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PostPosted: Thu, 14th Apr 2022 18:12    Post subject:
escalibur wrote:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/23.html


Dat gaming performance power consumption ratio.


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PostPosted: Fri, 15th Apr 2022 16:20    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2022 07:52    Post subject:
Dang. Time to buy a new CPU cooler. My Corsair H100i is 10 years old and after I switched out my lowly i5-8400 to the i7-8700K the temps are just crazy. I'm not even overclocking it, I've locked the vcore to 1.2v (if set on Auto in BIOS it will be higher) etc. and the CPU have no problems reaching 85-90 degrees in ~5 seconds of work which makes me stop whatever process that is blasting the CPU. First I'll try to switch the fans. I've currently got two Noctua P12's which have a static speed of a mere 1150 rpms (can't increase speed) which I guess worked well for ancient CPU's like the 2500K/3570K and the 8400. Not this one though.

I've checked, reapplied TIM (MX-5) multiple times, tweaked the mounting screws while checking the temps etc. but I can't really tell if it's the water system itself; (fluid gone bad, pump issues or a clogged radiator) or if I just need better and more powerful fans that can push enough air through the radiator.

Meh...


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PostPosted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2022 13:24    Post subject:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/23.html

thats so horrible to see intel dominating the best bang for ur buck dominating the whole bottem budget range ... like wtf amd, u totally fucked urselves with not offering a new 100 usd am4 variant
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PostPosted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2022 14:01    Post subject:
PickupArtist wrote:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/23.html

thats so horrible to see intel dominating the best bang for ur buck dominating the whole bottem budget range ... like wtf amd, u totally fucked urselves with not offering a new 100 usd am4 variant


Who could have thought? I hate both companies btw Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2022 14:28    Post subject:
i dont want any of this e p pee pee core balony from intel that barely any software supports still and never will Sad just give me my 5-6 gighrz sixcore for gaming ffs
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PostPosted: Sat, 23rd Apr 2022 19:19    Post subject:
8 core / 16 threads is perfect gaming cpu.
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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd May 2022 19:50    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
Dang. Time to buy a new CPU cooler. My Corsair H100i is 10 years old and after I switched out my lowly i5-8400 to the i7-8700K the temps are just crazy blablabla...............


After googling and messing about a bit I noticed that the "prongs" on the backplate should be angled backwards more than they were. This new motherboard is slightly thinner than the old one and the mounting screws that went into the backplate-prongs through the motherboard didn't put tension on the backplate (which was actually loose even when the mounting screws were set).

Some careful bending of each prong, adding a soft (and compressible) to each mounting screw sorted out the issue.

A synthetic stress test maxed out all 12 threads and the core-temp maxed out at 81 degrees. Obviously not the most optimal temps but It's still a far cry from the 90-95 degrees I got before (and I stopped the stress test to avoid a thermal shutdown or thermal damage).

I need better radiator fans. I switched out the slow RPM-locked Noctua NF-P12's for my two front case fans which aren't made for CPU cooling (old Gentle Typhoon). Or I may look at an aircooler instead since there are several out there that does a better job than ordinary AIO's like mine.


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PostPosted: Wed, 4th May 2022 11:17    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
Frant wrote:
Dang. Time to buy a new CPU cooler. My Corsair H100i is 10 years old and after I switched out my lowly i5-8400 to the i7-8700K the temps are just crazy blablabla...............


After googling and messing about a bit I noticed that the "prongs" on the backplate should be angled backwards more than they were. This new motherboard is slightly thinner than the old one and the mounting screws that went into the backplate-prongs through the motherboard didn't put tension on the backplate (which was actually loose even when the mounting screws were set).

Some careful bending of each prong, adding a soft (and compressible) to each mounting screw sorted out the issue.

A synthetic stress test maxed out all 12 threads and the core-temp maxed out at 81 degrees. Obviously not the most optimal temps but It's still a far cry from the 90-95 degrees I got before (and I stopped the stress test to avoid a thermal shutdown or thermal damage).

I need better radiator fans. I switched out the slow RPM-locked Noctua NF-P12's for my two front case fans which aren't made for CPU cooling (old Gentle Typhoon). Or I may look at an aircooler instead since there are several out there that does a better job than ordinary AIO's like mine.


Arctic P12, best fans you can get for the money, they are almost like very expensive Noctua NF-A12
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th May 2022 19:00    Post subject:
I'll definitely check them out. The good Noctua fans are really expensive, I can get three Arctic P12's for the price of a single NF-A12. :/


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PostPosted: Wed, 4th May 2022 19:19    Post subject:
i doubt it's just the fans. the cooler is 10 years old, just get a new one. not because it's broken or so, because it's not compatible. not only the backplate which you "fixed", but also because of a larger DIE or heatspreader, which just doesn't match your cooler, even tho it looks fine. maybe the pump is not strong enough to push enough water for this kind of cpu or whatever.
just because a cooler was good back then, doesn't mean it's good now, or are there still people rocking their good old zalman coolers on newer cpus?

don't waste your time and money, just buy a good new cooler.
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th May 2022 19:25    Post subject:
I've been eyeing the EK-AIO Basic 120 (basic = without all that RGB bullshit). It's cheaper than most other competitors in the same class and has good performance.

I've been looking at air coolers as well but my RAM sticks are too close to the CPU socket for optimal cooling:

(my ancient Noctua blabla-12 something)


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PostPosted: Wed, 4th May 2022 19:38    Post subject:
i wouldn't buy another AIO, in my opinion you got pretty lucky with those 10 years. normaly they die much faster, also they cost more and don't offer anything but better looks.

it won't make much difference if you have to put up the fan a little bit because of ram.
but it's your choice. just don't waste anymore time or money on your old cooler and get something new
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th May 2022 21:16    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
I've been eyeing the EK-AIO Basic 120 (basic = without all that RGB bullshit). It's cheaper than most other competitors in the same class and has good performance.


I've got the EK-AIO Basic 240 for more than a year now and it's quite good and quiet thus far. So that's a thumbs up from me.

Had a pretty good air cooler before, a Be Quiet Dark Rock 4, but went with an AIO cooler because of the space it freed up around the mobo. Was always terrified of damaging it when I tried releasing the tab on the GPU PCIE slot.
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 02:31    Post subject:
Breezer_ wrote:
8 core / 16 threads is perfect gaming cpu.
I don't know why but I just ordered a ryzen 5600x. And I had plenty of money, could have gotten even the 5800x3d. Yet i bought a 5600x. Wtf was I thinking ? I know what. Fucking CHEAPSKATE


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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 10:41    Post subject:
how much u payed, and what mobo/price ?

which memory?

I think my next "upgrade" will be like the cheapest am4 board that has 4-5 series support that i can find and a 1600-2600x second hand or something and then in a few years, a second hand 5600, i want to stay near 100 eur (40mobo -60 cpu )

currently on a i7 3770k still and only upgrading if its a good second hand deal

recently bought a 25 euro 4 heatpipe skyscraper air cooler , works better then my super expensive noctua similar design and very silent at 700rpm 30% , but i guess thats cause the newer i7s use less power n have less heat then the older ones (i7 920).

a massive recession is coming, pawn shop owners are already seeying it and talking about it. so prices will come tumbling soon hopefully for some good bargains to be had, and this current hardware , can last a decade or more unless microsoft are real dicks.
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 20:36    Post subject:
Got the 5600x + ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS + 3060ti for a total of 1000 euros. I just didn't want to spend more. Hopefully my old kit 4x4gb ram @2133mhz will work Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 20:48    Post subject:
dude ... u cant spend 45 euro for 16 gigs of 3200 mhz ? Very Happy ram speed n timings can make a big impact in ryzen
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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 21:37    Post subject:
Thats 80 euros, not 45. And no, I won't Smile)

Edit: hmm.. I'm thinking about it Smile)

Edit: fine, i'm buying them as we speak Sad


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PostPosted: Sat, 14th May 2022 22:39    Post subject:
https://www.mydealz.de/gruppe/ddr4-ram

some good stuff for 50-60 eur out there

and update ur sig lol, did u sell all that stuff ??
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PostPosted: Sun, 15th May 2022 12:31    Post subject:
Going to give my old stuff to my uncle. And update my sig on tuesday after I actually build it Smile


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PostPosted: Sun, 29th May 2022 20:43    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Mon, 30th May 2022 04:25    Post subject:
I'll just put my sig in text here (and thus it's no sig, just my current system) for no particular reason:

Corsair H100i | Intel i7-8700K | MSI Z390-A PRO | 16GB Kingston Predator 3200mhz | Geforce 1060 O/C 6GB | Samsung 980 NVMe, Samsung 840 EVO + HDD's | M-AUDIO M-TRACK 2x2M | Corsair RM 750 | Panasonic 47" LED + various older LCD's


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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Jun 2022 18:34    Post subject:
Got my 5800X3D that replaces my 3600XT and did some Tests with savegames of my own.

This is on 3440x1440 max settings. Granted, Elex 2 and KC:D are badly optimized games and perfect for this CPU. But I did not think I'd have this much of a difference.




And btw. this is still on my first AM4 board, the Gigabyte X370 Gaming K7, which I got for the 1700X way back. Laughing


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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Jun 2022 10:27    Post subject:
You didn't consider getting the 5800X instead? It's faster and half the price (well, at least as far as MSRP goes).


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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Jun 2022 13:50    Post subject:
Frant wrote:
You didn't consider getting the 5800X instead? It's faster and half the price (well, at least as far as MSRP goes).
It's not faster in gaming scenarios, if I recall correctly.


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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Jun 2022 08:52    Post subject:
Indeed. Due to its large cache, the 5800X3D is faster than the 5800X in a lot of games. But when applications can’t make use of the cache, the 5800X can be slightly faster due to having a few more mhz. I know this thing is overpriced but its going to be here for at least 3 more years. And I get to keep the rest of my old system for just as long.


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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Jun 2022 11:42    Post subject:
hopefully the 5800x3d has a decent pricetag when gpus are back to normal prices. want to upgrade my system, but only changing my 3700x and not the 2070super isnt helpful for me

imho a great way to make my am4 platform last another few years
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Jun 2022 16:30    Post subject:


looks like cache is king for gaming?
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