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Nalo
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garus
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| Posted: Thu, 17th May 2018 15:45 Post subject: |
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Stige
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Fri, 18th May 2018 17:09 Post subject: |
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At 265? Isn't that just padding then?
Encoding at a higher bitrate than source isn't gonna make the quality better.
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| Posted: Fri, 18th May 2018 17:38 Post subject: |
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Wouldn't logic suggest that if a BluRay encoded with x264 is acceptable at 10-15 GB, then a 4K BluRay encoded with x265 would be acceptable at 20-30 GB?
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russ80
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd May 2018 11:13 Post subject: |
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So where’s my matrix trilogy uhd rips? Need dat 4k hdr green goodness.
Oh wow just read only the first movie is out, other two on oct 18th wtf lame.
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Stige
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd May 2018 18:22 Post subject: |
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| WaldoJ wrote: | At 265? Isn't that just padding then?
Encoding at a higher bitrate than source isn't gonna make the quality better. |
I got 32 HDR movies on my HDD right now and average size is 46.8GB.
There must be a reason they are so big, all of them. There is no way a release that is 10% of the size or less can be of equal quality.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2018 02:36 Post subject: |
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| russ80 wrote: | So where’s my matrix trilogy uhd rips? Need dat 4k hdr green goodness.
Oh wow just read only the first movie is out, other two on oct 18th wtf lame. |
Yeah, they definitely missed the mark on the release of this trilogy. No real reason why they couldn't just release them all at the same time.
The Jurassic Park series (all at once) is how to do it.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2018 11:22 Post subject: |
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| IamAWESOME wrote: | | Out of 15 movies so far, only the John Wich doesn't work for some reason. |
I would maybe try playing the file in MPC-BE with madvr and see if it works. Sometimes just changing the media player can fix things. I believe one of my planet earth episodes is picky that way.
If that doesn't work, I would download the disc image release and make your own remux mkv with mkvtoolnix.
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Jun 2018 15:21 Post subject: |
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Ermm the arguments above don't take into account that x264 != x265. They're a different encoding technology, and therefore you cannot assume that x265 files should be bigger than x264.
I have many x265 4K rips and they look amazing - I genuinely cannot tell the difference between them and the UHD remux rips which are usually 40-60gb in size. It's similar to a Blu ray rip vs fantastic x264 encode - they look extremely similar.
Therefore, given I have a TV capable of decoding x265 with no problem, choosing a 6-20gb x265 movie is without a doubt a no brainer. mvp and stige, please outline the grounds for your argument that < 45gb for 4k is a waste of time.
Now, onto another topic. Ready Player One was accidentally released onto iTunes in 4k for a short period, a few months early. I cannot see any rips online yet, but it's possible one will show up soon.
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2018 18:17 Post subject: |
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Its a placebo effect methinks.
265 should at most half 264 in size in current remux format war.
And quality would still be better.
When we had to do showcase for samsung tvs... it was 10mbps or even 15 at most sometimes. We'd toy around with 60 to 90 mbps for the lulz but you couldn't see the difference unless you were an inch away from the tv.
I dont think they found the sweet spot.
Ive only worked with short 5-10 minute hdr 4k files.
And wed range from 300mb to 1.5gb and the difference in showcase settings wasn't noticable.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 8th Jul 2018 12:01 Post subject: |
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Guys come on, this is the tired old "yify 1080p is exactly the same as remux 1080p" argument.
It depends on your eyesight and attention to detail (and panel quality, of course). I recently sat to watch Blade Runner 2049 and Dunkirk and compared the remuxes (63GB, 46GB) and some p2p encodes (17GB, 16GB). The difference was certainly there in gradients, grain, edges and general detail. It was especially apparent on Dunkirk which is very sharp and has a lot of fast moving scenes with a lot of small details. But it was also very apparent in 2049, especially in dark scenes, where neon glow creates smooth gradients and there is tiny detail surfaces.
And mind you, I did this comparison while at a friend's house  once my TV arrives, these issues will become more apparent.
Now, of course, these are when compared side by side. Also, if the master was taken to encode a smaller release that would also look much better (like iTunes, for example). But in the case where you only have a UHD Bluray, I don't see the point in downloading anything but the remux, similarly to how I don't see a point in downloading anything but a remux of a 1080p BR.
Now regarding size and HEVC efficiency—the math checks out on average. A 3840x2160 image has four times as many pixels as a 1920x1080 one. Don't be a durr by saying it's twice the size, it's not. It's four times. Now, look at 4K remux vs 1080p remux; size is anywhere between 1.5-2x the size, which means it's already twice as efficient as MP4AVC.
One case where you may not see a big difference, because there isn't much of a quality jump from 1080p to 4K is with content that has been mastered to 2K or lower, and the upscaled to 4K. If you used such signal to compare, you might easily be mistaken that it's true for all 4K BR. See here: http://realorfake4k.com/
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| Posted: Sat, 4th Aug 2018 10:58 Post subject: |
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Predator.1987.2160p.UHD.BluRay.REMUX.HDR.HEVC.DTS-HD.MA.5.1-EPSiLON
| Quote: | No, it isn't the UHE with fake grain added. No, it isn't the 2008 master with an HDR grade slapped on. Yes, the photos from AV Forum posted earlier look like somebody cranked their sharpness and saturation way the hell up. So what is it?
The best PREDATOR has ever looked, and maybe as good as it can look. Honestly, given the source limitations of this movie I'm more impressed with this than DIE HARD. This movie has always looked pretty rough, even 35mm in theaters. And as we know, PREDATOR's history on home video has been spotty at best.
The worst looking shot in this 4K disc is the opening Fox logo -- it's soft, and has what I'm calling "swirly grain" -- revealing that there's definitely digital grain management going on. DON'T PANIC. The reality is PREDATOR is grainy as hell, always has been, and this time Fox has given grain the respect it deserves. Far more often than not, the grain swirls about freely and unmolested. In fact, several shots have grain structure so tight it approaches Sony quality.
Color's are rich and lush -- man, I love that first red-light scene of the team inside the choppah. Note the improved luminescence of the beast's glowing blood, courtesy of HDR. Beautiful red/orange 'splosions. Detail is stronger than I've ever seen in this film -- in theaters or on home video... leaves, gravel, tree bark, all revealing stronger textures than ever before.
Fox has done a great job of turning a very challenging film-based master into something lovely for UHD. They can't make it something it isn't -- they learned that with the UHE -- but I have to applaud them for embracing all the filmic grittiness that is PREDATOR
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http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=306058&page=96
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 4th Aug 2018 13:58 Post subject: |
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I read on AVS that Predator 2 looks even better.
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| Posted: Sat, 4th Aug 2018 14:24 Post subject: |
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^ That's good news as well.
You have a link to that? Can't find it.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 4th Aug 2018 14:56 Post subject: |
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Read last night on the AV forums. I look later.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Aug 2018 16:35 Post subject: |
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Both The Avengers and Avengers Age of Ultron 4K blurays are out, but not Infinity war. 
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Aug 2018 17:35 Post subject: |
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Avengers.Infinity.War.2018.UHD.BluRay.2160p.HEVC.Atmos.TrueHD7.1-CHDBits
Avengers.Infinity.War.2018.UHD.BluRay.2160p.TrueHD.Atmos.7.1.HEVC.REMUX-FraMeSToR
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Aug 2018 22:05 Post subject: |
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russ80
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Aug 2018 22:45 Post subject: |
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Disappointed in the movie, visually great though.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Sep 2018 19:57 Post subject: |
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| KillerCrocker wrote: | | Ok to play on a 1080p monitor on pc or do these require HDR tv? |
I cannot speak to those particular releases since I don't have them, but I do have the 4k remuxes so I believe it shouldn't matter. If the video is HDR capable, you can play it on a 1080p monitor that is not capable of displaying the HDR colors so long as you use a media player that will properly convert the tone mapping from HDR to SDR.
I have MPC-BE with madVR and VLC 3.0 that can successfully do that. I play 4k videos all the time on my non-HDR computer monitor and the colors look fine.
Provided you use a capable media player for the video, the hardware you use to watch it on should not matter. If you don't have a media player that can do the tone mapping, it will still play but the colors will look washed out.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Sep 2018 23:36 Post subject: |
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madvr... holy shit why did nobody told me?! Those 4k movies looked kinda bland but with madvr, they look as they should again.
I was using madvr years ago but it made no difference. Now it seems it does something to new type of releases
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Sep 2018 00:05 Post subject: |
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omg these last few posts are pure gold - I cannot wait to test this out as my media player did the washed out thing ...
fuck ...
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I got from TL. For some reason on IPT it was listed under movie HD section and not under 4K.
