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pho08




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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Dec 2018 12:04    Post subject:
hey guys i got a quick question

so im running a i5-3570k @4,5ghz (16gb RAM) and an ancient GTX670 (2gb).
Monitoring my system ressources in current games i get the impression that while the CPU is still very much up for the task the gpu is just not suitable anymore for recent games.

so i was wondering if it made sense to just switch the 670 for a 1070 or if that would lead to some serious bottlenecking?
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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Dec 2018 12:10    Post subject:
Of course you will have some bottlenecking but it will be a massive boost still.

edit: If you play at 60Hz, then, in my opinion, its worth the upgrade.


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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Dec 2018 14:33    Post subject:
Yup, do it. There will be some bottlenecking in some titles, but you'll have enough gains from the upgrade.


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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Dec 2018 15:17    Post subject:
Absolutely, it would be a very noticeable upgrade from the previous generation, let alone from a 670. Your mind will be blown, that's pretty much guaranteed Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Dec 2018 16:44    Post subject:
Definitely get a 1070. You'll be surprised. I had an i5-3570K (shrunk i5-2500k) running at 4.5GHz and that is still pushing quite a bit when it comes to performance. There will be few games that will cause you any problems (AC: Origins and similar which tend to love many threads and lots of IPC).

I recently replaced my old i5-3570k-system with a z370-board, 16GB RAM and a temporary i5 8400 (with a slight bclk-overclock to get 100mhz more out of each core) + a 1060 6GB. I did some CPU benchmarks and even though the new CPU is locked and maxes out @ 3.9GHz on all cores even the single core test in cinebench is nearly twice as fast as the 3570k not to mention multi-threaded (2 more cores). In other words, an i5 8400 @ 4.0Ghz (4 core turbo) is much much faster than my old i5 3570k @ 4.5GHz. Still, 3570K + 1070 will blow your mind.


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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Dec 2018 17:17    Post subject:
pho08 wrote:
hey guys i got a quick question

so im running a i5-3570k @4,5ghz (16gb RAM) and an ancient GTX670 (2gb).
Monitoring my system ressources in current games i get the impression that while the CPU is still very much up for the task the gpu is just not suitable anymore for recent games.

so i was wondering if it made sense to just switch the 670 for a 1070 or if that would lead to some serious bottlenecking?

Today I installed the GTX1080 I've bought, it's a massive difference compared to my GTX970. I have a 3570K at 4.2Ghz and 8GB shitty RAM. I did some benches (3dmark, Heaven, newest Tomb Raider), at 1080 the scores almost doubled and at 4K almost tripled. In the Tomb Raider benchmark at 4K with ultra settings (no AA) I went from 14fps (GTX970) to 40fps (GTX1080) Everything Went Better Than Expected
A jump from 670 to 1070 will be massive. Unless you only play unoptimized CPU hogs like Assassins Creed, you'll be fine.

Worst thing is, I have nothing to use all this raw power for since I only play Pathfinder and RDR2. I don't see any great looking games coming soon either Sad I'll finally be able to brute force my way through console ports though, that's a good thing I guess.
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Dec 2018 10:54    Post subject:
Finally pulled the trigger on the Asus Strix 2080 ti OC

Sold my 1080ti 800$ CAN

Now that RTX is getting some love Very Happy

If ever one of you guys are looking for 1 in Canada...ShopRBC still as some in stock..Don't know how many or for how long but right now they do.

https://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=43650579


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Dec 2018 14:03    Post subject:
pho08 wrote:
hey guys i got a quick question

so im running a i5-3570k @4,5ghz (16gb RAM) and an ancient GTX670 (2gb).
Monitoring my system ressources in current games i get the impression that while the CPU is still very much up for the task the gpu is just not suitable anymore for recent games.

so i was wondering if it made sense to just switch the 670 for a 1070 or if that would lead to some serious bottlenecking?


As I'm still rocking similar CPU I would say 1080p -> 1060, 1440p -> 1070, with the maximum considered GPU 1080/2070 anything more powerful is overkill even for 1440p.

Next potential upgrade would then be a used i7-3770k as HT actually make a difference in newer games.
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Dec 2018 14:34    Post subject:
Lukxxx wrote:
pho08 wrote:
hey guys i got a quick question

so im running a i5-3570k @4,5ghz (16gb RAM) and an ancient GTX670 (2gb).
Monitoring my system ressources in current games i get the impression that while the CPU is still very much up for the task the gpu is just not suitable anymore for recent games.

so i was wondering if it made sense to just switch the 670 for a 1070 or if that would lead to some serious bottlenecking?


As I'm still rocking similar CPU I would say 1080p -> 1060, 1440p -> 1070, with the maximum considered GPU 1080/2070 anything more powerful is overkill even for 1440p.

Next potential upgrade would then be a used i7-3770k as HT actually make a difference in newer games.


Not so overkill if you own a 165 hrz monitor ..Some games reach that high fps and let me tell you it's far from overkill and really really smooth/gorgeous/perfect ..call it what you want..but that's my opinion off course..

My next purchase would be somewhere next year for the Asus PG35 model ..A 3440x1440P I believe ultra wide with gsync and hdr at 200 hrz...Now I'll be set for a while Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Dec 2018 17:38    Post subject:
A 3570k can't really push enough data/geometry for 144+ hz monitors (which is what we're discussing here) unless we're talking about simpler games.


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pho08




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Dec 2018 18:26    Post subject:
thx for all the advice mates

i got the Zotac 8gb 1070 mini that paxsali posted on the previous page. There is some coupon thing going on atm if you buy through ebay via the app.

total: 285€

i guess for that price it's pretty much a nobrainer


now let's hope it'll be future proof for a while with all the raytracing stuff coming to the next-gen boards...
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Dec 2018 18:38    Post subject:
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pho08




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Dec 2018 18:41    Post subject:
funny thing pax. it WAS the mediamarkt offer, so cheers to you!

turns out they have an ebay shop and today between 6pm-9pm ebay offers a 10% discount on pretty much everything (up to 30€ max discount)

so 315€-30€=285€ Cool
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Dec 2018 19:18    Post subject:
Nice!

Finally some reasonable deals on those cards. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Dec 2018 21:42    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Dec 2018 21:46    Post subject:
Wow, on that site the 2080 really dropped in price, the 2070 not so much.


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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Dec 2018 01:07    Post subject:
I don't know if this has been posted earlier in this thread but I love this particuilar RTX-meme:



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Laughing


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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Dec 2018 00:05    Post subject:
i got a i7-6700k with a shitty 970, would you guys recommend buying a 1070ti for around 400shickles or wait for 2070 to go down in price (if that ever happens) Confused


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Now, I don't know what hardware costs in Poland, I guess it's cheaper because everything is stolen from Germany and resold...
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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Dec 2018 00:42    Post subject:
Are you in a hurry? Current expectations/rumors is that the 2060 will be released in early 2019.


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Release date
The story around the leaked image and rumoured specs is that the RTX 2060 will launch early in 2019. We were expecting a Q2 showdown with AMD’s Navi GPUs, so if you count the first half of the year as ‘early’ that just about still works.

Specs
The RTX 2060 is expected to be built around a slightly cut-down version of the TU106 GPU used inside the RTX 2070. It is suggested that it will sport 30 SMs and therefore 1,920 CUDA cores.

Pricing
There’s still no real hint at the RTX 2060 pricing, but given that it is set to still use a mammoth TU106 GPU, it’s surely going to square up just underneath the current base RTX 2070 price at $399.


It's not known if the 2060 will come with Raytracing and Tensor cores.

Also take into consideration that the 20x0-series is up to 50% faster per Stream processor compared to the 10x0-series. Also keep in mind that the 20x0-series use GDDR6 RAM.



If the leaked info is right it means the 2060 will be up to 50% faster than the 1070. However, the 1070Ti is currently available from Newegg.com at $380. Latest news about 1070/Ti is that new versions will arrive with GDDR5X (faster VRAM just like with the 1060 GDDR5X) that may make them more attractive.

And of course, AMD Navi will show up Q1/Q2 next year with some serious rumors coming with it.

I guess you have to decide if you want to wait and see, find deals or just go for it and get the card you feel you can afford. There are a lot of choices and even more are around the corner. I doubt the 2070 will have any significant drop in price though.

Enjoy (or fret over) the sudden wealth of options. Wink


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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Dec 2018 00:45    Post subject:
BettyShikle wrote:
i got a i7-6700k with a shitty 970, would you guys recommend buying a 1070ti for around 400shickles or wait for 2070 to go down in price (if that ever happens) Confused

That's too much. Would be a nice upgrade, but only if you can find it for 250.
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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Dec 2018 01:11    Post subject:
Agreed, ultimately it all depends on what are your needs, but if you're okay with accepting some compromises in games (1080p, High details instead of Very High/Ultra, no taxing AA methods etc.) I too believe that waiting is the best option. Especially for that price Razz

I'm on a similar boat too (only with a considerably older CPU), at this point I'll just see what the next wave of new tech (more mature, more stable, improved™) will offer and then eventually make the complete jump. I'm in no rush though, since the amount of decent triple-A games on PC at the moment is risible.
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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Dec 2018 01:16    Post subject:
ixi is right as usual. Unless I had plenty of disposable cash I'd actually wait when it comes to Turing. The games industry must get used to the new hardware so they can actually implement RTX/DLSS as well as find out about the quirks and perks of Turing, NVIDIA must get used to the new architecture and get comfy developing fully stable drivers as well as driver optimizations so you actually get the most out of the card.


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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Dec 2018 03:26    Post subject:
games industry hasnt even catched up to dx12 yet lol Razz

playstation 5 is all that matters, they dont give a rats ass about pc hardware anymore
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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Dec 2018 06:42    Post subject:
I just bought a used 1080ti and the 2080 stuff comes out... Fml... Any point even in me upgrading to a 2080ti? My guess is probably not...
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PostPosted: Sat, 15th Dec 2018 09:13    Post subject:
BettyShikle wrote:
i got a i7-6700k with a shitty 970, would you guys recommend buying a 1070ti for around 400shickles or wait for 2070 to go down in price (if that ever happens) Confused


In any case, dont wait for the 2060. It will probably only have 6Gb VRAM and a smaller Memory Interface. I dont think it will be 50% faster than 1070, more like 10-15% faster. (Just like the 2070 is to the 1080). And with that said it will probably have a few RT cores(30) so it will run a few of those effects but it will be mostly 1080p card, due to its VRAM and Memory interface limitations.

But like Mister_s says 400 for a 1070 is too much aswell. It should be below 280 for it to be good value.

And Navi. I fear its beeing hyped too much. I dont think it will reach 1080Ti/2080 levels of performance. From the beginning it was always suggested it would be a middle-class chip. Now suddenly people believe it will compete in High-End? It will most certainly be more power efficient, since it was developed for the Playstation. It would be nice though if it could compete.


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