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deelix
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 Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 16:41 Post subject: |
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| CRA$HH110011001 wrote: | | mybe if we all ( about 20k ) people went to there forums and made fake problems... or mass emailed EA games or ubi soft or some other game company and told them how SF fucked our PC and that we are never going to buy games from there company for this reason ^^ |
We are over 40k...
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 16:43 Post subject: |
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| CRA$HH110011001 wrote: | | mybe if we all ( about 20k ) people went to there forums and made fake problems... or mass emailed EA games or ubi soft or some other game company and told them how SF fucked our PC and that we are never going to buy games from there company for this reason ^^ |
great idea. I don't want to see starforce ever again.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 16:44 Post subject: |
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And not all of us disagree with starforce because we are not retarded like some. The publishers dont give a shit if there is problems, they are stopping hundreds of thousands of idiot p2p kids like you downloading it as soon as its out.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 18:21 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | if 20k+ won't buy their soft they WILL loose big amount of money wich is bad for business or am i wrong? |
99% of the 20k+ nforcers do not buy games to begain with, so no, they aren't losing any money. |
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 18:23 Post subject: |
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| vodkaLord wrote: | | Quote: | | if 20k+ won't buy their soft they WILL loose big amount of money wich is bad for business or am i wrong? |
99% of the 20k+ nforcers do not buy games to begain with, so no, they aren't losing any money. |
supposition without any basis. a lot of people here buy games they like
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 18:30 Post subject: |
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if u not buying doesn't mean everyone else too |
by the same token, just because you do, doesn't mean anyone else does.  |
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 18:32 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | supposition without any basis. a lot of people here buy games they like |
And where's your basis that "a lot of people here buy games that they like"? |
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 18:37 Post subject: |
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| vodkaLord wrote: | | Quote: | | supposition without any basis. a lot of people here buy games they like |
And where's your basis that "a lot of people here buy games that they like"? |
i started a topic months ago inviting people to post their collection of legit games, and nearly everyone used to post in pcgames section posted the collection of old and recent games.
so, where are YOUR basis? don't tell me it's "i don't buy games, everyone here has to be like me" cuz you would really disappoint me
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yoyoxp
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Location: Dublin
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 18:55 Post subject: |
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People saying Starforce don' fuck up your pc have a point, It may not fuck up your own pc, but that doesnt mean it wont fuck up other pcs, I bought a game called "Kill.Switch" distributed by Namco, this was one of my last games to buy , I didn't know about any fucking starforce or whatever it did, I thought it was anouther "safedisc" so I bought it. It installed fine on my Samsung CD-RW but when I went to play (Did all the reboot and shit) the game took 3 mins to load in, and then I was very nicely told I was using a pirate disc sometimes  , This was of course the Retail bought disc.
Ever since this starshit was on my hard drive (At this stage I hadn't a bulls notion about what starforce was or what it did) my Samsung would show a burn failed on 99% of the disc recorded, they seemed to work fine until I got my new drive (Coz starforce destroyed my samsung drive ) and tryed to read these discs (Mostly audio cds, picture backups etc..) showed a CRC error at the end of each disc and in extreme cases the discs wouldn't read data in the middle.
Now, why blame starforce? Well to put it simply, I hadn't any probs prior to installing starforce, also my drive broke when trying to read my legitimate Kill.Switch disc, and when I rebooted the drive would make real loud noises, not read discs properly (Even retail pressed CD's) and was just fucking dead. So I then discovered that Starforce was my problem after reading numerous articles about other people having starforce killing there drives. I uninstalled the drivers and drive was still dead so I purchased a LiteON drive to replace it and HAVN'T installed anymore starshit,
I have only started downloading games, music etc coz I'm sick of all this fucking DRM/Copy protection shite, why the fuck should I be told I have a "illegal disc" when I'm using the disc I bought, and just so I wont be called a "entry level hacker" or whatever starforce calls people having probs I have scanned in the retail cds/book cover etc... Not that it should be neccesary
Fuck Starforce,
Nick
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 18:58 Post subject: |
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LOL.
You could've made 10k from Starforce if this were true.
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yoyoxp
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Location: Dublin
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 19:05 Post subject: |
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| CableMunkeh wrote: | LOL.
You could've made 10k from Starforce if this were true. |
Its very true, and nah m8, couldnt be arsed going all the way to Moscow, Hell I'm only 17 and used to buy ALL games but all this DRM shit has made me join a torrent site and download music/gamez, I still buy movies.., why should I be fucked around like this, hell I don't have money to burn like some people so I expect some descent proptection which I preferably don't need know about (Like safedisc and others) if I buy the game, now I'm probably going to get this shit told to me, u shoulda upgraded SF drivers, etc... but at the time I hadn't a clue about this like most pc gamers who have probs, all I'm saying here is, it can fuck up your pc and it did kill my drive and tbh, fuck starforce and their money, all I want to see is game companies putting the consumer first, I had a experience, It killed my drive and this would have been one of the resons I download games, of course I buy the ones I play regularly as long as there starforce free  I do believe the majority of users concerns and probs over on the starforce forums are legit and not "entry level hackers"
Cheers
Nick
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 19:57 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | i started a topic months ago inviting people to post their collection of legit games, and nearly everyone used to post in pcgames section posted the collection of old and recent games. |
LOL, ya, 1% of people actully bought some old games. And as I said, most games that people bought all require a valid cd key to multiplay.
It a vicious cycle anyway. ppl pirate -> companies add more DRM -> ppl break DRM and pirate more -> companies add more DRM -> ppl break DRM again and pirate even more -> companies add more extreme DRM -> .... This will continue until both sides are destroyed. |
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 00:06 Post subject: |
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that thread has like a grand total of 15 photos. Less than 0.1% of the thousands of people active in PC game section of the board.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 00:40 Post subject: |
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| yoyoxp wrote: | | Hell I'm only 17 and used to buy ALL games but all this DRM shit has made me join a torrent site and download music/gamez |
Yeah its all the DRM's fault. P2P is all caused by protections. Stupid excuses to justify piracy will not work. You suddenly found torrents like everyone else and decided they wouldnt buy anything anymore.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 01:46 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Yeah its all the DRM's fault. P2P is all caused by protections. Stupid excuses to justify piracy will not work. You suddenly found torrents like everyone else and decided they wouldnt buy anything anymore. |
People will use p2p regardless of DRM. More piracy will simply cause companies to create more online version of software that require a continous connection to a central server.
Coporate exec are greedy, P2p users are also greedy. P2p users and Coporate execs are two sides of the same coin. |
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 11:33 Post subject: |
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http://www.gamershell.com/news/27739.html
Age Of Empires III sold over 1 million copies. Why is that? It's not using StarForce, in fact it was released by Reloaded 1 week before retail, if I remember corectly. So, every leecher could get his hands on it even before it was in stores. And this was not a clone release, that some people could have problems running. Despite that, the game sold to the point that publisher and developer are very happy. We have a game released to the scene and after that to p2p even before its retail release, but the game sells. More, the publisher is Microsoft, a company most of the people feel they have the right to leech in response to the daily problems of the Windoze PCs. Maybe not "the right to leech", but there is no love lost for Microsoft among PC users. Anyone care to explain this?
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TheDuck
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 16:11 Post subject: |
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Open card game, strong title do not need hard-to-crack protection...
1. low budget
2. crappy, unfinished, badly coded
3. greedy publisher filled with lies from protection managers
4. hope for unknown-till-buy game quality to user, meaning he could not try it out before seeing the box in the shop
These are the main reasons publishers choose to use protection like starforce.
Here's a scenario from JoWooD company (they are pretty dead now afaik):
Game deadline is close, they need to rush the release once again so they
got used to it already, their protection manager tells them to protect the game against everything, 1:1 copy, emulation in virtual drives, their only hope after the game hits the stores is: it wont be cracked, so users cannot download the game and say it sucks, they will go and buy it first, then they are free to say anything since we know it sucks. Viola!
(They had their own fanbase, but thanks to all this badly invested money (into protection not the game, lol) they couldnt attract new people.)
SCCT is a nice game, lets face it, but I KNOW it could've been sold better with safedisc, that's the true which is not so obvious, but this is how the internet works.
-TD
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 17:16 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Age Of Empires III sold over 1 million copies. Why is that? It's not using StarForce, in fact it was released by Reloaded 1 week before retail, if I remember corectly. So, every leecher could get his hands on it even before it was in stores. And this was not a clone release, that some people could have problems running. Despite that, the game sold to the point that publisher and developer are very happy. We have a game released to the scene and after that to p2p even before its retail release, but the game sells. More, the publisher is Microsoft, a company most of the people feel they have the right to leech in response to the daily problems of the Windoze PCs. Maybe not "the right to leech", but there is no love lost for Microsoft among PC users. Anyone care to explain this? |
You need a valid CD key to multiplay. |
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 17:19 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | SCCT is a nice game, lets face it, but I KNOW it could've been sold better with safedisc, that's the true which is not so obvious, but this is how the internet works. |
Actully it would've sold worse with a east to crack protection. |
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 17:28 Post subject: |
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| vodkaLord wrote: | | Quote: | | Age Of Empires III sold over 1 million copies. Why is that? It's not using StarForce, in fact it was released by Reloaded 1 week before retail, if I remember corectly. So, every leecher could get his hands on it even before it was in stores. And this was not a clone release, that some people could have problems running. Despite that, the game sold to the point that publisher and developer are very happy. We have a game released to the scene and after that to p2p even before its retail release, but the game sells. More, the publisher is Microsoft, a company most of the people feel they have the right to leech in response to the daily problems of the Windoze PCs. Maybe not "the right to leech", but there is no love lost for Microsoft among PC users. Anyone care to explain this? |
You need a valid CD key to multiplay. |
Is that your response to everything? So, over 1 million people bought Age of Empires III to play online. Oh, that means they are almost as big as...World of Warcraft????
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 17:30 Post subject: |
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| vodkaLord wrote: | | Quote: | | SCCT is a nice game, lets face it, but I KNOW it could've been sold better with safedisc, that's the true which is not so obvious, but this is how the internet works. |
You need a valid CD key to multiplay. |
u mean chaos theory and brothers in arms 2 can be multiplayed without cdkey?
why u think ubisoft have just reported really bad pc games sales? i may give a hint S _ _ _ _ _ _ _ E
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 17:33 Post subject: |
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| vodkaLord wrote: | | Quote: | | SCCT is a nice game, lets face it, but I KNOW it could've been sold better with safedisc, that's the true which is not so obvious, but this is how the internet works. |
Actully it would've sold worse with a east to crack protection. |
basis? i think the opposite: and my basis are: check brothers in arms 1 and brothers in arms 2 sale numbers... both are cracked but the starforce one sold a lot less then the first one. or check prince of persia warrior within and the two thrones...
ubisoft have this pretty clear in mind.
there's NO STARFORCE title in the u.s. chart since last april... if i were ubi i would be very doubtfull
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 18:44 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Is that your response to everything? So, over 1 million people bought Age of Empires III to play online. Oh, that means they are almost as big as...World of Warcraft???? |
So? WOW requires a monthly fee while AOE 3 doesn't, there are tons of people who doesn't like to pay monthly fee to play multiplayer games. WOW's 1.5 million subscribers is only impressive when you consider the fact that it requires a monthly fee.
| Quote: | u mean chaos theory and brothers in arms 2 can be multiplayed without cdkey?
why u think ubisoft have just reported really bad pc games sales? i may give a hint S _ _ _ _ _ _ _ E |
Of course nobody said a game that requires multiplay will definantly not contain Starforce. Ubisoft reports bad pc games sale because of the simple fact that Ubisoft has not produced many popular PC games. SCCT sold well even with SF3. In fact, Ubisoft has just reported a 35% increase in Sale of Ubi games. |
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 18:49 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | basis? i think the opposite: and my basis are: check brothers in arms 1 and brothers in arms 2 sale numbers... both are cracked but the starforce one sold a lot less then the first one. or check prince of persia warrior within and the two thrones...
ubisoft have this pretty clear in mind. |
ya? How about show how you calculated your sales numbers.
| Quote: | | there's NO STARFORCE title in the u.s. chart since last april... if i were ubi i would be very doubtfull |
That's simply cause big game publishers such as EA and Microsoft have not used Starforce. |
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 18:57 Post subject: |
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| vodkaLord wrote: | | Quote: | basis? i think the opposite: and my basis are: check brothers in arms 1 and brothers in arms 2 sale numbers... both are cracked but the starforce one sold a lot less then the first one. or check prince of persia warrior within and the two thrones...
ubisoft have this pretty clear in mind. |
ya? How about show how you calculated your sales numbers.
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-ubi financial report, which u clearly haven't even touched
-selling charts around the world
-personal experience in the pc games sector
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| Quote: | | there's NO STARFORCE title in the u.s. chart since last april... if i were ubi i would be very doubtfull |
That's simply cause big game publishers such as EA and Microsoft have not used Starforce. |
ubi and codemasters are big enough
prince of persia the two thrones
king kong
chaos theory
bia earned in blood
worms 4 mayhem
x3 reunion
codename panzers 2
(that's just for the big titles, i can list almost 25 decent games with starforce)
NONE of them ever entered the top 10 selling chart since april (chaos theory @ #7)
wake up call...
i know is hard to face, but simply starforce is not a boost legit buyers and does not prevent any form on piracy i'm sorry man! ubi is already understanding this, codemasters seems blind, dijital jesters went bankrupt... cmon this is really funny
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 19:21 Post subject: |
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| vodkaLord wrote: | | Quote: | | Is that your response to everything? So, over 1 million people bought Age of Empires III to play online. Oh, that means they are almost as big as...World of Warcraft???? |
So? WOW requires a monthly fee while AOE 3 doesn't, there are tons of people who doesn't like to pay monthly fee to play multiplayer games. WOW's 1.5 million subscribers is only impressive when you consider the fact that it requires a monthly fee. |
Ok, I get the point, everything that sells well it's because of the online multiplayer. Even AOE3 (they should advertise that multiplayer part much more). And SF protected games don't sell that well 'cause of the boycott that stupid people like us are making? Right? Well, seems to me it's a no win situation for SF, 'cause the boycott is not getting smaller. I see people on Ubi forums,as well as other gaming forums, that explicitly said they are not buying anymore Ubi titles if they are protected by SF.
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Light side of nforce or something. 80% of the games on those pictures were MMORPGs, games that require unique CD-Key to multiplay and those famous Starforce games SCCT, Trackmania Sunrise, Worms 4 etc (now these people boycott starforce. Sure. They have nice clones & Daemon Tools 4)
