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Supino
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Location: Norway
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| pallebrun wrote: | I'm wrong? Oh excuse me, I didn't know you could be wrong about believes. 
This is how I see Nintendo, take it or leave it, but dont tell me I'm wrong. I never said he was wrong, did I? Even though he is speculating just as I do.
No one knows what Nintendos TRUE intentions are, but I believe that they are what I wrote. Might be wrong, or might be right, but never tell someone they are wrong unless you know for a fact that they are, and this you dont know in this mather.
I find it very easy to admit that I'm wrong, if I'm proven wrong. I have at many times admited that I was wrong about some things on this forum.
I even admited about the camera in my precious Metal gear solid, that the new camera was indeed better, something I said "NO WAY" to before. So give me facts that Nintendos intentions are world domination and I will gladly admit how wrong I was, but untill you do that, be a man and accept my opinion about it, I accept yours.
And of course Nintendo would gladly dominate the world, which company wouldn't? but I belive that it's not their ultimate goal in the gaming business, and not something they work towards. But it is Sonys and Microsofts.
Edit: Man, in MY opinion he is wrong since his believes aren't the same as mine. But when it comes to facts, neither is right, we are both equally wrong or right.
Dont just read the words as they are, use your head supino. :/ |
I should have quoted you when I read the first version of your reply. This is just packed with contradictions.
"Do not tell anyone that theyr believes are wrong! But I can say he is wrong becaus his believes are different then mine" HAHA!!
just slow down. you are making a fool of yourself this time..
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Supino
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Location: Norway
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006 21:49 Post subject: |
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I'm 26 pallebrun.
I just want to point out another contradictions you are makeing here:
First you say:
"Of course they care about money, I'm not an idiot to not understand that, they are a company afterall. But being the world dominator is not their ultimate goal"
Then you say:
"And of course Nintendo would gladly dominate the world, which company wouldn't?"
Do you understand why I'm confused?
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Supino
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Location: Norway
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| Posted: Sun, 22nd Jan 2006 22:10 Post subject: |
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agree with you StarShine. I went out too agressive in this arguement pallebrun, sorry about that..
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jan 2006 02:42 Post subject: |
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IMO, nintendo turning away from the console department and working solely as a game developer for other systems would be one of the best things ever happening.
making great games with lots of innovation just isnt enough for one company to be a
console developer if they dont have adequate 3rd party support, but as a game developer
this would be completely different.
just imagine how many game units nintendo could sell if they concentrated on releasing multi-platform versions of all their new games, and besides they could also develop 3rd party periphery hardware for other consoles, like their revolution controller - same as namco with their lightgun.
so if nintendo really wants to be creative and bring new ideas, they dont have to necessarily bring out a new console, they can do this on other consoles as well.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jan 2006 08:48 Post subject: |
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I understand pallebrun's comments as well but I still think they are a little naive. I think you need a little insight in how modern companies are run. Nintendo have shareholders, these shareholders don't care for games as their goal is to make money and they believe that Nintendo's strategies will make the shares go up and thus generate money for the shareholders. If a board of a company would say "let's skip the money making bit and concentrate on the games" they would be kicked out and replaced with people more interested in making money. Please understand that this is common in all companies.
I'm not denying that Nintendo are pioneers in a lot of ways and they make good games and hardware (generally), but the reason for this is that it makes money. They "focus on the games, rather than the hardware" because they can't afford to use billions of dollars in R&D for a competitor in the same league as PS3 and X360. This is a way of surviving for them in a market where they were once the dominating force but have been pushed down by companies with far more money on their hands.
In closing comment I would say that I'm a Nintendo fan my self and I love they way Nintendo are handling the competition, but don't be fooled into thinking that they aren't in it for the money. This is just the strategy they have chosen.
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jan 2006 15:25 Post subject: |
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Umm, I think you are completley missing the point.
Of course money is important, but world domination is not their goal. A goal is something you work towards, and Nintendo aint working towards that, and they never have in my opinion, like Sony & Microsoft.
If world domination was their main goal, then they wouldn't have screwed Sony in the first place. Going with Sony would have given them a shitload of cash. But instead they stabbed Sony in their back and went their own way, and in return earned less money.
It sounds to me that you seem to think I'm some idiot that dont think money is important for a company, but I assure you, I'm not. 
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Cheez-It
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Location: Rochester, NY
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jan 2006 16:00 Post subject: |
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PALLEBRUN MAN WHAT AN IDIOT!!!!! WTTF11111LOL
jk
I completely see his point (I think)...
Wanting to make money and wanting to make excellent games are NOT the opposite ends of some spectrum.
PS: To go back to one of someone's posts, John Carmack... You do realize ... HE'S A PC PROGRAMMER. Which do you think he is going to "like" more? I found this quite entertaining.
Anyways. I can't wait until all 3 of these are out and we can have more objective comparisons than small fanboy flame wars. Personally I think I'm going to be going with a Revolution and PS3, I see no real reason to go with an xbox360 asides from the need for immediate gratification. Of course this could change, but...
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd Jan 2006 16:18 Post subject: |
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Nintendo didn't go with Sony because of their love for the games, they chose the cartridge format for N64 because they didn't believe in the CD technology for games. At that time, the only games on CD were ones that used the space for FMV, look at MegaCD for example. They complained about the slow reading time compared to cartridge and stated that they didn't need the extra space to make a good game. If Nintendo knew at that time what a success Sony would turn the machine into, they would never had let them go.
If Nintendo had the chance to get world domination, they would take it. They had it in the NES and SNES era but lost it for the reason above.
What is the difference between Sony of today and Nintendo of the 80-90s?
Business 101, a company that stops to have goals of growth, is a company that will surely die. In the end, Nintendo's ultimate goal is world domination, just like Sony and Microsoft. Anything else would be business suicide.
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006 10:39 Post subject: |
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XBox 360 is here now, and there some great games already available...
as a console developer (3D artist) I'm really impressed with the shear amount of stuff you can throw at 360, to the extent that it's very easy to not stress about optimising models, remove back faces and so on, you grow to be quite sloppy infact.
Environments can be very densly populated and a lot of resolutiom can be applied too everthing. The results I've seen so far look really amazing, it's a great time to be around doing this sort of thing for a living, and if Sony come along with something better then great, but for the time being enjoy what's already here! and support the industry... buy your games!
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006 23:50 Post subject: |
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a UK developer in the West Midlands... does it matter?
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Jan 2006 23:56 Post subject: |
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a developer in the UK... anonimity is probably a good thing on this board I'm sure you and many others who contribute to this community would agree
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