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| Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006 17:07 Post subject: |
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| Hfric wrote: | | one question : how many games use TAGES copy protection (if i remeber right they where only three games Beyond goos & Evil and Farenheight and don`t forget ECHO ) |
XIII, Moto Racer 3, Asterix and Obelix XXL 1 & 2... probably more
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Jan 2006 00:23 Post subject: |
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| CableMunkeh wrote: | | ELIZ wrote: |
sf ass got owned so why don't u represent some place else,some ppl still got enough brains not to buy your crapy software,so your influence is usseles пидар  |
Nice.
Listen, muppet, firstly I'm nothing to do with Starforce / Protection Technologies.
Secondly SF is far from 'owned'. Most people don't give two shits about Starforce tbh. None of the modern protections with the possible exception of SR7 are comprehensively cracked.
Thanks for the flattering about influence though, I know I've no influence at all nor do I want any. Go back to unpluggind IDE drives every time you want to play a game dude. You might consider that cracked, I don't. |
i don't have optical ide drive so there is nothing to unplug for me & i play every cloned sf games without any difficulties & as i already said i don't give a crap about cracks, clones are good enough for me,so if sf can be cloned it's owned already
instead of implementing uber protections as they think, they could just drop prises so most of the ppl could afford it
i'll buy game if it has replay value or just very well made but as long as it contains sf i won't spend a single penny on it
get a live moron
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| Posted: Sun, 29th Jan 2006 11:25 Post subject: |
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| ELIZ wrote: | | CableMunkeh wrote: | | ELIZ wrote: |
sf ass got owned so why don't u represent some place else,some ppl still got enough brains not to buy your crapy software,so your influence is usseles пидар |
Nice.
Listen, muppet, firstly I'm nothing to do with Starforce / Protection Technologies.
Secondly SF is far from 'owned'. Most people don't give two shits about Starforce tbh. None of the modern protections with the possible exception of SR7 are comprehensively cracked.
Thanks for the flattering about influence though, I know I've no influence at all nor do I want any. Go back to unpluggind IDE drives every time you want to play a game dude. You might consider that cracked, I don't. |
i don't have optical ide drive so there is nothing to unplug for me & i play every cloned sf games without any difficulties & as i already said i don't give a crap about cracks, clones are good enough for me,so if sf can be cloned it's owned already
instead of implementing uber protections as they think, they could just drop prises so most of the ppl could afford it
i'll buy game if it has replay value or just very well made but as long as it contains sf i won't spend a single penny on it
get a live moron |
I don't understand why you are picking on this guy. You are almost attacking him in a way  . StarForce is a good protection and I don't think anyone can say anything else, the Clones are hell for people without nForce motherboards. So Starforce is doing it's job, that doesn't meen I like them  so im with CableMunkeh overall on this. And I think the cracking scene for PC-games will soon die and clones will probably take over like you in a way are talking about Muppet.
This is probably the right way to go if the developers want to stop piracy on there games, give the scene something they can't handle. We will surely see harder protections for Appz/DVD/Console in a near future . Maybe StarForce is already working on this, who knows  .
BTW Cracking isn't Clones  imo.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2006 04:01 Post subject: |
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| ELIZ wrote: | | cracking means smoking crack imho & u don't have to have nforce board to play clones ;) |
you still don't get it, do you? StarForce was not designed so that you could not play games, but to prevent easy duplication of the software it protects. And you can go on forever how you can play these games and blahblah ... noone, not the publishers nor SF will give a rats ass. If you actually have optical drives (like prolly 95% of all pcs), no nForce motherboard, cannot be arsed to unplug shit, run 3947343 obscure Visual Basic Applications througout a 20-step process and/or just have no clue then you will probably not be able to get those Starforce games running at all. Now what i just said prolly applies to like 80-90% of all pc-users around so i say this protection is pretty solid. I am sure devs can live with that fact that 1337 h4xx0rZ like you can "play teh gamez 4 free!1!!!11!" (as you're prolly too much of a cheapass to buy any anyway).
Even if SF is sorta evil in how it messes with your system, to even consider installing a SF protected game you must have the shittiest, buggiest and most pathetic software that exists installed anyway - Windows! Seeing how Windows has trillions of exploits/backdoors/bugs i really could bother less about the few more introduced with SF. Whoever has any important stuff stored on a Windows box should be punished anyway.
Just my 2 cents.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jan 2006 15:51 Post subject: |
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| opcode32 wrote: | | ELIZ wrote: | | cracking means smoking crack imho & u don't have to have nforce board to play clones |
you still don't get it, do you? StarForce was not designed so that you could not play games, but to prevent easy duplication of the software it protects. And you can go on forever how you can play these games and blahblah ... noone, not the publishers nor SF will give a rats ass. If you actually have optical drives (like prolly 95% of all pcs), no nForce motherboard, cannot be arsed to unplug shit, run 3947343 obscure Visual Basic Applications througout a 20-step process and/or just have no clue then you will probably not be able to get those Starforce games running at all. Now what i just said prolly applies to like 80-90% of all pc-users around so i say this protection is pretty solid. I am sure devs can live with that fact that 1337 h4xx0rZ like you can "play teh gamez 4 free!1!!!11!" (as you're prolly too much of a cheapass to buy any anyway).
Even if SF is sorta evil in how it messes with your system, to even consider installing a SF protected game you must have the shittiest, buggiest and most pathetic software that exists installed anyway - Windows! Seeing how Windows has trillions of exploits/backdoors/bugs i really could bother less about the few more introduced with SF. Whoever has any important stuff stored on a Windows box should be punished anyway.
Just my 2 cents. |
sound like a Starforce programer defendig his baby saying "its not our fault that this progy is bugy it THE FAULT OF .... ahm hahm BILL and win , yeah yeah win and bill "
LOLZ hey you are telling me that win in the trouble maker , hmm so wonders me why the game industry releases patches for they games LOLz HEy win likes all protection but when some "protection" like STARFORCE fuck ups his drives he goes wacko and psycho , o and one question to you why :
System requirements for the protected product:
* An Intel Pentium or other 100% compatible processor
* Microsoft Windows 95, 98, ME, Windows NT 4.0 (SP4, SP5, SP6), Windows 2000, Windows XP 32/64-bit, Windows Server 2003 32/64-bit
* An Internet connection for activation (when using this technology).
* A CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive (for products distributed on optical media)
hmm not seeing linux ... or other system ...?
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jan 2006 08:52 Post subject: |
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| Hfric wrote: | sound like a Starforce programer defendig his baby saying "its not our fault that this progy is bugy it THE FAULT OF .... ahm hahm BILL and win , yeah yeah win and bill "
LOLZ hey you are telling me that win in the trouble maker , hmm so wonders me why the game industry releases patches for they games LOLz HEy win likes all protection but when some "protection" like STARFORCE fuck ups his drives he goes wacko and psycho , o and one question to you why :
System requirements for the protected product:
* An Intel Pentium or other 100% compatible processor
* Microsoft Windows 95, 98, ME, Windows NT 4.0 (SP4, SP5, SP6), Windows 2000, Windows XP 32/64-bit, Windows Server 2003 32/64-bit
* An Internet connection for activation (when using this technology).
* A CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive (for products distributed on optical media)
hmm not seeing linux ... or other system ...? |
That'll be because the protection, like the games, is written for windows. *sigh*
Gonna complain that it doesn't support the Vic-20 next perhaps? About as relevant as Linux in this conversation.
FWIW yes the other guy's comments were strange, yours were complete crap too though and didn't really help your point.
Fact your post shows all the literacy skills of a 3 year old apart from the c/p doesn't help either/
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jan 2006 12:21 Post subject: |
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CompanyName = Russobit-M
ProductName = East Front
BuildSignature = 3.07.012.005, 27.01.06
No comment
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jan 2006 13:21 Post subject: |
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| CableMunkeh wrote: | | Hfric wrote: | sound like a Starforce programer defendig his baby saying "its not our fault that this progy is bugy it THE FAULT OF .... ahm hahm BILL and win , yeah yeah win and bill "
LOLZ hey you are telling me that win in the trouble maker , hmm so wonders me why the game industry releases patches for they games LOLz HEy win likes all protection but when some "protection" like STARFORCE fuck ups his drives he goes wacko and psycho , o and one question to you why :
System requirements for the protected product:
* An Intel Pentium or other 100% compatible processor
* Microsoft Windows 95, 98, ME, Windows NT 4.0 (SP4, SP5, SP6), Windows 2000, Windows XP 32/64-bit, Windows Server 2003 32/64-bit
* An Internet connection for activation (when using this technology).
* A CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive (for products distributed on optical media)
hmm not seeing linux ... or other system ...? |
That'll be because the protection, like the games, is written for windows. *sigh*
Gonna complain that it doesn't support the Vic-20 next perhaps? About as relevant as Linux in this conversation.
FWIW yes the other guy's comments were strange, yours were complete crap too though and didn't really help your point.
Fact your post shows all the literacy skills of a 3 year old apart from the c/p doesn't help either/ |
hello , nice to see you again , so still you what to prove yourself in this word war 
you really need a sence of humor cablemunkeh , anyway it really sounded like a programer
that is pissed about US that we can run Starforce games from clones , by US i mean sfcure and DT4 Users wonders me what will be next
and for the info this are system requirements for the old starforce , becoz the new one will not run in win 95 , 98 , ME , yeah i know drivers new tech , but even wondered why on starforce site there is a woman beging US to use it ?
anyway nice to have some one to argue about  but wonders me why its allways starforce
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jan 2006 15:51 Post subject: |
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funny that whenever someone does not join the "omg, starforce is so bad" reign it's always assumed they are working for that company. i am pretty sure sf coders could not care less about this board as it seems they're making good money either way.
the reason why i brough the Windows thing up is that whenever someones PC crashes it's ofcourse Starforce fault. The fact that the underlying OS is POS and that todays games are rather rushed and therefore often badly coded seems oddly often not even being considered. Also, sure there are shitloads of Patchesfor todays games (see above) but i still dare to say that WinXP alone gets more fixes in a month then a game within it's whole life-cycle.
Also, if you care so much about your precious system and are afraid that SF will destroy it, why bothering with the clones anyway (which actually install SF crap on your box just like any other retail game)?
Anyway, i am getting a bit off-topic with this. All i am saying is that even if you can run cloned SF protected games under various configurations with the right tools, they still do not run out of the box on most pc's aviable. And in the end this is what the retailers only care about and therefore SF just does what it's supposed to do. So saying "Starfoce got
pw0n3d!!!!" is rather exaggerated imho
oh, and for the record: i own two starforce protected games (runaway & splinter cell) and never had any problem with those
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jan 2006 19:02 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jan 2006 20:52 Post subject: |
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| kerteds wrote: | | opcode32 wrote: | | but i still dare to say that WinXP alone gets more fixes in a month then a game within it's whole life-cycle. |
yes a game is as complex as an operating system :roll: |
ofcourse thats why Unix is as bug-infested and exploitable as any Windows.
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jan 2006 21:21 Post subject: |
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| opcode32 wrote: |
ofcourse thats why Unix is as bug-infested and exploitable as any Windows. |
sorry but is unix a game? since we were talking about game and OS patches.
just plain stupid to compare games to OS's
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jan 2006 23:35 Post subject: |
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jeez, why have people beat this to death. i am aware of the fact i'm are sorta comparing bananas with apples. all i am saying is that people seem to create a pretty big fuss about how sf drivers can be used to gain system access and that there approach might cause system/hardware mailfunctions etc etc whilst the very plattform this protection uses is rather shitty to begin with. if you do not agree upon this, then i'm fine but we should stop the pointless Windows vs. Unix vs. Stability vs. Starforce vs. Godzilla debate (yes, i started it, yes i even bothered to reply - the curse of forums, you somehow feel the urge to always make another statement when someone replies, but i still think this is going nowhere)
my sole intention was to make some ppl think about the facts they're basing their position on starforce upon. anyway, i guess noone can be convinced otherwise here so we should return to the original "omg i can play teh cl0nez! starforce got pw0ned, hahahaha!!!11!!" talking.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Feb 2006 23:19 Post subject: |
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with this new version of starforce can you bypassethe protection with unplugged your drive ?
thanks
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 10:32 Post subject: |
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| 13thHouR wrote: | Starforce is not a virus. Do not say it is or they will sue you.
It does however act as a Trojan Gateway. As in malicious 3rd part apps can exploit its security holes to gain Ring 0 access.
Starforce does not directly trash your drives:
It does however trigger DMA step down to PIO mode,which can damage some CD/DVD roms if run in that mode for an extended period of time.
Starforce does not hack your system:
It does however make it easier for peeps to gain access (see Ring0 issue above).
Starforce does not trash your IDE controller channels:
It does mess up the filters section of the Registry, which in turn causes Windows to kick out a (Code 41) error in the device manager.
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This is taken from another board, and is similar to what other people wrote on StarForce. While a power user could easily solve problems regarding the DMA step down and the registry, it's the average users that suffer the most, and power users are not in question here, but the vast majority of regular PC users that don't even know or care what kind of protection a game uses.
Saying that "windows has alredy enough security holes, what difference another one will do?" is like saying "why bother cleaning up the dust, tomorrow it will just be there again". A twisted way of thinking imo, but that's just me. Security holes are patched when discovered, there isn't another way. If this issue hasn't been exploited yet, that doesn't make it less a security threat. All this is about what it CAN be done and it isn't.
While you're defending StarForce, and it's your right to do so if that's what you think, please, take a moment and think about the fact that publishers who use this protection think of you, the ones that bought their product, more of a potential pirate rather than an honest buyer.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 18:26 Post subject: |
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There's no exploit of Starforce to enable a Ring 3 -> Ring 0 transition. An issue was seen and fixed a while ago.
AV software runs in Ring 0 as well ya know, as does Alcohol, Daemon Tools and the other virtual drive products which install drivers. Just because something uses sysenter doesn't mean it is vulnerable.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 18:55 Post subject: |
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Problem is that all the programs you mentioned are installed on demand, with consent from Joe User. There is no choice in the case of SF drivers. If I choose to expose my PC to threats, it's my problem, if someone else does it by installing covert drivers, then it's ...well, how would you call that?
As for the part "there is no exploit", I understand that. Problem is "might be one?" You say no. Well, no offence, but I'm not going to take your word for it.
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Feb 2006 20:34 Post subject: |
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| CableMunkeh wrote: | There's no exploit of Starforce to enable a Ring 3 -> Ring 0 transition. An issue was seen and fixed a while ago.
AV software runs in Ring 0 as well ya know, as does Alcohol, Daemon Tools and the other virtual drive products which install drivers. Just because something uses sysenter doesn't mean it is vulnerable. |
Even if an exploit existed at one time, it was never used by any virus that i remember, and whatever used it would have to have used an exploit to even get on the system anyway. Clearly much bigger security issues you have there if that becomes the case. I can say 100% there is no actual security risk presented by the starforce drivers, just some more anti-starforce hype. Maybe in some pseudo-situations, but here in the real world, how many computers have ever be rooted using the help of starforce? none.
Im pretty sure its in the license that you agree to install starforce, if you dont like that then dont install. Its not exactly covert.
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