I kinda hate that Pro and X exist. That creates more confusion and market separation.
There should be no "worse" segment in consoles in that generation. Not to mention that there was no reason why everything can't be 60fps on all consoles. Just 1080p on slim and more 1440p or 4k on pro.
It's not about me not being able to afford a Pro. I choose to get a slim because it was twice cheaper, my monitor is 1080p and (to me more important) silent(it's on my desk next to monitor I play on and makes no sound).
Even though last gen was maybe too long, I still preferred how pure 360 and ps3 were for so many years. Great games, small patches(on 360) and no bullshit. Many new franchises too which we barely see nowadays.
I like the inclusion of screenshots and video clips feature very much though.
Overall, even after finishing some great games on ps4, I still don't feel consoles this gen.
And as for ps4 itself? Touchpad is bullshit, light on controller is bullshit, battery life is bullshit. PSN store speed and lag is just unexplainable. The UI itself is just so weird.
If not for The Last Guardian and Bloodborne being amazing games, I would not much care for it.
edit: in short - maybe it was naive or weird of me to expect just 360/ps3 with 1080p/60fps on all games with at least fxaa/smaa with option to play at higher res/aa at 30fps.
3080, ps5, lg oled
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technology is evolving at a rapid rate.
member when 4k tvs were like 10,000 when first announced? and price drop won't happen for years? that lasted 2 years once it broke into the market.
member when the cheapest bluray player was the ps3 at 599?
that was a slow evolution. bluray players now are like 50 bux.
since ps4... and xo... 4k tvs are cheap... bluray players are cheap...
you have 8k tvs announced now... 10k even... at large prices... but by the time 4k console gaming becomes norm (in 3 years time tops) 8k tvs and 10k tvs will be cheap.
Member when broadcasters were saying 4k content is expensive and nobody will be interested?
that only lasted 2 years. then you had 2 years of cost adjustments... and now you can have 4k content for cheap. Still broadcasts are 720/1080 but thats cause bandwidth issues. Until 265 becomes norm. Though OTA 4k is just the crispest 4k/1080 image you'll ever see. Can't sell OTA
ps pro is a perfect 1080 machine. 4k is just a bonus to show off your brand new decent 300 dollar tv. but play it at 1080 res... and games are smooth as fuck.
same will be with ps5 and then ps5pro
same with xox.
as for all those fancy fxaa features... you can thank microsoft for that. for that parity clause they got. Not sure sony has anything like that. they changed course of their sinking ship with ps4.
Yeah I remember and I am glad it's all moving forward so fast. Ideally we will be getting 4k or more at 60fps or more in the future, which is kinda now on pc.
Fxaa is not the best aa technique but it's free on performance and does great job compared to no aa. Wasn't it first developed in games like god of war 3 on ps3? but it was called something else if I remember... morpological aa? but it was blurry and demanding
also - yes! 265 is amazing. But all of this and I am still not at all interested in 4k aside from downsampling from 4k to 1080p for good "aa".
I never watch TV, never game on TV. I only consume media on smartphone and play at my desk. Pc and ps4 are next to one another, connected to same 25" monitor. and at that size, 1080p is perfectly fine for me. I sit about 50cm away from it and cannot see any issues. Sometimes even the screen seems too big. It's only 25" but I sit so close to it that effectively it's probably bigger than 50" form 2 meters away.
I tried to game on tv few times but never could get a feel for it and get into it. I need it right in my face
And it is AMAZING how cheap those consoles are. Normal new ps4 SLIM is 200$. Seriously, I've paid 300$ for my gtx1060 alone and it's only middle range card.
Pro and X are even better deals considering they do 4k gaming and stuff.
I am just not sure if: Pc's are too expensive or consoles so cheap.
3080, ps5, lg oled
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
Consoles aren't cheap in long run. With X upgrades in 2-3 years, it ends up costing same as PC while giving an inferior performance.
Consoles are fun and easy to use. Well, PC too but I'll give consoles comfort factor; at least for me. If I could hook up PC without messing around with my television set, I wouldn't be getting a console.
The way I see it, every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but vice versa, the bad things don’t always spoil the good things and make them unimportant.
Consoles aren't cheap in long run. With X upgrades in 2-3 years, it ends up costing same as PC while giving an inferior performance.
Consoles are fun and easy to use. Well, PC too but I'll give consoles comfort factor; at least for me. If I could hook up PC without messing around with my television set, I wouldn't be getting a console.
I bought a PS4 just to play Persona 5 and got all last gen consoles and the gen before that (Xbox, PS2, Xbox 360, PS3, Gamecube, Wii, Wii U) but I severely underuse these consoles. If I got more than 50 hours out of any of them, it will be a miracle. I've been thinking why I'm so reluctant to really play games for long periods of time on them and the answer is really not one single thing but many:
- its games are fucking expensive compared to PC
- the controls are limiting in most ways with only racing games really benefiting from them
- games download REALLY slowly
- half the time when I want to play a game, it needs to update which can take 10-20 minutes
- the UIs are slow and annoying to use without a mouse
- game loading is slow as ass compared to on my PC
- I constantly have to think about charging my gamepads because they actually drain pretty quickly
- sitting so far away from the screen, I feel less connected with the games
- no mods - if the game is broken or has flaws, no way to fix
Consoles have their places but they'll never really convince me - they're too unwieldy, too slow and awkward to use. They're like a retarded clumsy brother of a PC - can't do as much, slower in the head, not as good looking and appeals to simpler people.
Consoles aren't cheap in long run. With X upgrades in 2-3 years, it ends up costing same as PC while giving an inferior performance.
Consoles are fun and easy to use. Well, PC too but I'll give consoles comfort factor; at least for me. If I could hook up PC without messing around with my television set, I wouldn't be getting a console.
I bought a PS4 just to play Persona 5 and got all last gen consoles and the gen before that (Xbox, PS2, Xbox 360, PS3, Gamecube, Wii, Wii U) but I severely underuse these consoles. If I got more than 50 hours out of any of them, it will be a miracle. I've been thinking why I'm so reluctant to really play games for long periods of time on them and the answer is really not one single thing but many:
- its games are fucking expensive compared to PC
- the controls are limiting in most ways with only racing games really benefiting from them
- games download REALLY slowly
- half the time when I want to play a game, it needs to update which can take 10-20 minutes
- the UIs are slow and annoying to use without a mouse
- game loading is slow as ass compared to on my PC
- I constantly have to think about charging my gamepads because they actually drain pretty quickly
- sitting so far away from the screen, I feel less connected with the games
- no mods - if the game is broken or has flaws, no way to fix
Consoles have their places but they'll never really convince me - they're too unwieldy, too slow and awkward to use. They're like a retarded clumsy brother of a PC - can't do as much, slower in the head, not as good looking and appeals to simpler people.
- its games are fucking expensive compared to PC -> Expensive? Depending on when and where you buy them, again most games really get half priced after a few months. Hell even digital sales are sometimes really really good..
- the controls are limiting in most ways with only racing games really benefiting from them -> I can agree on a few games, but it depends on the games really and sure everyone has a different opinion about it. But for mainly playing SP games I really have no issue if I would play it with a controller tho.
- games download REALLY slowly -> Or your ISP is really slow or your network setup is crap. I really have no issues with downloading stuff on consoles, PS4 = topspeeds using UTP.
- half the time when I want to play a game, it needs to update which can take 10-20 minutes -> You can play most games without the need to wait..
- the UIs are slow and annoying to use without a mouse -> Again personal opinion, it does work fine to me.
- game loading is slow as ass compared to on my PC -> Sure your console doesn't have the advantage of an SSD but they're hardly longer then average games.
- I constantly have to think about charging my gamepads because they actually drain pretty quickly -> True the PS4 controller drains quite fast, but then I have more then 1 just for that reason, again not everyone has multiple controllers but that's just me.
- sitting so far away from the screen, I feel less connected with the games -> Is that even an argument? I mean it's your choice to sit on the other side of your room lol.
- no mods - if the game is broken or has flaws, no way to fix -> Barely games that are broken imo, but I hardly used mods for most games on PC anyway. But imo I don't really have the need for mods. I barely used mods on PC games anyway.
Well might just be that console gaming isn't for you, but I debunked most of your issues easily, well not the ones which has anything to do with an opinion/taste/feel for it.
A console to me is just to play games on it, I do like to play mostly everything especially exclusives that aren't available on the PC, hence why get one in the first place. Yeah you can do more things on a PC but that's why you got a PC in the first place. I only game on my consoles and the rest that I use on it is either the friendslist, party chat and message app (or the on on my phone).
I really like my PS4 Pro since i know i won't / can't spend weeks of tweaking and modding the game, all i can do with it is: playing the fucking games!!!!
PC modding and tweaking is just as much a curse as it can be a blessing.
Loading patches is slow with wifi (might be fixed on the Pro, dont know), i've only used the Pro with a cable and its fast.
SSD makes games load faster.
Love the controlls, the only time i would prefer a mouse is in first person games but even that is bearable. Getting good at gamepad controlls does take time, it is a skill that takes practice.
Sitting too far away sucks indeed.. i always make sure i can sit close to console games and movies, 1-2m max.
There’s been the odd murmur of dev kits for PlayStation 5 being handed out to developers, and now it appears we might have the first look at some of the PS5 specs for the next generation console.
The main takeaways from the information (which is otherwise behind a professional level subscription that costs $1000) are as follows.
* PS5 will use AMD’s Navi as its base architecture. It does not specifically use Navi though.
* The PS5 CPU will be Zen.
* Large amount of PS5 devkits have apparently gone out (which has been previously reported, but unconfirmed).
* The article’s author suggests 2018 release of PS5 is not out of the question based on the amount of devkits released. Unless Sony have collectively gone insane, that seems highly implausible, An announcement? Maybe.
* PS5 will have VR “goodies” baked in at the Silicon level. That would be a smart move if Sony want to blend PSVR into the PS5 from the start.
Again, this is purely a rumour at this stage, but it’s hard to ignore given previous spec information released by SemiAccurate was proven true.
I actually hope this isn't true - it's too soon bearing in mind the quality and quantity of great PS4 games and the optimisation that's giving such good graphics on this old hardware. If they wait until 2020 then it gives us all a couple more years to enjoy this cycle, and means the power of any PS5 will be that much higher also.
Unlike the equivalent point in the previous gen, I'm not feeling in any rush for new hardware.
Specs sounds very plausible, Zen is going to be fucking awesome in consoles, it will have like 200% bump in IPC vs those old shit jaguar cores found in current PS4 / Xbox systems. Anyway, even tho the PS4 pro CPU is shit, it still delivers graphical fidelity to my 4K TV that my PC cannot, it seems to be always all about how good you are developing games and how good you can use the hardware (im looking at you Sony studios and Naughty Dog).
Im not expecting huge bump in graphics tho with new next-gen consoles, they all are probably targetted for native 4k resolution and 30fps and finally Full HD solid 60fps is available due to good CPU.
So apparently PS4 Pro stocks are very short (at least here in UK); what are chances of new version of PS4 Pro at e3? I haven't upgraded my base PS4 yet, so might jump for it.
2020 seems kinda like too soon but things are slowing down so it must be true. Games look great (god of war, horizon, rdr2). No aliasing, 1080p or more. Good times... anyway:
Is "Rebuild Database" the only thing to do on ps4 to "speed" it up? I don't think there is any clearing cache or any of that stuff like there was on 360, is there?
3080, ps5, lg oled
Sin317-"im 31 years old and still surprised at how much shit comes out of my ass actually ..."
SteamDRM-"Call of Duty is the symbol of the true perfection in every aspect. Call of Duty games are like Mozart's/Beethoven's symphonies"
deadpoetic-"are you new to the cyberspace?"
The gall on microsoft. How about makimg some actual games before shitting out a new console? Also wonder what anti consumer shenanigans they'll try this round.
It seems like they've given up on Xbox One a few years ago. They only real effort they've put into is Forza. Since I am not the biggest racing game fan (I have a few Forzas that I never play, but I stopped buying them) I haven't bought an Xbox one game since 2016 just been gaming on PS4.
I don't buy upgraded consoles that play the same games but if I did I still wouldn't buy an Xbox One X, because again no games.
If they're just going to keep putting all their games on PC they're just going to keep shooting themselves in the foot, won't matter if they make a new console.
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