I want 27", 1440p minimum, but can be up to 4K in resolution.
I want 120Hz minimum. I want IPS.
It doesn't have to be G-Sync or FreeSync or anything like this.
The IMHO best Monitor on paper to date (and since the last 2 years, really) is still the Eizo Foris 2735, BUT BUT BUT!!!!
Availability is a problem and the price is 1000€!!!!
Not that money is an issue, but .... Jesus Chrisp I never paid more than 350€ for a monitor.
(I currently have the Eizo Foris FS2434-bk, it's no-sync, 120Hz, VA-Panel but it's too tiny and 1080p only).
I need realistic recommendations for a viable alternative, because the FS2735 kills it in terms of image quality and gaming ability.
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There are no monitors with polarizers anymore so all ips have bad to horrible ips glow visible from any angle. Some people are more sensitive to it than others. I hate it because it always look as if something was reflecting on a screen.
All 1440p 144hz ips monitors use the same panel with bad backlight bleeding and its a game of chance what You will get. Some get bleed in 1 corner, other in 4 so if You are sensitive to that, be ready to exchange.
4k have better panels. 8bit+frc so nice fake 10bit. Imo 4k is way too small for 27inch. Looks great in games but desktop is very small and scaling options in windows kinda suuuuck.
Va/amva is great. There is lil bit of glow and gamma shift but not as bad as ips. Both va and tn are not crushing dark scenes like ips. This tech have worst ghosting/trailing(very bad) but imo best colors and viewing angles.
Imo: Imo gsync or freesync is amazing and a must. 120+ fps aswell.
1440p is only intermediate res. Everything is going 4k for better or worse.
I am too biased since I hate ips overrated bullshit I take va(ghosting) or tn(gamma shift) flaws over shitty ips any day but monitors are shitty this way. Somehow tv and mobile panels are great.
I got only 25" 1080p monitor recently and cannot see pixels unless I put my face in the screen. This resolution race is stupid only up to about 25-27". Above 1080p might rea;;y not be enough.
What I can see is amazing 240hz and gsync. Holy crap crt days of motion clarity are back At least we got something back from crt days
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It's not. I was thinking the same way. I was all for "normal 60hz display with good image quality(even got and returned good Dell U2417H before getting what I have now). Why waste money" but after trying 240hz, g-sync, ulmb(strobing mode), normal 60hz is now jerky, blurry mess. Very laggy at that. Not that traditional display is bad or anything but I gamed on 60hz lcd monitors for so long, that I totally forgot how awesome my 2001 120hz eizo crt was.
I am the last person to compare stats alone. I ordered monitors. Compared them, returned. Did some real testing. Sure - on a very small scale but still...
Those are not only marketing things but very real benefits. No matter how You call it, g-sync, fuck sync or ultra fuck mode
G-sync is incredible and smooths out the gameplay, lowers lag(when used with rtss 3fps below max limiter) and completely removes tearing. You don't have too keep an eye on framerate anymore. It's smooth no matter if its 50 jumping to 100. I did comparisons when I received the monitor. I bought it through internet store because law in Poland allows for 2 weeks return no questions asked. I wanted to try this high refresh rate, gsync bullshit but just launching it and noticing how smooth mouse was even on desktop changed my mind.
And ulmb is also very very impressive as long as You can keep steady framerate. 120/144hz strobing modes have lower motion blur than 240hz flicker free. I prefer to use 240hz ceiling with g-sync enabled myself for smoothest gameplay since at high hz motion blur is very little but ulmb does make a difference anyway if You can afford steady high hz.
This is the best example of strobing vs traditional lcd. Strobing looks almost as crt. Keep in mind that now monitors can do up to 240hz non strobing and 144hz strobing so even this example is outdated.
edit: ON the other hand - I just got a ps4 slim and finished bloodborne connected to that monitor. It's a locked 30fps game and it played great. So refresh rate/all those functions DO NOT have to be critical. Although... it makes me drool how hood bloodborne would be at 144+hz g-synced. That game even though it's locked to 30fps on ps4, have some bad frame timings.
edit2: Finally, after years of "normal 60hz lcd monitors", the market is moving somewhere. We get better resolution, refresh rate, variable sync, 8 bit panels. What is still lacking is image quality and uniformity. We need oled or mobile/tv quality of image.
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Sure, You could not tell the difference in "static" image quality, since PC monitors image quality have not improved a lot.
But in motion? no problem. For me, there is huge difference when using those features.
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I would not touch these days IPS panels what are used in gaming monitors, they are absolute garbage, so shit quality control (horrible glow and blb). Dont understand why it can be so hard to get good quality panel on small PC screens (bought while ago 65" 4K VA samsung and it has pretty much perfect uniformity). My guess is that only criteria for their gaming panel testing is the overclockability (image quality / uniformity is not important -_-).
@Breezer_
The Eizo Foris FS2735 is not IPS, it's VA, too.
I already own a VA display and one IPS display: The VA display looks better than TN, but the IPS looks even better.
So why not use IPS? Are gaming monitor IPS'es different?
They are just very bad quality IPS panels, shitloads of glow and uniformity issues. Have you tried calibrating your VA display?, my Samsung 34" Ultrawide VA has fantastic colors when calibrated.
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Nice screen, but has also shitloads of uniformity issues, im really starting to suspect that you cannot get high hz panel with good uniformity, high hz has its price and its the image quality.
^Yep it's the same on most curved VA monitors, especially with the Samsung panels. And additionally they often have to fight with response time issues.
The entire gaming VA panel lineup is underperforming imo, especially if you look how strong some TV panels are in comparison. The only VA gaming monitor that hasn't gotten any flak so far is the LG 32GK850G which is using some flat panel part by AUO that so far no other display uses
My old 60hz curved UW VA is pretty much perfect in every regard, but if i compare it to my brothers 100hz curved "Quantum Dot" samsung, it looks like shit in comparison (horrible uniformity).
I cannot play at 60Hz anymore... it's not possible anymore.
And the Foris FS2735 is indeed an IPS, not VA.
BTW I read that the PG279Q uses the same panel as the fs2735. Is that true? And the background bleeding etc issues with that are related to the settings rather than technical shortcomings? Seems to be bullshit imho.
The 27'' 144Hz AHVA monitors use 3 different panels but they are all very similar, with same issues.
It's possible Eizo has better/harsher QC so the chance to get a dud is lower. The borderless panel in the Acer XB271HU seems to have slightly lower amounts of duds as well.
Some amount of blb, glow and some uniformity issues are inherent to all these panels though
Nice screen, but has also shitloads of uniformity issues, im really starting to suspect that you cannot get high hz panel with good uniformity, high hz has its price and its the image quality.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/optix-g27c-curved-gaming-monitor
To be honest, it can't be worse than the two crap monitors I have right now. The color representation looks damn fine, the "narrow" viewing angles seem quite fine and are 100x better than crappy TN pannels and the ability to game at 144hz with 1440p seems quite possible
Same on this review. It's also the 1080p version but most of the issues apply to the 1440p panel as well. These panel are just not that good. As you can see further down in the review these Samsung panels also have a slightly strange subpixel structure that messes with text a bit but it shouldn't be much of a problem for the 1440p version at pixel densities >100ppi.
I'm also considering changing my monitor, but there's lots of terms that I don't understand here and what I DO understand is that even if you afford paying 1k euros for a monitor, doesn't mean it's not flawed .. wtf
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I take va(ghosting) or tn(gamma shift) flaws over shitty ips any day but monitors are shitty this way. Somehow tv and mobile panels are great.
At least we got something back from crt days
