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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Feb 2019 13:26    Post subject:
Audi has so short warranty that it's mind blowing for a car in that price range compared to BMW who offers free services and 5-year warranty.


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Feb 2019 13:47    Post subject:
I'll never get an Audi (I had an Audi A4) with automatic transmission again (or a computer that lost ALL settings when the battery went flat and I had to rent the special VW/Audi-specific hardware cable (ODB-II on a VW or Audi? LOL, nope, they only accept their own very expensive proprietary cable that comes with the software that won't work unless you have their cable with active components which allows you to reset and recalibrate the gas throttle and reset all kinds of shit. I had to push the damn car to my kitchen window to hook up my car battery charger (I live in an apartment building, no garage) and had an extension cord coming out of the window so I could charge the battery and get power to the computer while I worked on getting it to actually start again (for some reason, if the battery is flat for a certain period of time it lose several important settings including the key security shit which needs to be fixed by silly stuff like turning on the ignition (not starting the engine), lock the door manually (since the keys code was forgotten and the remote didn't work either), hold the lock-button on the remote while putting the key in the lock and opening it (or something like that). It didn't work the first time, the second time or the third time. Finally the remote battery died so I had to walk to a store to buy an expensive and very unusual non-standard battery just to get the remote working. I read the instructions over and over, did the whole procedure a few times and FINALLY I got the lock/open remote to work.

Now I could go on to re-register my car key with my car. At that moment I couldn't start the car since the key wasn't recognized and basically seen as fake or something. Ie. the car was immobilized. I ran the software, did some stuff and then tried to pair my key to the car again.

Took several attempts. I finally managed to start the car. A few months later the automatic transmission failed (both it's computer part and the transmission hardware) and the cost of fixing it was at that point higher than the car was worth.

I loved driving that car when it was fine. It was chipped with profiles bumping it by 60hp giving me a proper boost without any noticeable turbo lag. For an old hatchback Audi A4 with automatic transmission I think 0-100 in 6.9 seconds wasn't bad, esp. since it was just a standard 1.8L 4. Now that I think about it I guess that added boost (and my tendency to floor it on the motorway etc. since it just felt so good) may have had something to do with wearing out the auto-transmission.

I want a car that is simple to work with. Not advanced computer systems that fucks up after a year. Perhaps I'll get some old pre-90'ies Volvo 240 if it's in good condition. Cheap parts. But the taxes for such a car is prohibiting due to it's not-so-environmentally-friendly technology Wink


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Feb 2019 15:35    Post subject:
ok but I guess newer audis don't have those issues Confused What about Mercedes (Avantgarde, Shadow line, Business Package, E400d)? Regarding warranty:It's company leasing. So not my business I guess?


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Feb 2019 15:52    Post subject:
I found out that the VAG Tiptronic automatic transmissions back then (by now it's almost 20 years ago so the car wasn't new when I bought it obviously) had an unusual high failure rate (after the warranty period of course).

This is one of many flaws with the Tiptronic system used in that period:
https://desertoasisautorepair.com/common-audi-a4-and-a6-transmission-problems/

Quote:
Torque Converter Clutch

The torque converter’s clutch begins to slip over time in Audi A4 and Audi A6 models. The root cause is typically a faulty seal and, after slipping for a short time, the clutch gets destroyed.

On occasion, the clutch could also jam. If you are experiencing trouble with your torque converter clutch, you may feel a slight jolt when you’re driving as your Audi switches gears. Unless you catch the problem right away (generally before the warning light) you will need to completely replace the clutch.


I'll never again buy a car with automatic transmission. That was my first and last car with it. While it was very convenient and it changed gears faster than I could do thanks to the programming that was made when the car was chipped it's simply more prone to fail than a manual and if it breaks (like mine did) the cost of replacing it is prohibitively expensive (at least for me). My car went to recycling. Crying or Very sad


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Feb 2019 15:55    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
I found out that the VAG Tiptronic automatic transmissions back then (by now it's almost 20 years ago so the car wasn't new when I bought it obviously) had an unusual high failure rate (after the warranty period of course).

This is one of many flaws with the Tiptronic system used in that period:
https://desertoasisautorepair.com/common-audi-a4-and-a6-transmission-problems/

Quote:
Torque Converter Clutch

The torque converter’s clutch begins to slip over time in Audi A4 and Audi A6 models. The root cause is typically a faulty seal and, after slipping for a short time, the clutch gets destroyed.

On occasion, the clutch could also jam. If you are experiencing trouble with your torque converter clutch, you may feel a slight jolt when you’re driving as your Audi switches gears. Unless you catch the problem right away (generally before the warning light) you will need to completely replace the clutch.


Only real "problem" with those tiptronic trannies is that they are massive power hogs.
Driving a manual V6 vs automatic from the late 90s there is a MASSIVE difference.

Properly maintained they both last forever though.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Feb 2019 16:08    Post subject:
Well, it's true that having everything in the car properly maintained would keep it running for decades but without expert knowledge and know-how it means many trips to car mechanics which I simply couldn't afford. I've often wished I had spent more time tinkering with cars when I was younger instead of spending my time on music (writing songs, playing the guitar, playing in bands etc.) and computers but I never did. I know the basics and can do some basic mechanic stuff. Messing with the transmission etc. was out of my league.

That's why I want a simple car that I can actually tinker with if I need to. Preferably one that does 0.5-0.6L fuel/10km. (and those parameters are pointing at the smaller cars).


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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Feb 2019 18:24    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
A6 50TDI (black, black optics package, s-line exterior) or 530d (m sports, white)?

Since it'll be company lease and you won't have tp care about repairs, Audi A6. BMW can't seem to get the interior finishing and details up to par compared to the likes of Merc, Audi and Lexus.
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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Feb 2019 19:11    Post subject:
@Frant Look into older Subarus if you're looking for a reliable car.


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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Feb 2019 00:43    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
PumpAction wrote:
A6 50TDI (black, black optics package, s-line exterior) or 530d (m sports, white)?

Since it'll be company lease and you won't have tp care about repairs, Audi A6. BMW can't seem to get the interior finishing and details up to par compared to the likes of Merc, Audi and Lexus.

Yeah, I was so happy with my BMWs that I just stuck to them I guess. But there are apparently options. So I configured the E400d Coupé and it's actually doable! (though just the car, business package and ambient light Laughing) I don't even like the looks of it THAT much but 340PS and 700nm So Much Win
Stige wrote:
Frant wrote:
I found out that the VAG Tiptronic automatic transmissions back then (by now it's almost 20 years ago so the car wasn't new when I bought it obviously) had an unusual high failure rate (after the warranty period of course).

This is one of many flaws with the Tiptronic system used in that period:
https://desertoasisautorepair.com/common-audi-a4-and-a6-transmission-problems/

Quote:
Torque Converter Clutch

The torque converter’s clutch begins to slip over time in Audi A4 and Audi A6 models. The root cause is typically a faulty seal and, after slipping for a short time, the clutch gets destroyed.

On occasion, the clutch could also jam. If you are experiencing trouble with your torque converter clutch, you may feel a slight jolt when you’re driving as your Audi switches gears. Unless you catch the problem right away (generally before the warning light) you will need to completely replace the clutch.


Only real "problem" with those tiptronic trannies is that they are massive power hogs.
Driving a manual V6 vs automatic from the late 90s there is a MASSIVE difference.

Properly maintained they both last forever though.

Is that still true though that so much power is lost to automatic? My current 325d is a manual and has the bigger inline 6 compared to my 2l 420d. The 420 had the sports automatic and to me it feels as if it was MUCH faster to 100 and also faster to 160. After that the 325d is quicker though. Especially between 180 and 230.


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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Feb 2019 19:45    Post subject:
The e400d coupe is a class better than A6, so an unfair comparison. It shjould be compared to the A7. If it's between those two, the Merc is an easy choice.
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PostPosted: Sun, 17th Feb 2019 16:30    Post subject:
I would suggest Merc before Audi too


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PostPosted: Sun, 17th Feb 2019 18:25    Post subject:
StrEagle wrote:
I would suggest Merc before Audi too


Friend drives a tow truck and wanna guess the car he tows most by a long shot?
Nop, not Audi.

Mercedes.

But I would hazard a guess that VAGs are close behind.
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PostPosted: Sun, 17th Feb 2019 19:11    Post subject:
When it's a company lease you basically get the biggest, fastest car that looks the best to you. Nothing else really matters.
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PostPosted: Sun, 17th Feb 2019 19:17    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
When it's a company lease you basically get the biggest, fastest car that looks the best to you that fits into your budget while you bitch and moan about the prices of extras.

ftfy Very Happy

@stige: yeah, heard anough horror stories about mercs Sad


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PostPosted: Sun, 17th Feb 2019 22:48    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
When it's a company lease you basically get the biggest, fastest car that looks the best to you. Nothing else really matters.


unless your leased car spends 2 months of each year in the service shop


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and yes, mine is only average
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Lutzifer wrote:
and yes, mine is only average
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PostPosted: Fri, 30th Aug 2019 13:38    Post subject:
Laughing


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and yes, mine is only average
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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Sep 2019 18:14    Post subject:
Stige wrote:
So pretty



Was this the car you were working on that I shipped that huge fucking box of car parts to you? It's so weird seeing American muscle rocking out in another country <3

Just bought this lil guy a couple weeks ago.

2019 Jetta. Base model only because it was the only model they had that was stick shift and really the rest of the trim shit above wasn't worth the price. Any of the the fancy extra features I just unlocked through the OBD port using Carista. Was on sale for 16K and it's got a 10 year 120K mile bumper to bumper warranty on it.



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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Sep 2019 19:25    Post subject:
Damn that's cheap.
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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Sep 2019 19:47    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
Damn that's cheap.
No extreme car taxes like over here in europe
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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Sep 2019 19:49    Post subject:
What? Stige is from Finland and last I checked Finland is part of Europe. Wink


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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Sep 2019 19:50    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
What? Stige is from Finland and last I checked Finland is part of Europe. Wink
We're talking about spykeZ here, gramps Razz


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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Sep 2019 20:32    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
Damn that's cheap.


lol ya, most cars like this you can't even get under 25.

The fucked up part is it's only a 1.4 with a turbo but god damn does the fucker move when you need it to. If you're babying it I've gotten over the advertised 40mpg on highway.

Funny part is it's 89 cubic inches for motor size, my motorcycle is 111 lol. Car is rated at 1390cc something like that, my bike is 1811cc. Maybe I should swap the motors Razz Razz

All that aside, I've never owned a Volkswagen before but I love the interior design, it's just simple and clean.

deelix wrote:
Mister_s wrote:
Damn that's cheap.
No extreme car taxes like over here in europe


What taxes do you have to pay on your cars over there? We have some dumb fees like "shipping to lot" and all that which usually just ends up being around 500 bucks when you add them all up but only tax is sales which WI is 5%


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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Sep 2019 21:21    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
Mister_s wrote:
Damn that's cheap.


lol ya, most cars like this you can't even get under 25.

The fucked up part is it's only a 1.4 with a turbo but god damn does the fucker move when you need it to. If you're babying it I've gotten over the advertised 40mpg on highway.

Funny part is it's 89 cubic inches for motor size, my motorcycle is 111 lol. Car is rated at 1390cc something like that, my bike is 1811cc. Maybe I should swap the motors Razz Razz

All that aside, I've never owned a Volkswagen before but I love the interior design, it's just simple and clean.

deelix wrote:
Mister_s wrote:
Damn that's cheap.
No extreme car taxes like over here in europe


What taxes do you have to pay on your cars over there? We have some dumb fees like "shipping to lot" and all that which usually just ends up being around 500 bucks when you add them all up but only tax is sales which WI is 5%


Importing cars to Finland, newer ones atleast, you usually pay more in taxes than you paid for the actual car itself.

Then you can import something from the 60s worth 100k+ and you pay like 100€ in taxes.

Not fucked up at all.
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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Sep 2019 22:49    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
Mister_s wrote:
Damn that's cheap.


lol ya, most cars like this you can't even get under 25.

The fucked up part is it's only a 1.4 with a turbo but god damn does the fucker move when you need it to. If you're babying it I've gotten over the advertised 40mpg on highway.

Funny part is it's 89 cubic inches for motor size, my motorcycle is 111 lol. Car is rated at 1390cc something like that, my bike is 1811cc. Maybe I should swap the motors Razz Razz

All that aside, I've never owned a Volkswagen before but I love the interior design, it's just simple and clean.

deelix wrote:
Mister_s wrote:
Damn that's cheap.
No extreme car taxes like over here in europe


What taxes do you have to pay on your cars over there? We have some dumb fees like "shipping to lot" and all that which usually just ends up being around 500 bucks when you add them all up but only tax is sales which WI is 5%


but your 1,8 bike has 100Nm
while the 1,4 car has 200Nm+ and air con

Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Sep 2019 00:18    Post subject:
my bike has a thermal electric cooled seat though so that helps a lot too Razz


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Sep 2019 01:05    Post subject:
Did VW fix their shitty 1.4 and 1.6 engines and their chains? I hope so for you spykez Very Happy


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Sep 2019 01:06    Post subject:
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Did VW fix their shitty 1.4 and 1.6 engines and their chains? I hope so for you spykez Very Happy


Fix them from what? Chains? lol


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PostPosted: Mon, 2nd Sep 2019 01:16    Post subject:
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Did VW fix their shitty 1.4 and 1.6 engines and their chains? I hope so for you spykez Very Happy


Are you talking about the timing chain? It's the 2.0 engine that are known for timing chain failure even after just 20,000 miles. Most of that was fixed around 2014 for all VW models as far as I know (and read).

http://www.vwproblems.com/timing-chain/


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