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CableMunkeh

Posts: 198

Posted: Tue, 24th Jan 2006 07:53 Post subject:

Hfric wrote:

hello and you are who hmmmmm some SF fan :LOL: ahm any people that are 'average' when they buy a PC or console turns into a pro Very Happy

"bunch of wannabe geeks / pirates ill-informed" Rolling Eyes

and you are who some protection guru Very Happy

Luckily people don't become 'pros' otherwise I'd be out of a job. For msot it's still a case of putting the CD/DVD in the drive and clicking next a few times.

Guru? Nah. Just someone who isn't ranting about a company going about their business because I'm upset they do it too well for me to download the software it's their business to protect Cool

It's easy really. Has Starforce Pro been cracked? Isolated examples yes, the protection itself no because a generic crack is impossible. Are most of the visitors to Nforce people whose knowledge of protection technologies extends no further than knowing what settings to put into Alcohol 120% when running a clone? Yep. Cause they don't really care as they just want to know what's available so they can search Bittorrent sites / Usenet for them.

Anyway what unfounded accusations can we throw at Protection Tech this month? Next month in the Starforce Saga: Starforce 3.7.x made my PC glow green then explode in a thermonuclear implosion levelling a city block.

Oh btw yes I am a Starforce fan, their software does its' job extremely well, it's only right to appreciate quality work, just as I appreciate a quality piece of reversing work in undoing the protections as well Smile

It is certainly possible to crack it, however the barriers to it and time required are just soooo high that you need therapy if you even consider attempting to crack a well protected SF3 game. I have, and look what it did to me *glares @ a certain Protection Tech dev who reads this forum* Very Happy

Hfric

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Posted: Tue, 24th Jan 2006 13:12 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

so you read all those forums to make some protections better hmmm LOLZ crapy job you have reading all those SPAM "I have, and look what it did to me glares @ a certain Protection Tech dev who reads this forum Very Happy"

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CableMunkeh

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Posted: Tue, 24th Jan 2006 16:30 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Don't remember saying I was a developer. I'm nothing to do with the software protection industry at all apart from an interested onlooker. Thanks for confirming what I was saying though, you seem a little upset at me using the phrase "bunch of wannabe geeks / pirates ill-informed" then describe most of what's posted as spam. Go contradict yourself some more dude Lack of appreciation of humour / sarcasm funny as well Stick to the OT area

sage386

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Posted: Tue, 24th Jan 2006 17:16 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

heh http://www.star-force.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=475&view=findpost&p=2314 kind regards alex // cyberware, ucf, ex-sf.

CableMunkeh

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Posted: Tue, 24th Jan 2006 18:28 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

ROFL

bill_the_one

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Posted: Tue, 24th Jan 2006 19:28 Post subject:

sage386 wrote:

heh

http://www.star-force.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=475&view=findpost&p=2314

I'm just wondering if the guy was really serious when he posts his question ? (after all, he was maybe not joking ? )

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Selt

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Posted: Tue, 24th Jan 2006 19:59 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

LOL starforce nightmare is old... u should have told him to unplug his drives in order to play his warezed game protected with the unbeatable infamous "starforce copy protection technology"... this is how starforce support should work

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KrutojPoc

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Posted: Tue, 24th Jan 2006 23:52 Post subject:

sage386 wrote:

heh

http://www.star-force.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=475&view=findpost&p=2314

SUPER-MEGA-TURBO-LOL !!! Laughing

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Banned

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Posted: Wed, 25th Jan 2006 00:20 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

It would be nice to flood their forum asking 'when they're going to release a new SFnightmare' or similar questions like "I play downloaded SCCT, but I dont want to unplug anything anymore, please help". :) http://drpron.blogspot.com

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adaml75

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Posted: Wed, 25th Jan 2006 12:47 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Isnt' this sage386 guy one of the moderators on s-f forum? Heh, funny.

Selt

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Posted: Wed, 25th Jan 2006 12:48 Post subject:

adaml75 wrote:

Isnt' this sage386 guy one of the moderators on s-f forum? Heh, funny.

old story, we know who he is

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s0ulse3ker

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Posted: Wed, 25th Jan 2006 15:29 Post subject:

sage386 wrote:

http://www.star-force.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=475&view=findpost&p=2314

bigboy177

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Posted: Wed, 25th Jan 2006 21:24 Post subject:

Selt wrote:

adaml75 wrote:

Isnt' this sage386 guy one of the moderators on s-f forum? Heh, funny.

old story, we know who he is

We also know who he was... Wink

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TheDuck

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Location: Australia

Posted: Wed, 25th Jan 2006 23:10 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

@Sage386: If StarForce is so confident about its own greatness, why isn't there any $1000++ award for cracking it I know I know... because people would crack it in 10 different ways and you (company) would look stupid.

jaapie18

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Posted: Wed, 25th Jan 2006 23:25 Post subject:

TheDuck wrote:

@Sage386:

If StarForce is so confident about its own greatness, why isn't there any $1000++ award for cracking it Wink

I know I know... because people would crack it in 10 different ways and you (company) would look stupid.

does he really support starforce Sage386

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dr.pat

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Posted: Wed, 25th Jan 2006 23:36 Post subject:

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does he really support starforce Sage386

No .... He works for them Wink

(but we respect him)
99.99% of the scene crackers will work for a software or security company one day

CableMunkeh

Posts: 198

Posted: Thu, 26th Jan 2006 00:57 Post subject:

TheDuck wrote:

@Sage386:

If StarForce is so confident about its own greatness, why isn't there any $1000++ award for cracking it Wink

I know I know... because people would crack it in 10 different ways and you (company) would look stupid.

Meh define cracking though Duck, if you said it were to completely decompile and understand that'd be a bit of a mare.

Apart from that weird marketing I've been told by a SF member of staff they don't and have never considered it uncrackable it's only there to raise the cost in terms of time and skill to the point where no-one can be bothered or it'll last long enough for sales to peak and drop again.

They even advocate a future patch removing the protection all together, or release of an unprotected EXE, which has been done in places.

I can only think that press release didn't go through the techy department before release as it is clearly incorrect and the only uncracked protection is the one no-one has written yet.

CableMunkeh

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Posted: Thu, 26th Jan 2006 00:59 Post subject:

bigboy177 wrote:

Selt wrote:

adaml75 wrote:

Isnt' this sage386 guy one of the moderators on s-f forum? Heh, funny.

old story, we know who he is

We also know who he was... Wink

His signature is a bit of a giveaway Wink

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kind regards alex // cyberware, ucf, sf.

bigboy177

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Posted: Thu, 26th Jan 2006 02:27 Post subject:

CableMunkeh wrote:

bigboy177 wrote:

Selt wrote:

old story, we know who he is

We also know who he was... Wink

His signature is a bit of a giveaway Wink

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kind regards alex // cyberware, ucf, sf.

Yeah, even without that... Wink

He didn't have it, when he first started writing here... and ppl still knew...

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Dzhedaj

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Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006 21:01 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Wow, that's fun. Just started reading about this whole starforce shit... Bought a new pc just before xmas, so not many games have been installed since: hl2, doom3, nfsmw, Q4, PES5 and that's all I think... So today I went to device manager, to check if I don't happen to have any starforce crap in my pc...and guess what - I do... Hmmm, could it have been installed with that piece of shit TOCA race driver 3 demo? Screw you guys. I'm going home.

Selt

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Posted: Fri, 27th Jan 2006 21:12 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

for sure. toca3 demo installed starforce

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Mortibus

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Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006 00:38 Post subject:

CableMunkeh wrote:

TheDuck wrote:

@Sage386:

If StarForce is so confident about its own greatness, why isn't there any $1000++ award for cracking it Wink

I know I know... because people would crack it in 10 different ways and you (company) would look stupid.

sf ass got owned so why don't u represent some place else,some ppl still got enough brains not to buy your crapy software,so your influence is usseles пидар Rolling Eyes

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KrutojPoc

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Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006 03:25 Post subject:

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sf ass got owned so why don't u represent some place else,some ppl still got enough brains not to buy your crapy software,so your influence is usseles пидар Rolling Eyes

Whos ass got owned? I dont see POP3, King Kong, ancient SCCT and many other SF protected games cracked. 4,5 GB clones? Unplugging shit? Oh please...Btw those people "with brains" dont buy games anyway, starforce or not. You maybe hate SF because you like free games, but that just proves SF is the best copy protection on the market today. И не хуй ругаться.

Mortibus

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Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006 05:13 Post subject:

KrutojPoc wrote:

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sf ass got owned so why don't u represent some place else,some ppl still got enough brains not to buy your crapy software,so your influence is usseles пидар Rolling Eyes

clone is enough for me & i don't give a crackus about cracks as long as clone works so it's owned, go back to school
ppl with brains like yours should realize that if nobody will buy games without sf there won't be any soon
тебя ругал?хуй ли ты влезаешь бляха-муха ,займись телом или за отчизну обидно? Very Happy

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KrutojPoc

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Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006 10:11 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

Yes clones are maybe good enough for you and me and many visitors of this site but they are still not good at all for thousands of regular users and the most important thing pirates cant steal developer's money anymore, at least its much more difficult for them now. So its your turn to go to school now to understand the main and basic purpose of every copy protection. SF is really good at protecting software that makes you and many other people pissed off. I like free games too thats why i am here on nforce but i admit SF is doing its job very well. You may hate it its your right it doesnt change anything anyway Выражай мысли конструктивно бля тот чел на которого ты наехал высказал умную мысль достойную внимания если не согласен напиши свою и обоснуй, заявления типа "я умею запускать клоны и мне похуй а ты пидар иди рекламировать старфорс в другое место" не катят. Тут свобода слова бля и все дела ) Кстати меня прикалывает что отечественный продукт так бесит буржуев что они готовы брызгать слюной по этому поводу 24/7 Peace

Selt

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Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006 10:23 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

tages is way harder then staforce, without useless ring0 access and other shit. btw, what's the point in writing in russian when anyone can use babelfish to translate in in english? i don't understand this

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KrutojPoc

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Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006 10:58 Post subject:

Selt wrote:

tages is way harder then staforce, without useless ring0 access and other shit.
btw, what's the point in writing in russian when anyone can use babelfish to translate in in english? i don't understand this Rolling Eyes

Maybe, but once again: whats the main purpose of any copy protection? Pirates sell Fahrenheit and other Tages protected games everywhere here. They just made an installer that automatically installs all the necessary tools like tetrisemu etc so its just 2 clicks to run the copy every n00b can do it. Can you write the tool that automatically unplugs drives from your PC ?

Selt

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Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006 11:49 Post subject:

KrutojPoc wrote:

Selt wrote:

that's a merely scsi blacklist and tages devs are not so arogant to implement it too.
don't worry, start to blacklist all ide drives u'll need that

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highstuff

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Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006 12:01 Post subject:

Selt wrote:

not true tages isn't harder , if Tages uses such an strong quard system like starforce also with vm and ring0drivers then yes but as its now nope. it hasn't been cracked for a while cause for crackers its useless to put time in an pretty time consuming protection that is used for only a couple of games a year. also don't forget the crackers who did cracked the few Tages games out there aren't in the scene anymore, but they might come back some day.

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Hfric

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Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006 14:08 Post subject:	Quick Quote Quote

one question : how many games use TAGES copy protection (if i remeber right they where only three games Beyond goos & Evil and Farenheight and don`t forget ECHO )

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