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| Posted: Mon, 8th Jan 2018 22:52 Post subject: |
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Excellent, this is why I like AMD. 
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Jan 2018 23:18 Post subject: |
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Even Zen 2 will work on current X370 mobos, which is fucking nice. This is just node shrink, Intel would have changed socket tho.
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Nui
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2018 22:56 Post subject: |
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Maybe it's because I only have a gtx970 but my 1700x @3.8Ghz doesn't feel like it's an issue in games.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2018 23:08 Post subject: |
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Should I still keep my eye on ryzen 1600 and b350 for upgrade this year? Memory is still very expensive but I;ve seen a lot of benchmarks claiming there is no reason buying 3200mhz while 2133 is just the same.
Or is amd planning ryzen refresh this year?
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Jan 2018 00:21 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Feb 2018 19:36 Post subject: |
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Ryzen 3 2200G/ Ryzen 5 2400G review: triple-A gaming without a graphics card?
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AMD Ryzen 3 2200G/ Ryzen 5 2400G: the Digital Foundry verdict
While the Ryzen 3 2200G doesn't have the CPU horsepower to best Intel's more expensive Core i3 8100 in gaming with a discrete GPU, it does have an integrated graphics solution that can actually play modern triple-A titles - and in this area, Intel simply cannot compete. Yes, with APU-based gaming, you need to tweak settings significantly and accept sub-1080p resolutions in many cases, but the results stand up and can look impressive. As an all-in-one entry level PC gaming solution, there's nothing available out there at this price-point that's capable of delivering the quality of those results. It's a lovely package overall.
Paired with a separate graphics card, the 2200G holds up fairly well, but really, the Core i3 8100 is only a little more expensive, and can be run with much cheaper memory, cancelling out the 2200G's price advantage. However, the fact that Intel still hasn't been able to launch a budget board for its locked Coffee Lake processors gives AMD an undoubted edge at the time of writing, as does its policy of allowing overclocking - something Intel does not allow on parts like the 8100. We found that boosting GPU frequencies alone on the 2200G went a long way in improving performance and making more challenging titles viable.
The Ryzen 5 2400G is a more complex, less appealing proposition. The impact of its additional GPU power varies somewhat from title to title, and the faster CPU component does little to improve its ability to play games when paired with its integrated graphics solution (it's a different story with a dedicated card, however). While the 2400G undoubtedly delivers a substantial boost in productivity tasks, in the here and now, it looks somewhat overpriced, especially if gaming is the focus. In an ideal world, the Ryzen 5 2400G would drop to £130/$150 and we'd see a new 2300G with SMT and Vega 8 graphics at £115/$130. The Ryzen 3 2200G can stay where it is: the pricing is excellent and the product is AMD at its best - it's a real winner. |
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-ryzen-3-2200-g-ryzen-5-2400g-review
Wanted to get a 2400G for my homeserver.
But seems an OCed 2200G is more than enough.
Enthoo Evolv ATX TG // Asus Prime x370 // Ryzen 1700 // Gainward GTX 1080 // 16GB DDR4-3200
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| Posted: Wed, 18th Apr 2018 01:00 Post subject: |
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So overclocks the same as previous Ryzens in extreme situations, nothing new to see here, seems to little better overclocker with normal cooling tho (100-300mhz better compared to 1700X and 1800X). Ryzen has been amazing product, can´t wait what Zen 2 brings, HEDT gonna be monster, been loving my 1950X, such a beast in video editing and everything else what i do.
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| Posted: Thu, 17th May 2018 22:51 Post subject: |
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Ryzen gains considerable performance with increased memory bandwidth. Either higher RAM frequencies or lower RAM timings help a lot.
With Ryzen 2000 and current DDR4 sticks, you can either get a 2x8GB (single bank) kit with high clocks or a 2x16GB (double bank) kit with low clocks.
What about timings? Can double bank sticks be tuned as good as single bank ones?
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Nov 2020 21:53 Post subject: |
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Here is what I've found about series 5000 operation
Latest bios - Updated AMD AGESA ComboAm4v2PI 1.1.0.0 Patch C
BIOS settings:
when enabling XMP there are 2 options
1 is using more MB settings, 2 is using mainly RAM settings (clocks)
2 is faster, but may be more unstable
I am currently using 2 with around 8% more speed than 1
When enabling XMP your Infinity Fabric will rise, and above 1600 you need to check for WHEA errors
on MSI x570 I have 5950x using the following settings:
Global C-state Control = Disabled
Power Supply Idle Control = Typical
LN2 1 = Disabled
LN2 2 = Disabled
RAM = 3600
FCLK = 1800
UCLK DIV1 MODE = [UCLK == MEMCLK]
(famous 1:1:1 ratio)
Memory Fast Boot = Disabled
NB/SoC = 1.1V
VDDG CCD= 0.950V
VDDG IOD = 0.950V
CHIPSET CLD0 = 1.05V (or -0.05 from SoC)
RAM Skill F4-3600C15D-16GTZ:
Voltage 1.4V
CL = 14
Power Down Enable = Disabled
DRAM Latency Enhance = Disabled
Bank Group Swap = Disabled
Using all RAM sockets = better performance
I did NOT manage to get the IF run above 1800 even at the OC standard:
VDDG CCD = 1.0
VDDG IOD = 1.15
Will try with faster ram
Enabling SVM (Virtualization) lowers your FSB by ~1MHz
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
Last edited by StrEagle on Wed, 11th Nov 2020 12:45; edited 2 times in total
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Nov 2020 22:01 Post subject: |
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| Amadeus wrote: | | Silent_Lurker wrote: | | Amadeus wrote: |
Hell yea! Asus for lyfe
At least the Asus boards boot even with 4000 mhz memory
But, we got the whea errors too |
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guys, the memory restrictions for 3000 series carry over to the 5000 series
the memory controller is EXACTLY the same
Infinity Fabric should run at the RAM frequency
stable Ram is 3200, then Infinity Fabric runs at 1600 and Memory Controller runs at 1600
fastest Ram is 3600, then IF runs at 1800 and MC runs at 1800
OC Ram is 3800, then IF runs at 1900 and MC runs at 1900 (need to OC SoC and other stuff to make possible)
if your ram runs at > 3600 without OC of IF, the Memory Controller starts running at 1/2 of the Frequency of the Infinity Fabric and you get slower performance than Ram running at 3600, unless you got some really fancy ram >= 4200 and CL16
sause: https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3508-ryzen-3000-memory-benchmark-best-ram-fclk-uclock-mclock
for best + easiest performance get 3600MHz and lowest CL you can afford (make sure it's an even number CL)
Also XMP doesn't just change the first 4 numbers of the ram 16-16-16-36, after those there are about 20+ more clocks which can be set individually in the BIOS..
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Tue, 10th Nov 2020 22:36 Post subject: |
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| StrEagle wrote: |
guys, the memory restrictions for 3000 series carry over to the 5000 series
the memory controller is EXACTLY the same
Infinity Fabric should run at the RAM frequency
stable Ram is 3200, then Infinity Fabric runs at 1600 and Memory Controller runs at 1600
fastest Ram is 3600, then IF runs at 1800 and MC runs at 1800
OC Ram is 3800, then IF runs at 1900 and MC runs at 1900 (need to OC SoC and other stuff to make possible)
if your ram runs at > 3600 without OC of IF, the Memory Controller starts running at 1/2 of the Frequency of the Infinity Fabric and you get slower performance than Ram running at 3600, unless you got some really fancy ram >= 4200 and CL16
sause: https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3508-ryzen-3000-memory-benchmark-best-ram-fclk-uclock-mclock
for best + easiest performance get 3600MHz and lowest CL you can afford (make sure it's an even number CL)
Also XMP doesn't just change the first 4 numbers of the ram 16-16-16-36, after those there are about 20+ more clocks which can be set individually in the BIOS.. |
What's with the drive-by
AMD said themselves FCLK 1900 is the new 1800 and some will be able to do FCLK 2000 on Zen 3.
But that's not the issue everyone is having right now. People get WHEA errors as soon as they go above FCLK 1600.
Not something that carried over from Zen 2 but an Agesa issue.
And MSI people can't even do more than FCLK 1600 or memory at 3200mhz because the system won't boot.
I know thinking that we were lacking this obvious knowledge afforded you the opportunity to let us know just how very smart you are but I'm afraid you were missing the point.
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spajdr
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 10:34 Post subject: |
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| Amadeus wrote: | *snip*
What's with the drive-by
AMD said themselves FCLK 1900 is the new 1800 and some will be able to do FCLK 2000 on Zen 3.
But that's not the issue everyone is having right now. People get WHEA errors as soon as they go above FCLK 1600.
Not something that carried over from Zen 2 but an Agesa issue.
And MSI people can't even do more than FCLK 1600 or memory at 3200mhz because the system won't boot.
I know thinking that we were lacking this obvious knowledge afforded you the opportunity to let us know just how very smart you are but I'm afraid you were missing the point. |
The 1900 was old news. There were speculations about 2000 being the new 1900, which turned out not true. 3000 series were doing 1900 with voltage oc.
I know I don't know much, but apparently MSI boots and even runs fine enough stock with just XMP on 3600.
although still getting WHEA errors, there are no BSOD
been running like this since 5-th
even got it better this week with ram oc
and sorry for trying to share stable bios settings I found out the hard way over the past week
I get BSOD when I get above 1800 even with OC voltages, waiting on a new ram to try it out next week
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 14:43 Post subject: ***** |
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*****
Last edited by Areius on Fri, 19th Sep 2025 16:26; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 16:41 Post subject: ***** |
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*****
Last edited by Areius on Fri, 19th Sep 2025 16:26; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 17:35 Post subject: |
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| Areius wrote: | | 2000 stability will come in future AGESA, but won't work for all CPUs. |
This will be very interesting if true.
As reviewers noted that the memory controller and stuff in the 5000 CPUs, related to the RAM, are directly re-used from the ones already working on 3000 series, i.e. the same.
So if they make IF 2000 possible, it theoretically will be across both series 3000 & 5000.
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 18:00 Post subject: |
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Just because the memory controller is the same doesn't mean the average FCLK people can reach hasn't changed.
Cause it has. The Agesa update is just supposed to make reaching 1900 and 2000 even easier.
Already 2000 is more common than it ever was. I mean how many people did 2000 IF on Zen 2?
0.01% of all Zen 2 owners? Or none?
Now it seems to be around the same percentage as people reaching 1900 on Zen 2
Which probably means some extremely lucky people will be doing 2100
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Nov 2020 15:54 Post subject: |
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new BETA BIOS
- Support AMD ASM(SMART ACCESS MEMORY) function
whatever that is
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Nov 2020 16:15 Post subject: |
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| StrEagle wrote: | new BETA BIOS
- Support AMD ASM(SMART ACCESS MEMORY) function
whatever that is |
To use it you'll need a Ryzen 5000 series cpu and one of the new Radeon 6xxx cards that will be released next week.
With it turned on the cpu has better access to the graphics card memory (or something like that). It will boost the graphics card performance a few procent (4-5).
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Nov 2020 12:46 Post subject: |
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B550 unless you really think you need two PCIE 4.0 nvme's
3600 memory. 3800 seems to be the new sweet spot but it's marginal (maybe get a micron-e die kit that's rated for 3600, you can probably pull it up to 3800 if you ever feel like you need that extra percentage or two)
Quad arrangement if you go for 16gb, dual if you go for 32gb (since 16gb sticks tend to be dual rank, and it's all about ranks)
Though it should be mentioned that quad arrangements are more difficult to OC, or worse still, sometimes don't reliably run their XMP, esp on Ryzen. Though you will have more success if it's an actual 4 stick kit rather than buying two separate 8gb kits.
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