus on standardizing the OS to the point where most distros are 100% compatible with each other. Then we have hardware support. Drivers for Linux (GPU etc.) are usually nowhere near the sophistication of Windows drivers for a normal user that play games, run photoshop etc.
Then we have the ideological movement among many Linux users where closed source software is evil just like Microsoft is evil. That definitely doesn't sit well with serious and realistic software developers who are trying to make a living.
To me, Linux is a lame duck (no pun intended Pumpy) but I'm not anti-linux, I just don't see the point of using it since it's a mess to learn the system, compiling kernels, compatibility is often crap, software is often written by a single guy or perhaps a small team. Meanwhile the commercial companies see linux as a curiosity with low chances of making a profit (or even get the money spent on investments back). The linux community is partly to blame for linux not exploding and replacing windows and osx since they like it the way it is.
At least that's my opinion. And I'm not saying linux is crap, just that it's simply not for the masses no matter how many distros with Windows-like UI's they come up with.
When it comes to VR it's basically stuck in a niche corner. More development (hardware and software) is necessary as well as lower prices for headsets (which will hopefully happen sooner or later as VR-adoption is growing and production of VR tech is cost reduced due to improved technology ramping up production making it cheaper to manufacture headsets and other VR peripherals). I'd love to play around with Oculus and/or Vive but the price is just off the charts for 99%+ of the possible user base. It doesn't help when game developers patch their game using VR API only to give VR-users a crap experience.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2019 19:21 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | The biggest problem with Linux is that there are so many different variants/distros with their own install/package format that isn't compatible with other variants. That makes for messy compatibility issues and a lack of streamlining the experience for non-geeks. |
Most distributions (95+ percent) are Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat Enterprise or Arch derivatives and therefore using a total of three installation package format. The compatibility issues lie in another place (strict dependency on certain libraries' versions, because many developers don't read the documentation).
| Frant wrote: | | To me, Linux is a lame duck (no pun intended Pumpy) but I'm not anti-linux, I just don't see the point of using it since it's a mess to learn the system, compiling kernels, compatibility is often crap, software is often written by a single guy or perhaps a small team. |
Recompiling kernels is literally useless since Pentium 4. Even system installers which tend to build drivers for a specific kernel version shipped with your distro version tend to do it transparently in the background, so the end user doesn't see it.
If I was a game developer, I wouldn't make a Linux version of the game strictly because of effort / market share ratio, but many of your points are just way obsolete. Current versions of mainstream distros (e.g. Ubuntu) are as usable as OS X.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Feb 2019 22:27 Post subject: |
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@Guy_Incognito fair post, i daily drive Arch for work having used win, osx and linux extensively. Have no issues but it is my business to know all the ins and outs of linux.
Closed source is bad for u the user, if you cant see that after gsync, physx then u cant be helped.
Never been easier to learn, use or develop on since systemd has somewhat standardized the ways a lot of things are handled between distros. Can understand why u may be confused by different distros, at the end of the day the its mostly base installed packages + package format.. really not that hard.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 07:41 Post subject: |
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Todays average computer user is just too illiterate and lacking knowledge of the basic computer terminology. See the Steam forums for example - people are having trouble with basic concepts such as searching for a file, editing a file, changing file extension etc. Ten years ago at least you had to install or update drivers by yourself, now Windows 10 is doing it for you in the background and it's taking its toll - the average user is treating the computer as cellphone and has just about as same knowledge of it.
Todays major Linux distros such as Ubuntu are technically easier to use than e.g. Windows XP, but if the user is ignorant, nothing helps.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 08:27 Post subject: |
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| Guy_Incognito wrote: | Todays average computer user is just too illiterate and lacking knowledge of the basic computer terminology. See the Steam forums for example - people are having trouble with basic concepts such as searching for a file, editing a file, changing file extension etc. Ten years ago at least you had to install or update drivers by yourself, now Windows 10 is doing it for you in the background and it's taking its toll - the average user is treating the computer as cellphone and has just about as same knowledge of it.
Todays major Linux distros such as Ubuntu are technically easier to use than e.g. Windows XP, but if the user is ignorant, nothing helps. |
Yes and No, personally I'm not a fan of abstracting away whats really happening with flaky GUI built on X server like the popular distros. The problem with that is newcomers learn nothing and when something doesn't work = bitch online about linux failing them when really it's their own derp self just not understanding wtf is happening.
I'd recommend newcomers start with Arch, debian or something very stock without KDE, Gnome or any of that garbage installed on top. E.g start to get an understanding of X Server, what is Systemd?, where are my logs?, there are 5-6 network managers out there used across distro's and you could ditch them all for systemd-networkd if you like (this is very diff concept to win or osx), if your non technical then very good chance just don't bother, but bitching on linux because your too retarded to use man or google something is v. annoying.
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Frant
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 08:31 Post subject: |
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| Guy_Incognito wrote: | | Frant wrote: | | The biggest problem with Linux is that there are so many different variants/distros with their own install/package format that isn't compatible with other variants. That makes for messy compatibility issues and a lack of streamlining the experience for non-geeks. |
Most distributions (95+ percent) are Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat Enterprise or Arch derivatives and therefore using a total of three installation package format. The compatibility issues lie in another place (strict dependency on certain libraries' versions, because many developers don't read the documentation).
| Frant wrote: | | To me, Linux is a lame duck (no pun intended Pumpy) but I'm not anti-linux, I just don't see the point of using it since it's a mess to learn the system, compiling kernels, compatibility is often crap, software is often written by a single guy or perhaps a small team. |
Recompiling kernels is literally useless since Pentium 4. Even system installers which tend to build drivers for a specific kernel version shipped with your distro version tend to do it transparently in the background, so the end user doesn't see it.
If I was a game developer, I wouldn't make a Linux version of the game strictly because of effort / market share ratio, but many of your points are just way obsolete. Current versions of mainstream distros (e.g. Ubuntu) are as usable as OS X. |
To be fair I haven't used linux in ~10 years so things may very well have changed for the better. I still have no use for linux personally and I can't see it making much of a market dent for private use.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 18:44 Post subject: ***** |
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*****
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 19:01 Post subject: |
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I agree, everything that ever happens from now on is thanks to Epic.
I want to thank Epic for making this post.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 19:18 Post subject: ***** |
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*****
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 20:22 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 20:25 Post subject: |
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so can i get a game for the tokens or what?
i could get the golden profle but it lasts only until the end of the sale
Gustave the Steel
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 20:29 Post subject: |
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| AKofC wrote: | so can i get a game for the tokens or what?
i could get the golden profle but it lasts only until the end of the sale |
Just the 15k tokens for another 5€ discount. I assume this discount would be applicable without having to get above 30€ so technically a game I guess.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 20:30 Post subject: |
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yeesh how much am i going to have to spend to get 10k tokens lol
might as well get the pig emoticons and chat up my muslim friends
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proekaan
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 22:47 Post subject: |
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Meh, guess I'll grab the DSP emoticons with my 2000 tokens 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 23:37 Post subject: |
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Nah, done with my badge binge 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 23:37 Post subject: |
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wtf do I do with 4000 tokens ?
3080 | ps5 pro
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Feb 2019 23:59 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | wtf do I do with 4000 tokens ? |
you can make your name golden and profile sexy.
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Frant
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Feb 2019 04:13 Post subject: |
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I got 1000 tokens. Oh well.
I guess I'll buy the emoticons and either turn them into gems for booster packs or sell the emoticons or something.
And:
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Feb 2019 07:57 Post subject: |
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I really hope this token thing is a 1 time test that fails as I would hate for this sort of thing to become the norm for the sales as even with how little cards pay out I rather make 25 cents during a sale than nothing.
There are a few things I might pick up like Fear Effect Sedna because of the big discount and Square Enix just does not seem to be willing to add it to any bundles so for $2 (which was left over card money from the Winter event) I don't mind much even if the game is not the best.
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Frant
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Feb 2019 08:06 Post subject: |
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Well, the emoticons are non-tradable, non-marketable and I guess the same goes for everything. Utterly pointless. Unless you have 15K tokens so you can trade for the $5 discount for 'certain' games at $30+ the tokens and it's rewards are worthless. No more of this shit, please Steam.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Feb 2019 07:22 Post subject: |
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2 people on my friendslist have recently sent me phishing links on Steam. Seems there is a new wave of hijackings going on with lot of experienced users falling for it somehow.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Feb 2019 21:19 Post subject: |
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seems like they refreshed design on all dialogboxes throughout the store
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2019 09:31 Post subject: |
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https://store.steampowered.com/about/
The way I see it, every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but vice versa, the bad things don’t always spoil the good things and make them unimportant.
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