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Kaltern




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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Jul 2018 14:15    Post subject:
While Smart does sometimes forget that shutting up can be a good thing... he's not been particularly incorrect in anything he's come out with in all honesty.

It isn't just about the amount of time they've taken to deliver the game. It's the behind the scenes stuff regarding their financials that is the most troubling - why would they need so many shell companies for example? They're not EA. (well, ok, maybe that's who they're aspiring to be...)


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PostPosted: Mon, 16th Jul 2018 23:10    Post subject:
AmpegV4 wrote:
taking my money and delivering nothing is okay, is there any other industry that can do this?


In America? insurance, healthcare, taxes, any form of retirement...
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2018 13:58    Post subject:
Kaltern wrote:
While Smart does sometimes forget that shutting up can be a good thing... he's not been particularly incorrect in anything he's come out with in all honesty.

It isn't just about the amount of time they've taken to deliver the game. It's the behind the scenes stuff regarding their financials that is the most troubling - why would they need so many shell companies for example? They're not EA. (well, ok, maybe that's who they're aspiring to be...)


People shit on Smart saying "he did the exact same thing 20 years ago! Who is he to point the figure?". But me? I agree with smart BECAUSE he did the exact same thing 20 years ago and knows what it means to over-promise and to under-deliver. Except he didn't rob thousands of gamers but instead relied on publisher money to make his games. Still, at least his games were more finished (and in a shorter space of time) than what Star Citizen is right now Laughing

I'll repeat my point of a few years ago though: I think Robert, back in 2012, expected the performance of gaming system to increase quite a big by now and ... it didn't. With bit coin miners pushing the price of graphics cards through the roof and CPU's barely seeing a 10% increase until a year ago, Star Citizen is still as system-crippling as it was 6 years ago. On top of all the crap they added, they've been digging their own hole even deeper ever since.
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PostPosted: Mon, 23rd Jul 2018 15:20    Post subject:
Very rarely can you just brute force through shitty, bloated code in a complicated video game.

AmpegV4 wrote:
taking my money and delivering nothing is okay, is there any other industry that can do this?

What about porn scenes with condoms? Wtf is that?
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PostPosted: Wed, 25th Jul 2018 10:37    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2018 23:51    Post subject:
https://www.criticalhit.net/gaming/star-citizen-removes-game-currency-cap-inciting-pay-win-objections/

The article basically says that there is no cap on hoarding money anymore. So ppl say that if they hold out until the real release(whenever that is) players who own it now will have an advantage.



well since i don't plan on playing it it doesnt bother me but maybe important for some folks here.


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Kaltern




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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2018 00:27    Post subject:
Sounds to me they want people to spend spend spend... regardless if the game is ever going to be completed, it's just another form of cash injection, designed to appeal to those with the money to spare AND with a desire to be better than everyone else.

More fool them I say.


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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2018 09:14    Post subject:
Kaltern wrote:
Sounds to me they want people to spend spend spend... regardless if the game is ever going to be completed, it's just another form of cash injection, designed to appeal to those with the money to spare AND with a desire to be better than everyone else.

More fool them I say.


Sounds to me they're running out of money. You only do such things because otherwise you'll run out. Considering how much money they got, it's ridiculous they'd need even more. Oh well, this game will never get released in a proper state.
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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2018 12:12    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2018 17:00    Post subject:
lametta wrote:
https://www.criticalhit.net/gaming/star-citizen-removes-game-currency-cap-inciting-pay-win-objections/

The article basically says that there is no cap on hoarding money anymore. So ppl say that if they hold out until the real release(whenever that is) players who own it now will have an advantage.


Seems like a strange decision.

If they are claiming you won't be able to buy ships after release, which would completely solve the pay to win situation, but now allow people to hoard all the money they want so they can basically pay to win for a certain amount of time... it sounds like the biggest whales will get some sort of temporary pay to win until their initial funds run out.
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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2018 17:20    Post subject:
Oh there is no doubt in my mind that ships will be purchasable after release - not that I think it'll BE released of course...


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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2018 20:02    Post subject:
this game will NEVER have dedi-servers to run your own "universe", not in a million years. the whole business model works against that


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Now, I don't know what hardware costs in Poland, I guess it's cheaper because everything is stolen from Germany and resold...
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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Aug 2018 02:08    Post subject:
GreatPlayer wrote:
The end is near?!

https://massivelyop.com/2018/08/15/a-judge-has-mostly-denied-star-citizen-studios-motion-to-dismiss-the-crytek-copyright-lawsuit/


The copyright infringement part likely won't hold. lets not also forget that they half won the motions to dismiss.

I have no idea what the penalty for breaching the contract is though, I can't imagine it would be that severe.

I guess we'll find out soon.

Actually some further reading:

The first argument is about if Squadron 42 could use the CryEngine, evidence points that they were allowed to do this.

The second arguement is monetary damages etc which is most likely related to the breach of contract.
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PostPosted: Thu, 16th Aug 2018 02:52    Post subject:
Oh you really are naive Laughing


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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Aug 2018 08:50    Post subject:
Haha. I started admiring them. They didn't do shit since the the very start, it screams scam on all sides and yet there are idiots who give them money.

I've tried the game last weekend when it was free and uninstalled it after 30 min. 15 min of that were loadings. Other 15 min was torturing myself with 7-20 fps Very Happy I don/t know what they did with all them millions of dollars, but game development is definitely not one of them.


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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Aug 2018 09:56    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Aug 2018 09:58    Post subject:
... okay now they're taking the piss. They're becoming their own parody ffs.
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PostPosted: Fri, 31st Aug 2018 10:13    Post subject:
its not like there is a downside to milking the whales.

The whales can't get fed up and quit, they have invested too much.
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