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Il_Padrino




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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2017 13:06    Post subject:
KillerCrocker wrote:
10 hours? But the game was like 8

I honestly don't know how long I played it. It felt like 10 Razz


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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2017 15:09    Post subject:
tonizito wrote:
Fanbois... fanbois never change

Danyutz wrote:
Kaltern wrote:
xDBS wrote:
I just installed this game because of all the hype surrounding, not only do I find it incredibly boring and dull. I don't get what's so special about it, the voices are nothing more then annoying. The Norse Mythology is nothing new or special. And I still can't find a "Story" i see a premise, but not really a story. The combat is boring, and its linear.

Its pretty much hallway simulator with boring puzzles, aka final fantasy "13". So, why is this game so hype?


It's ok, you just toddle on back to CoD or GTA, this game clearly isn't for you.


Why so much hostility? It's his right to express his thoughts, good or bad regarding the game.


When one takes into consideration the story, the gameplay elements, the complexity of the overall experience, and of course, the graphical and audio quality of a game, and decides that the game isn't for them, for whatever reason, that's an opinion.

But to dismiss a game simply because it is linear? That is the argument of someone who doesn't care for anything other that quick, instant action - preferably multiplayer - and who believes anything that isn't open world is simply outdated.

That isn't an opinion. That is the reason quality single player games are being ruined.


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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2017 15:30    Post subject:
What a load of shite...

Like you know what genres/games he likes playing just from that Facepalm


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xDBS




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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2017 15:38    Post subject:
Kaltern wrote:
xDBS wrote:
I just installed this game because of all the hype surrounding, not only do I find it incredibly boring and dull. I don't get what's so special about it, the voices are nothing more then annoying. The Norse Mythology is nothing new or special. And I still can't find a "Story" i see a premise, but not really a story. The combat is boring, and its linear.

Its pretty much hallway simulator with boring puzzles, aka final fantasy "13". So, why is this game so hype?


It's ok, you just toddle on back to CoD or GTA, this game clearly isn't for you.


You mean Street Fighter V for my cod game 1500+ hours on two different steam accounts ranked really high as well. I gotta admit that's pretty bad to have played that game for so much time. Laughing

Last games I played in no particular order:
Shadowrun:Dragonfall: was playing iso demo and bough pack on sale this past weekend.
South Park: Fractured But Whole (disappointing)
Xenogears:( story holds up very well. ) - I can actually see how unfinished the game is now, especially combat with combat items that give crit hit chance but there are not crits in the game. Shame, its the best out of the xeno series imo.
Final Fantasy Tactics:(didn't finish, have already beaten it)
Primordia:(easy adventure game but good)

And i bought the AOE2 HD Pack on steam really wanna play online with someone but have no friends who want to play Crying or Very sad went through campaign YEARS ago. You're right it might not be for me, I'm gonna finish it. I wanted more of a reply like chiv gave (thank you chiv) I wanted to explore someones perspective of why they liked the game, I gave mine. It did remind me of FF13. I apologize if I offended you in anyway.

So while, this game might not be for me I want to finish it and get the full experience I hope that makes sense

Kaltern wrote:

When one takes into consideration the story, the gameplay elements, the complexity of the overall experience, and of course, the graphical and audio quality of a game, and decides that the game isn't for them, for whatever reason, that's an opinion.

But to dismiss a game simply because it is linear? That is the argument of someone who doesn't care for anything other that quick, instant action - preferably multiplayer - and who believes anything that isn't open world is simply outdated.

That isn't an opinion. That is the reason quality single player games are being ruined.


So i'm gonna argue with you on this bullshit. What do you mean complaining that its too linear? Is that so wrong? Listen, people can complain about FF13 being a hallway simulator, but I cannot complain this being the same with voices (in my head) that really really annoy me. I mean what are the last game you play? Do you know how many RPGs/RTS and how much of my life i've wasted on video games? For you to say I'm the reason single player games are dying is asinine when it has to do with the industry and the money surrounding it.

This has nothing to do with your reasons, but the fact it did not intrigue my brain. There is nothing but annoying things to me in it. I don't like elder scrolls games, those are open world? So your flailing of your arms trying to label me and what I like based on the fact I don't care for this game when you do. Well I'm fucking sorry dude, what do you want me to say? You walk slowly and listen to voices, there isn't really a story. I get it, its suppose to be a journey sure. Im gonna finish it, and find out for myself what the journey is about but damn. Maybe it's because I'm more of a sci-fi "why are we here" "what is consciousness" kinda guy then Norse mythology like god damn im sorry.
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2017 17:25    Post subject:
Hey man, no need to justify not liking a fucking game. Following Kaltern's logic, if you think The Witcher 3 is one of the best games ever (which it is), you are also contributing to the death of SP games Laughing

Btw, I'm enjoying the shit out of AC:Origins and FIFA18. So what if these are mainstream AAA games, as long as you like them? There's a lot of crappy indie games as well. I wouldn't go so far to call Hellblade crap, but the game had too many flaws to call it good either (said linearity and shallow gameplay, but also things like super narrow FOV, autolock on enemies, button mash combat, etc. Shit that usually make people go crazy on this forum Razz )
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2017 19:51    Post subject:
I see my comments have (as usual) caused some pointed responses Laughing

Let me clarify what I meant.

Over the last couple of years, SP gaming has (in general) become more of a sideline (for AAA games), to the multiplayer lockbox openworld extravaganzas we're getting far too used to seeing. Now, as quite rightly mentioned earlier, there ARE still some gems out there, like Witcher 3.

However, I've read here, and in general, that people complain or find 'boring' linear pathed games with are heavy on story and not giving the player complete freedom to roam around.

Quite why these games are being lamented is, to me, fairly obvious. The opinion that Not Open World = Boring has been said on many occasions on these very forums. It's no secret that the newer AAA games all seem to be heading towards an Open World/Multiplayer game - because apparently 'thats what people want'.

Figures don't lie either - look at GTA for example. They're falling over themselves, drowning in cash thanks to Online - and other publishers are wanting in on that action.

Now, my comment about people saying that linear = dull. It may well be, and that's obviously your choice. Unfortunately, so many people literally use that as their benchmark for what makes a good game - and not a small number of journalists either. People demand replayability from their games, and a linear storyline makes that much less of an attractive prospect. But, judging by recent posts on various forms of Social Media, such games are still in demand. People still want to play games that don't involve other people.

When I say people complaining about such games are causing SP gaming to become a dying breed, I say that because I hear so often that a game without MP or Open World is pointless. I may have misjudged the previous person's view on gaming, but my initial belief was based on the same things I keep reading over and over.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and preference of games - for anyone to suggest otherwise is being ridiculous. I just don't like the way the gaming industry is going, with emphasis on making games as 'profitable' as possible - without giving the gamer proper value for money - like in the 'good old days' of gaming.

I've been gaming for over 30 years. I've seen everything change. I remember the days where extra fighters were locked on Tekken disks, ready to be unlocked when you simply played the game - not pay out extra cash to get them. We all saw when MP games first started to sell things to make progress go quicker. Part of me was surprised to not see AC:O be an MMO - indeed, there are little bits of the game that make me wonder if this was once to be a reality.

Finally, my throwaway comment regarding CoD players - this was simply a joke to emphasize the typical stereotype of a player who cares nothing for story, or gameplay depth - and just wants to be better than other people by shooting them repeatedly. Which is, sadly, quite typical of the Millennial Generation of gamers - because that's how game publishers are molding them Sad


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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2017 20:13    Post subject:
I called it 10 years ago, the xbox360&PS3 age ruined it for us gamers and now i think the industry will crash, its not sustainable anymore. All the people who bought "dlcs" and wasted all their money went to smart phones. And now gamers are left with the trash.

But I disagree single player games are "dead" theres still a want and need for good single player games, few and far between. The golden PC single player ERA has come and gone and will come and again it just depends when. As of right now, theres different types of games with different types of taste. You have the "Crafting" gamers and I hate crafting games. But those are becoming popular and some of them aren't a "instant" dopamine release as you say.

I have a huge backlog of games anyways myself, from single player to multiplayer games (not one of my friends want to play co-op with me Crying or Very sad ) Game production need to slow down and be made properly imo, theres too much junk anyways anymore. And honestly, what did you expect to happen? Its like anything else in the world now, just gotta siff(is this singular for sifting hmm) through the junk


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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2017 22:33    Post subject:
Single player is pretty much all I play, I didn't even know it was dieing Very Happy
I think the amount of quality games since 2015 has increased compared to 4-5 years ago, so I'm not that pesimistic.

Besides, there are grades of linearity and open worldness. I would call a game like Hellblade almost an on rail game, with all corridors and no exploring of the individual levels. Witcher 2 (to stay with this) is also considered linear, but it doesn't compare.
The criticism on Hellblade is not a criticism on linear games in general, I think. Just that this pushes it to the max.


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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Nov 2017 07:50    Post subject:
Oh SP isn't dead thank god - I just see it also becoming highly monetised like MP games.


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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Nov 2017 10:27    Post subject:
Kaltern wrote:
But to dismiss a game simply because it is linear? That is the argument of someone who doesn't care for anything other that quick, instant action - preferably multiplayer - and who believes anything that isn't open world is simply outdated.

That isn't an opinion. That is the reason quality single player games are being ruined.

Seems like you're the big CoD fan here.
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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Nov 2017 10:57    Post subject:
Il_Padrino wrote:
Hey man, no need to justify not liking a fucking game. Following Kaltern's logic, if you think The Witcher 3 is one of the best games ever (which it is), you are also contributing to the death of SP games Laughing
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What nonsense, first off Witcher 3 is a traditional SP game so i don't really get your point, if it is about open world games in general well if anything it is one of the only games which got open world non linear gameplay right, it's the exception which proves the rule, it's tight and narrative driven, the world feels alive and every quest has meaning and isn't some mmo style shit aka kill 6 wolves.

It's absolutely ridiculous to even put it in the same category as most other open world games which are just open world for the sake of it with huge empty worlds chock full of repetitive side missions and a few wolves and spiders sprinkled here and there.
Linear or non linear doesn't even matter as long as it's done well, Publishers only declare the death of linear SP games cause non linear open world or multiplayer crap is far easier to monetize for them.


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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Nov 2017 12:54    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
Kaltern wrote:
But to dismiss a game simply because it is linear? That is the argument of someone who doesn't care for anything other that quick, instant action - preferably multiplayer - and who believes anything that isn't open world is simply outdated.

That isn't an opinion. That is the reason quality single player games are being ruined.

Seems like you're the big CoD fan here.


That was possibly the most... pointless post you've made recently Laughing (I hate CoD, just for the record)


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PostPosted: Wed, 29th Nov 2017 12:56    Post subject:
tet666 wrote:
Il_Padrino wrote:
Hey man, no need to justify not liking a fucking game. Following Kaltern's logic, if you think The Witcher 3 is one of the best games ever (which it is), you are also contributing to the death of SP games Laughing
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What nonsense first of Witcher 3 is a traditional SP game so i don't really get your point, if it is about open world games in general well if anything it is one of the only games which got open world non linear gameplay right, it's the exception which proves the rule, it's tight and narrative driven, the world feels alive and every quest has meaning and isn't some mmo style shit aka kill 6 wolves.

It's absolutely ridiculous to even put it in the same category as most other open world games which are just open world for the sake of it with huge empty worlds chock full of repetitive side missions and a few wolves and spiders sprinkled here and there.
Linear or non linear doesn't even matter as long as it's done well, Publishers only declare the death of linear SP games cause non linear open world or multiplayer crap is far easier to monetize for them.


This is exactly what I'm saying. It's not about the 'game' - it's about the possibility of making as much easy profit from it - and open world-style games are by far the easiest way of doing it.


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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jan 2018 00:34    Post subject:
For the longest time I thought this was a PS4 exclusive lol. Anyway, I played a bit and.. Oof - such a small scale game! Sad There aren't even enough surfaces to climb - there's like 1 only in each area .. and it's the only way to go.

I wish it was more like Tomb Raider or something (the old ones - although even the new ones might be less limiting than this game).


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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jan 2018 02:14    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
For the longest time I thought this was a PS4 exclusive lol. Anyway, I played a bit and.. Oof - such a small scale game! Sad There aren't even enough surfaces to climb - there's like 1 only in each area .. and it's the only way to go.

I wish it was more like Tomb Raider or something (the old ones - although even the new ones might be less limiting than this game).


It's not about that. It has a story to tell, about a difficult subject, and that it does bloody well Wink
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PostPosted: Mon, 29th Jan 2018 19:23    Post subject:
Unfortunately I consider the story part boring and yeah I'm well aware about its subject (the game beats you over the head when you start it with PSYCHOSIS).

As a matter of fact I like its limited gameplay more than its story! Laughing

edit Ninja Theory's previous game of this type, Enslaved: Odyssey to the West, had a much more interesting story and gameplay. I really loved that game!


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PostPosted: Sat, 3rd Feb 2018 13:07    Post subject:
Well, from the Trials and on the game became much more interesting.

More interesting puzzles, the story picked up, more fights, less wide open places that were driving me mad with how little interactive they were (it's much more acceptable in a closed space), very good music.

Overall 7/10.


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"We did see this as primarily a PlayStation 4 title, and we thought that platform would be the bulk of our sales, and in fact it was pretty evenly split," explains Antoniades. "So going forward, we will make sure that we get our interface and everything right for the PC audience as well."

Antoniades adds: "We were so surprised that so many people played the game with mouse and keyboard, and we dropped the ball a little bit at the start. We patched it afterwards, but we dropped the ball with our mouse and keyboard support."

https://www.pcgamer.com/hellblade-developer-surprised-so-many-people-played-the-game-with-mouse-and-keyboard/


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PostPosted: Wed, 25th Apr 2018 12:13    Post subject:
They were surprised that PC gamers chose to use a mouse and a keyboard for a game that works best with a mouse and a keyboard ?

Laughing

Third person action adventure\RPG games work best with a mouse and a keyboard. Superior camera control that can't be even remotely achieved on a gamepad. Superior general awareness. That is if devs don't deliberately jeopardize it.


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PostPosted: Wed, 25th Apr 2018 19:40    Post subject:
What exactly works best with mouse and keyboard in this game? What superior camera control? The camera is just... there. It just works.


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PostPosted: Wed, 25th Apr 2018 21:17    Post subject:
prudislav wrote:
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"We did see this as primarily a PlayStation 4 title, and we thought that platform would be the bulk of our sales, and in fact it was pretty evenly split," explains Antoniades. "So going forward, we will make sure that we get our interface and everything right for the PC audience as well."

Antoniades adds: "We were so surprised that so many people played the game with mouse and keyboard, and we dropped the ball a little bit at the start. We patched it afterwards, but we dropped the ball with our mouse and keyboard support."

https://www.pcgamer.com/hellblade-developer-surprised-so-many-people-played-the-game-with-mouse-and-keyboard/

lmao so they were expecting lower sales on PC so why give a fuck about those customers, right? Laughing

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PS4 version was also updated recently with HDR support but I don't think there's any plans for updating the PC version further. And now a VR edition, mental illness in full stereo both for audio and visual heh well it might work out.

Teleport movement I suppose but eh people asked about a VR version and they delivered one which UE4 probably made that a lot simpler since it's capable of VR so that eases development time I suppose although it's still a bit of work transition the control schemes, camera and such stuff.
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Don't trust any developer that uses the term "sku." It's like watching a child pretend to be an adult. It's not a "sku" you fucking phony.
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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jul 2018 17:25    Post subject:
xDBS wrote:
I called it 10 years ago, the xbox360&PS3 age ruined it for us gamers and now i think the industry will crash, its not sustainable anymore. All the people who bought "dlcs" and wasted all their money went to smart phones. And now gamers are left with the trash.


Bingo. The Wii was a perfect demonstration of this. It was a fad, grandmas and other non-gamers seemed to like it, and so Nintendo INSTANTLY threw its core audience under a bus and catered to these mouth breathers.

Now the gravy train has run dry and they don't even know how to make real games anymore. I say let it burn. A crash would be good for the industry overall, honestly. It needs a reboot.

I'd love to see all these shitty Jap relics die out myself.
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PostPosted: Fri, 27th Jul 2018 22:22    Post subject:
wonkedoutweirdo wrote:
A crash would be good for the industry overall, honestly. It needs a reboot.


I think so too. In the last five years there were less than 10 games that enjoyed enough to play and replay. Everything feels too "mainstream". They're pumping titles on a conveyor belt. Lately I've been replaying Deus Ex G.O.T.Y. with the GMDX mod and No One Lives Forever and I'm having tons of fun playing them again.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 21:46    Post subject:
JBeckman wrote:
PS4 version was also updated recently with HDR support but I don't think there's any plans for updating the PC version further. And now a VR edition, mental illness in full stereo both for audio and visual heh well it might work out.

Teleport movement I suppose but eh people asked about a VR version and they delivered one which UE4 probably made that a lot simpler since it's capable of VR so that eases development time I suppose although it's still a bit of work transition the control schemes, camera and such stuff.


Why teleport movement? Im still to install the VR version so I have not tried it myself yet.
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 22:49    Post subject:
I just installed and tried the VR version.



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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 22:51    Post subject:
I loved that game. Kinda want to get some vr headset for it... again


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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 22:55    Post subject:
If you've played this with headphones like you're supposed to, imagine it like that but because in VR, those voices somehow seem even more 'in your head'. And some of the camera angles used are brilliantly done too. It's very playable. 3rd person can take a moment to get used to, but it does work.

I think I'd like to see more games done like this, it doesn't always have to be 1st person in VR.


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