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mug2k
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | mug2k wrote: | | Are these 4K releases close to the actual bluray quality? |
Do you not see the "REMUX" moniker? It means they are ripped directly from the source files and are 100% the quality of the source. |
Sorry I didn't notice they were all remux releases. Those ones would take me ages to download so I was talking about the non-remux ones. I'm guessing the quality difference could be a similar drop like 1080p bluray releases are to 1080p WEB-DL's?
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2018 23:48 Post subject: |
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I'd say more like full 1080p Bluray vs a 1080p bluray reencode releases. In other words, pretty good to indistinguishable.
Just make sure you get the correct releases, not the rips that are using a separate capture hardware. Those are obvious in their quality degradation.
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mug2k
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| Posted: Mon, 19th Mar 2018 00:24 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | I'd say more like full 1080p Bluray vs a 1080p bluray reencode releases. In other words, pretty good to indistinguishable.
Just make sure you get the correct releases, not the rips that are using a separate capture hardware. Those are obvious in their quality degradation. |
ok cool, any particular groups I should stick with?
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2018 11:22 Post subject: |
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I really don't know. I download exclusively REMUX releases these days. The usual "don't get scene releases" still stands, so anything from HDBITS (the torrent site with many quality internal groups) will be good.
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2018 00:58 Post subject: |
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Nearly none of the releases here mention HDR. Also I find that most 2160p releases online don't have HDR in the title or filename, e.g.:
Kingsman.The.Golden.Circle.2017.UHD.BluRay.2160p.TrueHD.Atmos.7.1.HEVC.REMUX-FraMeSToR.mkv
Three.Billboards.Outside.Ebbing.Missouri.2017.2160p.UHD.BluRay.X265-IAMABLE
The.Shape.of.Water.2017.2160p.UHD.BluRay.X265-IAMABLE
Is this because all UHD / x265 releases include HDR? Or am I missing somethiing?
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2018 02:14 Post subject: |
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I believe UHD blu ray discs by default have HDR. You can tell when you look at the details of the video and it states "BT.2020"
If the HDR was removed then I believe the video is tagged "SDR".
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Stige
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2018 14:04 Post subject: |
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Ok thanks guys.
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Mar 2018 17:51 Post subject: |
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So, with all of the mega loads of 2160p releases recently, does this mean UHD has been cracked?
Should I update my Radarr wanted list and move everything from 1080p to 2160p? Or is it unlikely we'll see UHD's drop at the same time as Bluray/web-rips?
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Stige
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Mar 2018 18:52 Post subject: |
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| Horrordee wrote: | So, with all of the mega loads of 2160p releases recently, does this mean UHD has been cracked?
Should I update my Radarr wanted list and move everything from 1080p to 2160p? Or is it unlikely we'll see UHD's drop at the same time as Bluray/web-rips? |
I think UHD blurays are still released after regular Blurays? Atleast you see 1080p release like a month earlier than you do 2160p.
But yes, UHD was cracked a while back so they are probably released the moment the Bluray itself is available.
I have skipped a lot of movies in cinema recently just so I can watch them on my TV, much better experience than in cinema with HDR and all that.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Mar 2018 19:00 Post subject: |
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| Horrordee wrote: | | So, with all of the mega loads of 2160p releases recently, does this mean UHD has been cracked? |
I'm no expert on this but this is my understanding. It has not been cracked, but rather the protection can be bypassed with specific model blu-ray drives. Something about the firmware in some of the drives that have been sold within the last year allowed the keys to be read off the disc.
Once the keys to the discs are known and disseminated, they can be loaded into software (such as MakeMKV) that opens the door to ripping the disc. Also keep in mind that there are different regions that Blu-ray discs are released in, so when a key leaks for a Region A disc of a movie the Region B disc is still locked.
A true crack would mean that any drive that can read a UHD Blu-ray would be able to make the copies, but since it is a hardware specific situation, the only way is to have one of these drives and a specific firmware loaded on the drive that accidentally allowed the bypass. Something as simple as a firmware update to the drive has the potential to close the door and we would be back to where things were a year ago.
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Mar 2018 20:45 Post subject: |
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Ok thanks guys.
I am surprised they can get a 2 hour film in 4k w/ HDR into at 16-18gb file size!
Is that due to the magic of x265 do you think?
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Stige
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Mar 2018 01:07 Post subject: |
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| Horrordee wrote: | Ok thanks guys.
I am surprised they can get a 2 hour film in 4k w/ HDR into at 16-18gb file size!
Is that due to the magic of x265 do you think? |
I don't download anything but the disc images or the remux (container change) and they are much larger than ~15GB. As Stige showed, we are talking like 40 - 80 GB. If you see "x265" in the title of the release, it means that was re-encoded to a lower bitrate probably.
h.265 (UHD disc) does have better compression than h264 (regular blu-ray disc) though.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Mar 2018 01:32 Post subject: |
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I wouldn't download reencodes yet. x265 is still in heavy development. Also, at the time when x264 were starting to look good, there were features being used that were outside of the BR/HDDVD spec that allowed for higher compression ratios. This is not the case with UHD BR (as far as I remember), so it's really just lower bitrate.
If you are a collector, why collect anything than the best source available, and if you watch and dump, why do you care downloading a little more for the best possible quality?
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Mar 2018 09:58 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | I wouldn't download reencodes yet. x265 is still in heavy development. Also, at the time when x264 were starting to look good, there were features being used that were outside of the BR/HDDVD spec that allowed for higher compression ratios. This is not the case with UHD BR (as far as I remember), so it's really just lower bitrate.
If you are a collector, why collect anything than the best source available, and if you watch and dump, why do you care downloading a little more for the best possible quality? |
Well the issue is I am not so much collecting for collectings sake, but to watch. And my network connection won't stream something bigger than about 40gb as it just buffers. And my media centre PC isn't powerful enough to play them either. So it's catch 22...
Indeed it's the x265 releases I have been getting... stuff like:
The.Shape.of.Water.2017.2160p.UHD.BluRay.X265-IAMABLE (17.28gb)
Three.Billboards.Outside.Ebbing.Missouri.2017.2160p.UHD.BluRay.X265-IAMABLE (14.35gb)
Jumanji.Welcome.To.The.Jungle.2017.2160p.UHD.BluRay.x265-EMERALD (15.33gb)
So long as these things are 4k and include HDR then I think they're OK for me. I appreciate the bit rate can't be as good as the original UHD remux, but then if I cannot play that then what's the point 
And for what it's worth, I did download one to try:
Jumanji.Welcome.to.the.Jungle.2017.2160p.UHD.BLURAY.REMUX.HDR.HEVC.MULTI.DTS-HDMA-EXTREME (45.56gb)
But my network can't keep up (streaming from NAS -> Gigabit switch -> Sony Android TV x900e). I suspect the TV ethernet port is only 10/100...
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Stige
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Mar 2018 12:49 Post subject: |
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| Horrordee wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | I wouldn't download reencodes yet. x265 is still in heavy development. Also, at the time when x264 were starting to look good, there were features being used that were outside of the BR/HDDVD spec that allowed for higher compression ratios. This is not the case with UHD BR (as far as I remember), so it's really just lower bitrate.
If you are a collector, why collect anything than the best source available, and if you watch and dump, why do you care downloading a little more for the best possible quality? |
Well the issue is I am not so much collecting for collectings sake, but to watch. And my network connection won't stream something bigger than about 40gb as it just buffers. And my media centre PC isn't powerful enough to play them either. So it's catch 22...
Indeed it's the x265 releases I have been getting... stuff like:
The.Shape.of.Water.2017.2160p.UHD.BluRay.X265-IAMABLE (17.28gb)
Three.Billboards.Outside.Ebbing.Missouri.2017.2160p.UHD.BluRay.X265-IAMABLE (14.35gb)
Jumanji.Welcome.To.The.Jungle.2017.2160p.UHD.BluRay.x265-EMERALD (15.33gb)
So long as these things are 4k and include HDR then I think they're OK for me. I appreciate the bit rate can't be as good as the original UHD remux, but then if I cannot play that then what's the point
And for what it's worth, I did download one to try:
Jumanji.Welcome.to.the.Jungle.2017.2160p.UHD.BLURAY.REMUX.HDR.HEVC.MULTI.DTS-HDMA-EXTREME (45.56gb)
But my network can't keep up (streaming from NAS -> Gigabit switch -> Sony Android TV x900e). I suspect the TV ethernet port is only 10/100... |
It is software limitation in 99% of the cases, from my own experience atleast. If your NAS uses SMB1 then there is no hope really I think but SMB2 seems to actually work.
I had a lot of troubles streaming to my TV but using the built in windows media streaming, I can play any file over network on my TV now.
And I got a wifi in between there too that connects to a gigabit switch and that connects to my TV and the TV is only 100Mbps like you said.
I got a Zyxel WAP5805 that is basically two boxes, one in my living room and one next to my PC and they are connected with a 5GHz WIFI. It does limit my download speed to like 200Mbps from the 300Mbps connection I have but I would need like 30m of cable to replace that so...
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Mar 2018 14:21 Post subject: |
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| Horrordee wrote: | Jumanji.Welcome.to.the.Jungle.2017.2160p.UHD.BLURAY.REMUX.HDR.HEVC.MULTI.DTS-HDMA-EXTREME (45.56gb)
But my network can't keep up (streaming from NAS -> Gigabit switch -> Sony Android TV x900e). I suspect the TV ethernet port is only 10/100... |
Do you have a USB thumb drive you can copy that file onto and then plug into the tv? That is what I do some times to test files to see if they can play and trigger HDR mode on the tv.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Mar 2018 16:38 Post subject: |
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Same here as above. External HDD stuttered as well. PowerDVD only option. Keep in mind to set PC to hdmi/console etc to have access to smart led / color auto ( not native for HDR) etc.
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Apr 2018 04:25 Post subject: |
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| russ80 wrote: | | Same here as above. External HDD stuttered as well. PowerDVD only option. Keep in mind to set PC to hdmi/console etc to have access to smart led / color auto ( not native for HDR) etc. |
Where / how do you set that ?
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2018 17:45 Post subject: |
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| CaptnNemo wrote: | | russ80 wrote: | | Same here as above. External HDD stuttered as well. PowerDVD only option. Keep in mind to set PC to hdmi/console etc to have access to smart led / color auto ( not native for HDR) etc. |
Where / how do you set that ?
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Yes i'd like to know as well. I cant get powerdvd to play UDH content in HDR. Unless i enable HDR in Windows 10, but that gives a terrible gray'ish look.
Fortunately DLNA and TV works, but would be nice with an alternative, as i've experienced issues playing a few movies this way.
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| Posted: Thu, 5th Apr 2018 18:34 Post subject: |
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Personally, I don't activate HDR 10 in windows. I run my HDMI cable from my video card to my amplifier.
Then after this, I open up PowerDVD in TV mode so it opens up on my TV.
I just load up a movie in HDR and it activates fine. No need to have the HDR windows 10 option activated, but that's just me. Maybe my amp has something to do with this. Only 1 HDMI from amp to TV via ARC.
Same goes for games. If I activate HDR 10 in windows then my desktop on my TV becomes HDR10 by default and I find that the colors are not right if I play anything with HDR content.
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| Posted: Wed, 16th May 2018 11:54 Post subject: |
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| IamAWESOME wrote: | So many movies are missing. :(
Any good site to check all available 4K releases? I'm looking for John Wick: Chapter 2 but not able to find it anywhere. It's been almost a year and still no release. |
The full disc / remux of that movie was released back in Oct 2017. I like to use rarbg for doing searches of releases and then looking elsewhere to download it. I'll use the torrent on that site as a last resort if I can't find it elsewhere.
This guy on Reddit also tries to keep an updated list.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/877y41/4k_2160p_remux_list_i_have_been_updating_this/
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Stige
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| Posted: Wed, 16th May 2018 22:21 Post subject: |
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I don't remember off the top of my head if any of those sites that Stige listed are invite only. If so, you will have to look into what the requirements are. I can say even the torrents on rarbg that look dead (not a lot of seeders or leachers) I've still managed to download some by just letting it run overnight. Just remember to use VPN. Sometimes the person who has 100% of the file you are looking for just isn't online when you start torrenting and they show up later.
If you use usenet for stuff, you can also do searches for these as well. Certain usenet searches are better than others for these.
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Stige
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| Posted: Thu, 17th May 2018 14:08 Post subject: |
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| FDM80 wrote: | I don't remember off the top of my head if any of those sites that Stige listed are invite only. If so, you will have to look into what the requirements are. I can say even the torrents on rarbg that look dead (not a lot of seeders or leachers) I've still managed to download some by just letting it run overnight. Just remember to use VPN. Sometimes the person who has 100% of the file you are looking for just isn't online when you start torrenting and they show up later.
If you use usenet for stuff, you can also do searches for these as well. Certain usenet searches are better than others for these. |
They are all invite only. I got few invites on both TL and IPT.
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