The only pc monitor with almost 400 dimming zones but still ips and not oled... For the price of 55' oled. But its 144hz
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Hi guys I was wondering if you could give me some advice about buying a new monitor.
I currently have an old 23" LG screen. My GPU is a nVidia 1060 6gb.
I would use it to play games (not competitive), browse the interwebs and sometimes do some (very) light photo editing.
I have a 200-250€ price range.
Now for the monitor, I'm looking for a small one, either 24 or 26". Doesn't have to be 4K (don't think they even have those at that size). Everyone says 144Hz is a big plus so why not go with it.
I heard that IPS screens are better but they don't come in 144Hz at 24-26" sizes ?
If you are not gaming competitively I would really doubt you need the 144Hz. Why not go for WQHD 1440p? At that size you will have a really sharp image and your 1060 should handle most games in 1440p@60Hz just fine.
200-250€? If I were you I'd save up a little more a couple of months. The monitor is the one thing you're constantly looking at and thus the most important thing (often forgotten or misunderstood).
A 27" 144Hz monitor should do you good. They're mainly 1440p though and in the latest performance-heavy games you'll have to fiddle with graphic settings to medium or so to get anything from a 144Hz screen afaik but we're talking Assassin's Creed Origins and Odyssey that are very graphics intensive. The 1060 6GB is mainly a great 1080p card so keep that in mind. There are 24" 120/144Hz TN-panels that are actually good (not ASUS or BenQ though from what I've read).
As duckie wrote; 144Hz is mainly useful if you're playing competitively online against other people (twitch reaction games), otherwise it's an unnecessary luxury. Focus on image quality, resolution and size (in that order) based on your budget.
Thanks for the input.
So maybe I should find a 1440p monitor without a 144Hz refresh rate since my card won't be able to play games at that FPS.
Since you recommend image quality, should I get an IPS or a VA screen ? I think they make them at 75Hz.
I had a VA panel and now a high end IPS, the IPS panel is far better in everything but contrast IMO. You do take a chance with backlight bleed with IPS though, that's the major problem.
What is wrong is that everyone is for some reason cutting the cost. I think, the more expensive product is, the buyer is looking at it with more colored glasses because he just spend 1000usd and manufacturers can get away with more.
So it only is reasonable for companies to cut on quality. Maybe also the panel manufacturers like AU optronics need to conform to much higher demand and focus their production lines on speed?
It also could be that we see a MASSIVE reduction in desktop computers qty and it's not a market cared for by manufacturers much anymore... Most people buy gaming notebooks for pc gaming now. However stupid it is, they don't have space for full pc or it's too complicated in their stupid heads. Notebooks ips panels are of MUCH higher quality than desktop monitors.
That said - I've had a lot of monitors in past 2 years... too much. And 12yo 16:10 hp TN monitor have better picture quality and black levels than almost anything we see today
-Tn panels only got worse... and TN was usually the tech with fast pixel response, good uniformity, ok black levels, no ips glow and terrible viewing angles. Now they have terrible clouding and even some sort of glow around the edges. I cannot put my hand on it but it looks terrible.
-IPS panels can look amazing nowadays but be prepared for lottery... and above anything else, avoid Dell recent years models. Dell is now the shitties monitors manufacturer there is. They were amazing with models up to about ultrasharp 15h line. Now ultrasharp is a joke which puts stupid, bad quality and fitting thin bezels above quality. These bezels squeeze the monitor uniformly which causes way more glow than there should be.
-Va evolved in pixel response area but gamma shift got a bit worse and contrast have this weird silver look to it in dark scenes on last va monitor I had (benq ew277hdr). I also never had va monitor without bad pixels. These always have some or I am extremely unlucky with 3 or 4 va monitors I've had. That said - Tn does not have any advantages over others nowadays sadly, IPS=VA with them trading cons and pros. I personally tried coming back to TN or VA but stayed with IPS despite it's annoying glow.
There are few general trends which ruin many monitors nowadays:
-Matte screens that look too grainy. There is a reason smartphones with high dpi are glossy. Glossy screens look much clearer, blacks seem darker and there is no grain. We have no options aside from few 1080p models and few 5k screens for those who don't have problem with reflections.
-Black, glossy, flush with the screen fake bezels. These aim to make screen flat with no "bezels" but all it ends up doing is creating a potential area for pinching the screen and even worse, it makes the dark screen next to it look more greyish as fuck compared to black glossy bezel. There are some screens which still offer matte bezels and these make the perceived black depth appear... darker
-Worse one - There are no more whole backlit panels. All panels for few years now are only bottom edge lit with one LED stripe. This is the reason for all the clouding and other uniformity problems. Fuck this... I don't care how thick the monitor is.. what does it help me if it's 1cm slim if I still have a lot of distance to the wall? I would take thicker monitors with real bezels over this crap ruining picture quality now any day.
-Many manufacturers now include only the simplest stand and do not give access to vesa mount.
-I understand the HDR thing and 10/12bit revolution but it creates a lot of marketing bullshit and still will take few years and oled/microled to make it right on pc side.
+On the plus side, we have flicker free tech on all monitors, huge advancements in refresh rate, strobing technology, sync technology, bigger sizes and selection of high resolutions like 4k, ultrawides and so on. So it's not all bad considering
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SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
the funniest of all of this is that 2 2080ti card in sli are struggling to get 90 fps in many games in 4K and u want at least 120hrz for real fast action gaming so 120+ fps...
so basicly its all bottlenecked for another 4-5 years to be anywhere near medium budgets
albeit his test subjects are lame and the setup isnt very fair, it still brings the point of smoothness is the biggest immersion factor over pixels.
...and so I enter the lottery today. Wish me luck, lol!!
ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q on the way, and I expect (at least 3 returns) before I'll settle, but you never know? Not so bad, as I ordered from Amazon, and with my Prime account, they are damned good at returns, they pick up also
Got my old trusty back-up monitor in place, ready to hook up for the downtime
Well I am thinking about changing the monitor again(in January probably).
After all the 240 and 144hz tn gsync and whatever monitors I've had in last 2 years, for the last 6 months I've been using just a 1080p ips at 27" (hp 27ea) and it's pretty sweet.
For me, as a single player gamer only, image quality matters the most. That's why(and because these were TN) I've sold all 240, 144, whatever monitors. There was no benefit of high refresh rate on ps4 and it just made switching from 144/240hz to 30fps Bloodborne or God of war that much worse. Although I never had too much problem with it. 30fps Bloodborne is still great... it just requires a bit too much time adjusting coming from 240hz
That said, 240hz was fucking awesome on pc. Especially just desktop use. Even 144hz was crappy after that but I game a lot on ps4 and Tn quality + hz differences made it jarring each time.
Even though I have only gtx 1060 it does not matter much. I can play 4k dsr in newer games at locked rtss 30 with some settings sacrifices. And I could always play just on 1080p/60. I play old games only anyway and these run 4k 60 no problem. Besides - I will upgrade gpu and console in the future. I was still surprised how high framerates 1060 got with 240hz gsync monitor. I was above 100 in most games. In Doom even close to 200.
So, initially I wanted to just go 4k, 60hz, ips 27" flat monitor. Straightforward enough and compatible with current standards. Can play in 1080p if needed(not ideal), great pixel density.
But now I am also looking at other stuff.
Mainly ultrawides. 3440x1440 is less demanding but also non complaint with either 1080p or 4k well which means bad scaling in both cases. Also, black borders on a lot of content and ps4. There are ips and va 60 and 100hz variants though and it's something to look at.
But anything lower than 16:9 4k feels temporary. It's like getting 720p TV in 2006 with 1080p just around the corner.
edit: I am still leaning towards 27" 4k ips, because I am anti aliasing whore and play on 4k dsr anyway, so why not get the real thing... it's not locking me out of lower resolutions. it "just" makes em blurrier.
edit2: I did tried benq ew277hdr just out of pure curiosity to see where VA monitors are nowadays and the amount of bad pixels and lack of black depth expected from VA monitor was disappointing. other monitors I've tried in past 2 years:
-2x AOC ag251fg - 240hz tn, gsync 1080p. Great motion, terrible bleeding, clouding, viewing angles(expected)
-3x Dell u2417h - never again Dell. Their quality sucks now
-1x LG 24gm79g - 144hz felt werdly week, it had scanlines, bad clouding and contrast. crap
-1x Benq Ew277hdr - bad pixels, weak black for tn, oversaturation
-2x Hp 27ea - I have 2nd unit now. It's a good ips but pxiel density could be better
3080 | ps5 pro
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
The gamma was a disaster at ~1.1. Got a second unit, exact same gamma. The store didn't have any other units so I returned both and will look into buying something different in 2019.
Shame about the gamma, both units had no blb at all and they would be winners if the contrast wasn't that weak.
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
You mean PB27UQ? I was looking at it too but also at Benq PD2700U and LG 27uk650(best price).
1.1 is very crazy low... maybe You had limited rgb turned on somewhere or something? The prad.de review praises image quality, measurements and even 1080p scaling on pb27uq.
Also, I am not a big fan of the curve but it seems they do not make 32" curved 4k ips/va monitors. At 27" flat is better but going 32" or ultrawide, curve would help with viewing angles "presumably and maybe"
3080 | ps5 pro
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
It's called PB27U here in the box, but it's the same (in the back of the monitor it said both models).
No, that was the gamma for real. In both HDMI (which goes up to 8bit) and Display port (which goes up to 10bit) and with "full rgb" set of course in the nv cp.
Scaling was indeed very good, it's the reason I took the gamble with 4K in the first place.
But 1.1 gamma
TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"
Fucking hell what is Asus doing. Ant not a mention of just "U" model on their site
Seriously - both Asus and Dell have the worst qc recently. I was hoping they would spare their "pro" line of products compared to typical rgb gay stuff
3080 | ps5 pro
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
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