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couleur
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 Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 12:22 Post subject: What are your preferred news sources and why? |
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Based on a few posts in the Trump thread.
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Personally, I've always been into what people call mainstream media. I would call it traditional media. I read mostly german publications like Sueddeutsche, FAZ, Zeit etc. all of which I try to read critically. I also read the french monthly publication "le monde diplomatique". They are altermondialiste and quite left, but their articles are well researched, present all their sources and go in deep historical analyses and have a high level of linguistical complexity. I dont watch news on TV, since I dont watch TV.
I also have, you could call it a bias, against youtube independent news. Here are a few reasons why:
- The language and rethorics. Too much emotion. Too much "this should be obvious to everyone" kind of way. Too many ohhs and aahs.
- The research: Basically snippets of other media glued together in such a way that it supports a certain agenda. And yes, that is how its often done, even in traditional media, but in video the snippets are even shorter and more difficult to put in or out of a specific context. So the risc of manipulation is high. (As it is in traditional media) This doesnt mean that all of it is necessarily bullshit.
- The research 2: Journalism requires research and research requires time and money for investigation and interviews aswell as some serious linguistical skills. All of which seem to miss on youtube guys alot. Instead, all they can do is use whatever they have from other traditional media and need to use as basis for their arguments.
- The form: What is it? Is it an analysis? Is it a critique? Is it a response to another news source? Or is it a conspiracy theory? We are often not told. There is just some guy with an opinion who tries to put together an argument against left or right or some politician/company/other youtuber/media outlet. Most often by trying to call incoherence in the other.
- The form 2: Baudrillard once said: "Television is the certainty that people wont talk with one another. (requiem for the media 1972)" and youtube gives the illusion that everyone can share in the medial circus. But the truth is that only a handful of people actually make a decent dent here. The "masses" are still speechless. And those people who "talk" to each other, often dont really talk to each other, they talk to their audience, who doesnt "really" respond (the comment section is an illusion of response, since the response falls flat in the mass). So the communication is one-sided again.
And furthermore, the illusion of choice (the search algorithms) make some people (not all of them) stay in their ideological bubble. So in the end, it all becomes some kind of political soup where concepts like left and right, alt-this, alt-that, liberal, conservative, progressive, nationalistic, socialistic etc. become mixed up and washed down to whatever fits the current enemy. It doesent help that many of the commentators are not able to or dont want to differentiat themselves. I this is due to the medium itself but also to a lack of skill, which brings me to the last point.
- The qualification. I suppose this is not an issue to most people, but to me it is. Two issues actually: 1. When you are qualified/a star in some field and pretend to have an important opinion in another. (actors often do this, like de Niro). 2. When you have no tangible qualification at all but somehow came to fame on youtube because people liked your style or you did something funny.
Why is this important? Well as someone who has studied history for a few years, I know how difficult it is to do research, to validate your sources, to try and stay neutral. Learning to do this is not something that necessarily comes naturally but it is, like all studies, a laborious enterprise. Shortcuts dont make for a better expert.
What grants someones opinion more credibility? Knowledge in a specific field, fame, the moustache or rhetorical skill?
/rant
Well this turned into a rant as I wrote it up. These are my prejudices.
I am open to suggestions concerning alternative media sources, but I'm also interested in arguments as to why this specific source is better than that.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 13:14 Post subject: |
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All media today is propaganda, it's disgusting. Just the way it's presented, they tell you 'who the enemy is', it's all about subliminally installing their opinion into your brain.
Also why was the tv invented, for propaganda purposes, to this day that's the function.
You have to study history, geopolitics, and think for yourself and not trust certain media, Cnn, msnbc, Fox, bbc all propaganda. RT has contrastly opposite news from these channels  because it's propaganda that goes the other way (pro-Ruskie) but I like it, they have quality material. Like if I watch a cnn segment and then an RT segment on the same issue I laugh my pants off, same thing packaged differently, fools.
I pity the american sheep that trusts their news media, 90% of all those media is owned by 6 companies, they can control the whole country.
Usa is the biggest propaganda machine in the history of mankind.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 13:16 Post subject: |
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Also cnn is the worst, wish somebody would bomb them.
Also those 'experts' on cnn and fox are laughable, they simply find someone who will further their agenda and agree with them, they never get an expert that contradicts them WHAT KINDA EXPERT IS THAT?! I call that a 'yes' man not an expert.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 13:39 Post subject: |
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For me, it's all about comparing, and trying to be as skeptical as possible.
My favorite news source is http://www.krantenkoppen.be/ , which collects the latest articles from a number of mainstream media (not only Belgian, but also French, Dutch, UK, ...). You really start to notice some small but important details in news stories being omitted in certain media, or how many media are just the same.
The Hump's news section is actually also quite a good source, as many people share links to alternative or otherwise unknown sources.
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
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WaldoJ
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Almost if not all political news are opinion pieces with bits of truth placed in. The basic story of trump went to Russia is turned into while still under investigation for colluding with Russia, trump went to meet with his close friend putin.
In reality... any and all news sources are legitimate and worth reading, youn just have to be able to distinguish between the biased opinion in the piece.
White woman calls the cops on a girl selling water.
Woman beats a 90+ yr old man and tells him to go back to Mexico.
The latter and how it was handled by tyt is ridiculous as they spun it as a trump supporting wipo full of hatred and racism, until they retracted because race wasnt white.
Story still got told. The bias will be there regardless of where you read it. If you just want news, read multiple sources on same story to be able to distinguish between what the story is and what the opinion is.
Most headlines are about clicks thanks to Gawker and its success.
I would personally go with free subway/bus/metro papers as the stories are snippets ideal for a quick read and itll tell the basics of story.
For youtube just go with what you find personable, just dont get swallowed up by their personal opinions. Personally it took me a while to snap out of Tim pools tin foil bs.
| Nalo wrote: | | paxsali wrote: | TYT
Fox News |
You mean Dave Rubin |
He went on an attack on the left recently.
His bias shows. Has a nice voice is all.
And theres an attack on Rubin by tyt and other publications right now.
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TSR69
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 14:56 Post subject: |
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Teletext/Ceefax and I still read paper books.
I watch/read the news for entertainment/theatre and to have a good laugh .
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 14:56 Post subject: |
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| Nalo wrote: | | TSR69 wrote: | Dutch: Volkskrant, NOS, NRC
UK: BBC, The Guardian
US: Washington Post, The New York Times
Debatable but they are among the most objective news sources.
But then again this thread is not about me.  |
BBC is a mouthpiece for the state
Guardian is pure lefty propaganda |
Yeah he went a bit nuts there.
washington post is the most supportive of the military complex and invasions, propaganda.
Times is so-so.
I like Reuters myself. |
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 15:00 Post subject: |
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Mouthpieces for the state are not bad.
Major publications are not bad.
Local publications are not bad.
They have to adhere to shareholders, owners, advertisers and the people reading them. The news are still there and happening.
Bias and personal opinion is what is causing the distrust. Ignore it and just read the news.
| Sin317 wrote: | | I win, you lose. Or Go fuck yourself. |
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 15:01 Post subject: |
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Jimmy Dore show frequently uses 'the intercept' they're great and self financed, not owned by corporations.
https://theintercept.com/
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TSR69
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 15:02 Post subject: |
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I hope you know the difference between opinions and news?
A good paper separates them.
Formerly known as iconized
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 15:20 Post subject: |
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Favourite news source?
Drama Alert
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 16:13 Post subject: |
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| TSR69 wrote: | I hope you know the difference between opinions and news?
A good paper separates them. |
Not anymore.
Millenials read more news than the old folk.
Old folk watch the news.
News programmes are laced with delusions of grandeur and personalized opinions.
Written pieces include personal opinion in things.
Colourful language to side with the story.
24 hour news cycle ruined news.
There was a time where the daily show was a good source of news. Not anymore. You always had a liberal point of view but it didnt attack the viewer and it wasnt skewed for lols.
Same with bill Maher.
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 17:38 Post subject: |
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Pew News
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 17:57 Post subject: |
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Pew news isnt as good since Gloria left.
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| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 19:41 Post subject: |
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The only true media source is the one I agree with!
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 21:24 Post subject: |
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Twitter
Facebook
Reddit
Hump’s World News section (“Spermidine intake”)
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| Posted: Sat, 21st Jul 2018 21:35 Post subject: |
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Google news, random sources...
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jul 2018 00:16 Post subject: |
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Interesting topic ! 
Newspapers ( the good ones are well-known, and their best articles often aren't on the front page ), reliable radio channels ( France Culture in my case ) featuring scholar work, own research on whichever various medium in order to fact-check the data and explore its entirety.
If you can combine all of those sources and they align, then you can be fairly confident in the value and trust you can put in information you extract out of it.
All of the "traditional" journalistic sources only deliver as much information as they can fit into their individual medium with the inherent and unavoidable bias that comes with them ( then again, the good sources which are more trustworthy are rather famous ), but I don't feel like they've spectacularly worsened or are more biased than ever at all. The Internet and its cult of fast-food news did worsen the quality of newspapers which became brands more than anything else in order to survive, but their paper versions are usually still pretty solid. Some blogs hosted by experts can be really interesting and provide you with an insight you simply don't have the time to achieve. The internet provides you with an unfathomable wealth of information ( traditional at core, or user-made ) in order to contradict and challenge the more traditional sources, which might greatly explain the recent mistrust in them.
Immediate information is always more doubtful than the one that has be refined by time, like a fine wine That's really important.
Once again, you have to be thorough and multiply the angles whether it be through differences in political compass directions, spheres of geographical influence, even time ( it's always fun to read older articles on contemporary subjects ). It's how you choose to consume the media which defines the quality and trustworthiness of the information and opinion you'll squeeze out of it.
Anything on YT often strikes me as a show designed for entertainment ( much like the majority of TV, except TV is obviously more corporate ), rather than a piece of thorough journalistic work; the vast majority of them only deal with very specific topics, by-the-hour analyses based on nothing but an instant. All of it done in a very cinematic, sensationalized and cult-of-personality fashion that I find very mainstream and outdated in the end.. It's rare that I find something new in those channels that I couldn't find presented elsewhere in a more complete way. A handful of channels are solid though.
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