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Nodrim




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PostPosted: Fri, 26th Jan 2018 13:25    Post subject:
StEFaN7 wrote:
do you even play the game? they improved it so much and added so many things and even more in the future and with so high demand from the game of course they can increase the price, and people still buy it like crazy


They added things that should have been in the game from the beginning. Need I remind you this is a multiplayer-only game that launched with a price tag of 60$ yet it didn't have a proper anti-cheating system and had plenty of elements on the client side?
Ubisoft has made a habit of releasing online only games without taking any risks. They keep improving on these games with features and mechanics that should be there from the get-go, then somehow players come and defend them for that!

StEFaN7 wrote:

whats better, buying multiplayer games like the two battlefront games, overwatch, bf1, titanfall 2 with a total value for all of them at lets say 150e with a total of 300h of gameplay before you get bored, or buy siege for 15e and get easly over 500h of gameplay and still having fun, they also give you an option to buy a cheaper version in case you wont like the game so how is that forcing cosmetics on you?


The time spent playing isn't really a measurement of a game's quality but rather of ones enjoyment. While you have spent 500h in Siege, other players have done the same with different games, some mentioned by you here. You are taking your experience and use it as generalized standard.
The option to buy the game cheaper was introduced to revitalized Siege when it was in a rather rough spot. It's not coming out of the kindness of their hearts.

StEFaN7 wrote:
i dont give two fucks about anything, as long as there are no gameplay mechanics locked behind real money i dont care but you are making it sound worse than it actually is


So you'll rather ignore shitty practices because you are not affected by them? How about you or any other gamers who act like this, try to think about the long term consequences of your actions...

StEFaN7 wrote:

the fact that they didnt abandoned the game to this day it justifies plenty when you look at other developers, if it was made by ea there would be siege 2 by now and the current state of the game would had been like it was on launch, with some season pass locked maps bullshit of course and not at all the playerbase it has now.


The fact that Ubisoft didn't abandon the game doesn't justify anything. It stands as proof that the game is making enough money for them to keep investing in it.
You are singling out a publisher to strengthen your "argument". There are plenty of publishers/developers which we could use as example that contradicts what your are saying here.

StEFaN7 wrote:

the 15e standard version is not a scam, the scam are the other editions. the game has a big learning curve, you cant play and learn all operators at once so there is no point on having them all unlocked. by the time you play and learn an operator you will have plenty of renew for the next operator to unlock.


Considering the fact that in the original version of the game you can unlock all the operators much faster, it seems like the developers disagree with you on this one. There is always the other argument: operators are unique in a team composition so the lower your operator's pool the worse. Then you should consider operator's efficiency based on the situation at hand which makes choices even more necessary.
The 15e edition is not a gift. It looks more like an enticing scheme to make players reach for the wallet to avoid going through an insufferable grind. Sure, it's something for those who can't afford to pay much, but like I said, don't think this is a gift from Ubisoft.

StEFaN7 wrote:

but these days people want all their shit unlocked for nothing, this is one of the reason many games out there are so boring


Gameplay is what should make a game captivating. If a game is boring, maybe it's not for your or its gameplay is just not good enough. Relying on unlocks to get players hooked is a cheap feature which pretty much abuses the psychology of the human brain.
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PostPosted: Fri, 26th Jan 2018 14:10    Post subject:
many developers release unfinished games with 60 $ price tag but not many improve it and then some after that so you have to give credit where its due

you cant really say people spent over 500h in any of the games i mentioned, maybe overwatch comes close but that is very far reaching

as long as shity practices dosent affect my gameplay i dont really care, right now you can buy almost everything with the in game currency and after the changes they announced yesterday they will probably make outbreak purchasable with in game too. why nobody says anything about valve? everyone just wants to copy them

game is making money because ubisoft didnt abandon it in the first place, it wasnt making any money at first so if it was EA then it would have been abandoned in the first months

its not grind if youre having fun, youre having fun and make some renew along the way, what is the problem? its basicaly playing the game, youre not playing the game to unlock operators, youre playing the game because you like it and unlock operators along the way

almost all of the operators can be played whenever, its only situational when you play high ranked which you should not do until you have like 100h in and know the game, which is enough if you buy the starter edition. if you buy the more expensive version with all the operators youll learn nothing and play ranked with no knowledge and annoy the crap of every other player

nobody is relying on unlocks, you can basicaly play with only the private operators and still win easily and in some situations they are even overpowered because they move faster. this game is not only about gadgets.


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PostPosted: Fri, 26th Jan 2018 14:23    Post subject:
StEFaN7 wrote:
many developers release unfinished games with 60 $ price tag but not many improve it and then some after that so you have to give credit where its due


Hail Ubisoft for adding anti-cheating system to an online competitive game. What about that netcode? Rolling Eyes

StEFaN7 wrote:

you cant really say people spent over 500h in any of the games i mentioned, maybe overwatch comes close but that is very far reaching


You say this based on what?

StEFaN7 wrote:

game is making money because ubisoft didnt abandon it in the first place, it wasnt making any money at first so if it was EA then it would have been abandoned in the first months


They didn't abandon the game because:
1. They sold an AAA priced game that people bought and abandoning it would be extremely bad PR.
2. They sold a Season Pass from the beginning which meant a certain level of commitment.
Then the game started to catch one and they didn't have to abandon the ship anymore.

StEFaN7 wrote:

its not grind if youre having fun, youre having fun and make some renew along the way, what is the problem? its basicaly playing the game, youre not playing the game to unlock operators, youre playing the game because you like it and unlock operators along the way


The operators are essential to the game. This is not some sort of MOBA where you have a huge pool of free champions/heroes and you can choose from them. This is a game where certain operators play pivotal roles and you can't be competitive or even properly enjoy aspects of the game without having those operators.

StEFaN7 wrote:

almost all of the operators can be played whenever, its only situational when you play high ranked which you should not do until you have like 100h in and know the game, which is enough if you buy the starter edition. if you buy the more expensive version with all the operators youll learn nothing and play ranked with no knowledge and annoy the crap of every other player


It's not situational when you play high ranked matches (and how would you know anyway? Laughing). Certain operators are mandatory for a good composition and others are quite useful for certain objectives on specific maps.
You can buy the 15euro version and annoying the crap out of your teammates twice, once because you don't have enough experience and second because your operator's roster is incredibly limited.

StEFaN7 wrote:

nobody is relying on unlocks, you can basicaly play with only the private operators and still win easily and in some situations they are even overpowered because they move faster. this game is not only about gadgets.


That's quite some bullshit. Maybe you can win easily with private operators in copper-bronze league, but the team composition can make all the difference.
You are right, but this game is also about the gadgets.

According to you we should congratulate Ubisoft for returning to their business model that has 5-10 purchasable editions of a single fuckin' game.
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PostPosted: Fri, 26th Jan 2018 14:46    Post subject:
Siege is my MOST played online game in many years.And while it is a great idea it is mediocre implemented at its best .Raising its price no matter the reason its bullshit .The netcode is still shit ,the new operators from season 2 are...i guess you could call them copy and improve ,the only ones that are good additions are Mira and Dokkaebi. Another thing that hugely annoys me is the fact that they come up with all sorts of new maps and remove from ranked classic maps like Airplane,House,SAS training base just for the sake of giving the impression that the game is growing or the fact that season pass is important
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PostPosted: Fri, 26th Jan 2018 14:54    Post subject:
this is because morons buy the complete edition and play in ranked with no knowledge whatsoever then complain on the social media that the game is too hard so ubisoft listens to them, turning the game to even more casual shit nobody wanted

https://www.reddit.com/r/Rainbow6/comments/7t8shb/rainbow_six_teams_response_to_your_concerns_our/


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PostPosted: Sat, 27th Jan 2018 10:39    Post subject:
Ubisoft Cancels Plans to Increase Base Rainbow Six Siege Price
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Following the reveal of new pricing for Rainbow Six Siege yesterday, Ubisoft has issued an official statement on the Rainbow Six subreddit, the biggest reveal of which was that the Standard Edition of Siege would no longer be getting a price increase.

The statement primarily concerns itself with issues brought up by Siege's veteran players. "We have seen the frustration from our veteran players rise to the top of the discussion," Ubisoft said.

To help assuage their concerns, Ubisoft is also giving away the "upcoming Ash Sidewinder Elite skin for free" to veteran players who play before March 6.

On the price increase specifically, Ubisoft addressed new players and fans "concerned about introducing your friends to the game." As a result, they are leaving the pricing of the Standard Edition at $40 instead of the planned $60, saying "we will be keeping the Standard Edition in the store at the current price." There was no word on Siege's Gold or Complete Editions.

Ubisoft also addressed player concerns "over the Starter Edition when it comes to acquiring Operators," saying it has more to share "during the Six Invitational" beginning on February 13.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/01/27/ubisoft-addresses-rainbow-six-siege-pricing-concerns



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Ubilol look like such idiots now.


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PostPosted: Sat, 27th Jan 2018 10:49    Post subject:
Love them or hate them at least they are listening to some point. While at EA and Activision... Smile


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PostPosted: Sat, 27th Jan 2018 10:53    Post subject:
Oh yea, at first they want to rape peoples wallets, and now they """listen""" to the fans and are the good guys again.. Laughing


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PostPosted: Sat, 27th Jan 2018 10:54    Post subject:
escalibur wrote:
Love them or hate them at least they are listening to some point. While at EA and Activision... Smile


Exactly! They are listening I give them credit for that.
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PostPosted: Sat, 27th Jan 2018 11:09    Post subject:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
Oh yea, at first they want to rape peoples wallets, and now they """listen""" to the fans and are the good guys again.. Laughing


If they are listening, then yeah, they are doing something good.
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PostPosted: Sat, 27th Jan 2018 11:10    Post subject:
They only said they're keeping the standard edition pricing as-is though, they can still push up prices for the other editions and implement the lessened earnings in the starter edition which from the sounds of things that might still happen.

"We have further details to share, later."
(Well not a exact quote but once things settle a bit basically.)


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PostPosted: Sat, 27th Jan 2018 11:11    Post subject:
Are you people really such blind fanboys? Sad

Do you really think Ubilol wouldn't have expected such a big backlash to their price increase anouncement..?


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PostPosted: Sat, 27th Jan 2018 11:14    Post subject:
Bob Barnsen wrote:
Oh yea, at first they want to rape peoples wallets, and now they """listen""" to the fans and are the good guys again.. Laughing


They did changed their minds after the reaction of community. I'm not saying they are perfect or even good but this is still better than nothing.


Bob Barnsen wrote:
Are you people really such blind fanboys? Sad


Fanboys because we have an argument about this?


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PostPosted: Sun, 28th Jan 2018 18:53    Post subject:
ubisoft is shit but they lucked out with the team they have handling this game

probably the only ubi game worth playing these days


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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Jan 2018 16:41    Post subject:
Quote:
UPDATE 30/1/18: Ubisoft has responded to the fan outcry over recent Rainbow Six Siege announcements by offering players a free premium skin.

The Ash Sidewinder Elite skin will be unlocked for all players at the launch of Year 3 Season 1 - you just need to play an online match between now and 6th March to earn it.

Writing on the Rainbow Six Siege reddit, Ubisoft also said it would keep the game's Standard Edition at its current price and would soon announce more details for Starter Edition owners on acquiring more Operators - a key concern among players who bring in friends who then do not have access to all the same content.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-01-26-rainbow-six-siege-players-unhappy-at-timed-event-with-paid-only-cosmetic-packs



Oh my god, so generous!

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PostPosted: Tue, 30th Jan 2018 18:43    Post subject:
Year 3 Season 1 Kickoff and Sneak Peek - Operation Chimera and Outbreak Event
https://rainbow6.ubisoft.com/siege/en-gb/news/detail.aspx?c=tcm:154-318132-16&ct=tcm:154-76770-32


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lool zombie mode incoming Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Feb 2018 18:50    Post subject:
Aliens, not zombies.
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Feb 2018 18:53    Post subject:
nope its a capsule that will have t-virus inside so zomibes dude duuh Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Feb 2018 20:38    Post subject:
well at least the exclusive skins don't look like they give an advantage

looks like bright painted shoot me outfits that make you easier to spot like those cash only sets for operators


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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Feb 2018 12:54    Post subject:
murekz wrote:
nope its a capsule that will have t-virus inside so zomibes dude duuh Very Happy

DEFINITELY aliens


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So, where is Ash? Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Feb 2018 23:47    Post subject:
FREE WEEKEND

Play for free February 15th – 20th
on PS4, Xbox One or PC.
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Feb 2018 07:28    Post subject:
The full games is 99$ Confused
Thats crazy.
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Feb 2018 08:02    Post subject:
The full game is $40. The $99 edition includes the year 1 and year 2 operators already unlocked, and the year 3 pass. Unsure if it already has the base operators unlocked.


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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Feb 2018 09:01    Post subject:




So Rainbow Six is visiting Umbrella Corps?
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PostPosted: Fri, 16th Feb 2018 09:40    Post subject:
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Finka delivers a nanobot shot to each operator before an operation. The nanites are made of zinc with the pharmacological cocktail laced into the nanobot’s construction. When she activates her signal, the nanobots disintegrate with the zinc being treated as a nutrient by the body and facilitating the absorption of the drugs. The operators receive a short boost of health to get them back on their feet, to give them an extra push, and to steady their aim.


https://rainbow6.ubisoft.com/siege/en-us/game-info/operators/finka/story.aspx

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EE-One-D allows Lion to survey hot zones and maintain quarantine protocols on missions. He uses it to detect movement in an area in order to determine if someone is breaking quarantine, curfew, or a perimeter.


https://rainbow6.ubisoft.com/siege/en-us/game-info/operators/lion/story.aspx

And a motion sensor, similar to the detection system of the cameras but automatic.

Both looks interesting, specially the doc on attack


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